Paying to open up for rappers...

[EducatedBrothaFromTheBank]

Now is this realistic though? Like who's really going to be able to sell 40 tickets to a show for an inflated value of what the show is worth. Most of the time when I see artists taking these type of opportunities it's to open for a C-list regional act

usually the show is for a known artist, so its not so far fetched...

but becoming a successful rapper seems like u got a 0.2% chance of succeeding.. so seems like a waste of time

 

[Mac Casper]

Now is this realistic though? Like who's really going to be able to sell 40 tickets to a show for an inflated value of what the show is worth. Most of the time when I see artists taking these type of opportunities it's to open for a C-list regional act

Let me clarify what I mean by this. Snoop Dogg ticket goes for $40 . . who the hell is going to pay $25 to see you open up for Turf Talk?

 

[hustlemania]

Let me clarify what I mean by this. Snoop Dogg ticket goes for $40 . . who the hell is going to pay $25 to see you open up for Turf Talk?

bingo..

these the type of shows, that aint worth worth your time.. be better off getting a college kid in digital media to shoot you a video, and pay for viral promo.. more people are gonna see/hear your product, than there will be at some random ass show someones booking like that..

honestly.. those kind of events are better for DJs.. still, not worth really wasting your time..

 

[Wild self]

LOL is this what the music industry boiled down to?

 

[observe]

Now is this realistic though? Like who's really going to be able to sell 40 tickets to a show for an inflated value of what the show is worth. Most of the time when I see artists taking these type of opportunities it's to open for a C-list regional act

I see it for known artists..I barely check Craigslist but they had one to open up for Slum Village at the New Parish in Oakland..

 

[bangbreh]

I would never pay to perform in a little hole in the wall club. But opening for a major artist is a gold mine of exposure. , I work for an artists organization and over the past year I've learned that exposure is everything. Just think, if you have press there they will write about the opening act. And it's not like back in the day where it was in a newspaper and people would just read over it, now it will be online and when the writer talks about the opening act, even for two lines, his name will be attached with a link that will send readers to their social media. That's press that's worth waaaay more than $200. And it's a networking opportunity backstage.

people who are under age and those who have never promoted/thrown a show will never understand the costs behind it.
paying for a headliner and being the person to "warm up" the crowd is an honor, yet so disrespected.
you don't book cat's to outshine them. you book them to get people in the door and buy drinks and get that door $
you don't sell your cd ( cd

) you give it out for promotion because you opened for _____.

people are stupid as fukk, promoters, fans, kids and whatnot.
you toss them stickers and they're fighting over it in the crowd.




misuse promotion brehs

 

[Firefly]

Everything has a cost. There is no rapper on this board who's team or they themselves have not come out of pocket to be seen.

There are artists who will pretend to be indie all while having their budget spent on doing shows and paying media to type or speak about them.

There is nothing organic that you have seen or are seeing right now.

There is power in being seen. Millions upon millions of dollars are spent on just that. AND there is still no guarantee.Didn't you just hear about Lady Gaga label losing like 25 million in promo because her album FLOPPED.

It's real out here. A lot of these PR companies charge artists like $5,0000 just to get songs or albums to websites for 90 days. AND that still guarantees nothing. Your song may get picked up by a site, but then if no one buys it you just wasted that money.

Bottom line is it takes $ to make $. Relationships come from being visible. You have to pay to play. If you aren't willing to invest and create an opportunity then don't do it. If you don't have faith in your product, don't do it.

A chance meeting can spawn anything. You have to get in the building to have that meeting though. A lot of people will pay something petty like a little $200 a show just to be presented to an audience. You stand a better chance than just sitting home having fun making a bunch of music that you have no way to get to the masses. If you're dope, people will remember you and talk about you.

Any business will tell you that nothing beats Word of Mouth promotion. NOTHING!

 

[Flav]

if the rapper you heard opening up for major artist was good would you still complain or would you want to buy that album or single he just did on stage?

i dont see no problem with it.they are opening acts not the person you came to see anyway.have a drink.laugh a little.get some fresh air wile the opening act does his/her thing.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Why would anyone do this? Why would anyone pay to play a show that they should be getting paid for?

I don't even blame this shyt on artists, but for promoters being greedy to and just tryin to fill a bill and shove wackness down our throats at hip-hop shows.

Some acts I have seen open up for respectable rappers have absolutely been terrible.

I guess this is just another reason why the music industry is dying. This is because artists and musicians have sold their intergrity to the highest bidder and turned their live show and buzz into karaoke.

Probably the most reasonable explanation for some of the wack acts I've seen open up for people.

Personally, I didn't even want to make this thread but this exists and has existed for a while

you got the whole process wrong.... but yes it's bullshyt 7 out of 10 times


now what's supposed to happen..............

cam'ron comes to the city.. you pay a promoter $300 to open.. it's you and 1 other group..

you get 20 tickets.. you sell them at $20 a piece.. you just made back $400...

you get it filmed.. you chop it up with cam'ron footage and put it on worldstar

you get your mixtape, shirts, whatever.... sell them at the show

you've just got some new fans, new video shot, a few extra bucks, and you can put in your press kit that you opening for cam and 1,000 people at club such and such (real rappers have press kits listing their accomplishments)




like I said.. that's what supposed to happen.. and if you ain't getting that deal... THAT'S YOUR FAULT

if you and your team (real rappers ain't alone) can't sell $20 tickets to see cam'ron, when the club is gonna be packed full of people who just paid that..... THAT'S YOUR FAULT

if you paid 1,000 to open for Gutta Gutta in a club that only fits 200... THAT'S YOUR FAULT

if you paid any money to be 1 of 15 opening acts... THAT'S YOUR FAULT





there's good opportunities and there's bad ones.. but they ALL cost


I can get in XXL tomorrow.. it cost... I could be on MTV... it costs... I could open for drake, jay, kanye... it will cost you... 200, 20000, 200000... but it can be done

what you do with the exposure is on you

 

[<<TheStandard>>]

Now is this realistic though? Like who's really going to be able to sell 40 tickets to a show for an inflated value of what the show is worth. Most of the time when I see artists taking these type of opportunities it's to open for a C-list regional act

If you can't sell tickets to your own show you don't need to be in the industry.

40 is a lot to ask for however. You should be able to get at least 10 friends out to support you tho……

But yeah I see this done a lot.

 

[Eastside Get The Money]

You only realised that exposure is everything over the last year no wonder these artists are out here struggling

Obviously exposure is everything. But since I've been working at the talent scouting company I work at and seen the ends and outs it's really opened my eyes.

people who are under age and those who have never promoted/thrown a show will never understand the costs behind it.
paying for a headliner and being the person to "warm up" the crowd is an honor, yet so disrespected.
you don't book cat's to outshine them. you book them to get people in the door and buy drinks and get that door $
you don't sell your cd ( cd

) you give it out for promotion because you opened for _____.

people are stupid as fukk, promoters, fans, kids and whatnot.
you toss them stickers and they're fighting over it in the crowd.




misuse promotion brehs

Why wouldn't you sell your album at a show? That's where people are guaranteed to buy in the heat of the moment at an event. I work for the Red Wings too and if you could only see the product charts and mark up prices. You have people buying t shirts at a 200% mark up with no hesitation because they feel obligated to at an event. Same thing works for a show, if you see an opening act and he's selling an album a drunk concert goer will buy it there more than online or anywhere else.

 

[bangbreh]

i don't work for the red wings breh. but yeah, yeah i get that a drunk show goer will be more likely to buy a cd after a rippin set.
but who the fukk buys cd's anymore ?? that's all i'm saying.

 

[Eastside Get The Money]

i don't work for the red wings breh. but yeah, yeah i get that a drunk show goer will be more likely to buy a cd after a rippin set.
but who the fukk buys cd's anymore ?? that's all i'm saying.

People still buy physicals, especially if it's packaged right. If you see an official merch stand with physical cds with liner notes, jewel cases, credits etc. people are gonna buy. Now if you got a burned disc with sharpie wrapped up in some paper

 

[bangbreh]

you hear what i'm sayin tho...
last album i actually purchased was that first slaughterhouse cd.
i don't give a good wild fukk if they all sign the next one, they ain't gettin no 10-15.
maybe that comes w/age, i'm 32.
and all these youngsters got ipods so they really don't have much use for a cd anyway.
dj's could use the vinyl i suppose but even they would rock serato or some exclusive edits anyway.
the physical form is dying, die hards will buy it, not enough die hards


AND, AND especially-if you're an up and coming rapper, which this thread is about....you're gonna have a cotdamn hard time pushing them units. $10 for a local rapper cd

breh that's a longshot nowadays.

 

[Danie84]

Paying to open up for a rapper doesn't make cents