People Need To Stop Acting Like Lil Wayne Wasnt The Weakest Link Of The Hot Boys
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you stated multiple times that I 'didn't like what wayne brought to the table'. and that's completely false.
I never said that wayne was the weakest member "BECAUSE he was soft". I never stated that as a reason. that's you pulling chit out your @$$ and running with it as usual.
and yes I stated the bolded. because a lot of yall arguing with me were indeed children or still had that mindstate when the hot boy era was going on. some of these dudes arguing me down weren't even around AT ALL. youre not looking at this from the standpoint of hip-hop heads. its like that dude on the old board that thought vanilla ice was running chit because his 1st grade class would get amped to his ninja turtle rap.
and I never said that what wayne brought to the table was a bad thing or anything of that nature. I loved it. but at the same time, I was cognizant enough to realize that his commercial value was inflated because of his cartoonish catchphrases & delivery, as well as his boyish appeal. and for the females, in addition to all that, they loved his looks back then. this was all understood. but I was also cognizant enough to realize that he wasn't on BG's level and that he GENERALLY was the least-heralded amongst the team, slightly behind turk. lets be real, wayne wasn't really taken seriously, and that has nothing to do with him being soft. I just threw the soft chit in there as an exclamation point, and also as a response to somebody in here who was lowering the bar for wayne because of it.
and speaking of rap heads, yes that's what this is all about. im speaking on hip-hop heads. the opinions that matter. not commercial heads, and not commercial heads that think that theyre hip-hop heads. why you would assume that I was basing this off of anybody but actual rap heads is beyond me. do I look like somebody that's gonna hold a discussion about what a bunch of casuals think? cmon dun. this is supposed to be a hip-hop board.[/QUOTE
Again I wuz only stating that u didn't like what lil wayne bought to the table COMPARED to Juve and BG which is what this whole thread is about,that's why you think he wuz the weak link.....you didn't find his cartoonish style as appealing as what the rest of the members bought to the group,no matter how much u liked it you didn't like it as much or Wayne wouldn't be the weakest link....my only point is some people liked his cartoonish delivery equally to what the other members were doing and even liked it more in some cases....you say only women and children would have felt that way during that time.
Personally I'm not sure dudes that considered themselves hiphop heads took any of the hotboys seriously.....I only knew of a few "hiphop heads" back then,and most of them hated anything that wuznt really lyrical or they thought didn't have substance,and that included shyt like the hotboys...and when "bling bling" came out they really hated all them nikkas and that label...and these were teenagers so I can only imagine what the grown and still stubborn hiphop "heads" were sayin at the time.....I don't know if your speaking on behalf of all hiphop heads here as I don't think many people who consider themselves heads took them nikkas serious at all but instead maybe liked them as a guilty pleasure.....I don't htink thy wuz looked at in the same regards as GhettoBoyz,8ball MJG,Outkast to where u can say any one wuz held in lower regards....as I don't think they were seriously regarded by many people to begin with
...outside the south that is
But anyway I've heard this same argument with the likes of Blegit,E40 and how some prefer Blegit becuz 40 is too cartoonish....on the other hand many luv both equally and many prefer 40.....I just don't think bein cartoonish is a barrier if people like how you rap and what you sayin.....if Camron can be taken seriously as the main nikka in dipset I don see why Wayne would only be sumbody women and children could like,he's arguably more cartoonish than Wayne ever wuz in his style and delivery,40 too for that matter.....I just don't think its the barrier u makin it out to be for people who wuz checkin for the hotboyz in the first place.
you stated multiple times that I 'didn't like what wayne brought to the table'. and that's completely false.
I never said that wayne was the weakest member "BECAUSE he was soft". I never stated that as a reason. that's you pulling chit out your @$$ and running with it as usual.
and yes I stated the bolded. because a lot of yall arguing with me were indeed children or still had that mindstate when the hot boy era was going on. some of these dudes arguing me down weren't even around AT ALL. youre not looking at this from the standpoint of hip-hop heads. its like that dude on the old board that thought vanilla ice was running chit because his 1st grade class would get amped to his ninja turtle rap.
and I never said that what wayne brought to the table was a bad thing or anything of that nature. I loved it. but at the same time, I was cognizant enough to realize that his commercial value was inflated because of his cartoonish catchphrases & delivery, as well as his boyish appeal. and for the females, in addition to all that, they loved his looks back then. this was all understood. but I was also cognizant enough to realize that he wasn't on BG's level and that he GENERALLY was the least-heralded amongst the team, slightly behind turk. lets be real, wayne wasn't really taken seriously, and that has nothing to do with him being soft. I just threw the soft chit in there as an exclamation point, and also as a response to somebody in here who was lowering the bar for wayne because of it.
and speaking of rap heads, yes that's what this is all about. im speaking on hip-hop heads. the opinions that matter. not commercial heads, and not commercial heads that think that theyre hip-hop heads. why you would assume that I was basing this off of anybody but actual rap heads is beyond me. do I look like somebody that's gonna hold a discussion about what a bunch of casuals think? cmon dun. this is supposed to be a hip-hop board.[/QUOTE
Again I wuz only stating that u didn't like what lil wayne bought to the table COMPARED to Juve and BG which is what this whole thread is about,that's why you think he wuz the weak link.....you didn't find his cartoonish style as appealing as what the rest of the members bought to the group,no matter how much u liked it you didn't like it as much or Wayne wouldn't be the weakest link....my only point is some people liked his cartoonish delivery equally to what the other members were doing and even liked it more in some cases....you say only women and children would have felt that way during that time.
Personally I'm not sure dudes that considered themselves hiphop heads took any of the hotboys seriously.....I only knew of a few "hiphop heads" back then,and most of them hated anything that wuznt really lyrical or they thought didn't have substance,and that included shyt like the hotboys...and when "bling bling" came out they really hated all them nikkas and that label
But anyway I've heard this same argument with the likes of Blegit,E40 and how some prefer Blegit becuz 40 is too cartoonish....on the other hand many luv both equally and many prefer 40.....I just don't think bein cartoonish is a barrier if people like how you rap and what you sayin.....if Camron can be taken seriously as the main nikka in dipset I don see why Wayne would only be sumbody women and children could like,he's arguably more cartoonish than Wayne ever wuz in his style and delivery,40 too for that matter.....I just don't think its the barrier u makin it out to be for people who wuz checkin for the hotboyz in the first place.
You guys are using two different definitions of hip hop head. Which is why I think Wacky used rap head at first.
This is turning into a long drawn out discussion over a minor point. At first, Juvie was the star. After a year or so, If not more, Wayne took off. Whether Wayne was third or fourth initially is irrelevant.
Anyone remember that article in the Source where they interviewed Wayne on tour and he said he was fukking five women a night? It was probably late 1999? The author noted in the article that Wayne wa the biggest draw on tour at that point.
Nonsense. He's gone weird, now, but he always had a lot of potential, he kept getting better...until he fell of a few albums ago but he had some great tracks in the time where he was taking it seriously and going hard.
Its drawn out cuz it wuz never laid out what the hell we supposed to be arguin about
I think the minor point is that it sounds like basically it could be said some grown men couldn't take Wayne seriously,I don't see why u had to be a rap head to feel that way.....As a grown man now,I really ain't tryna hear no damn Chief Keef or Diggy like that bcuz they are kids and marketed as such,no matter how hard Keefs content may be small doses is all I can manage.....Wayne wuz the only one really marketed as the kid because he actually looked it and sounded it...BG looked 30 and sounded like it....Turk never got the same push period....but me not bein able to take Keef serious is just a personal thing and age discrimination thing on my part.....when dudes would listen to the same content from a older nikka who raps worse than what Wayne wuz doin....and currently people who can't take keef serious will listen to older dudes who rap the same content and just as bad.
It just sounds like age discrimination to me,and I'm guilty of it now and I'm sure other rap fans are the same whether conciously or subconciously just ain't tryna hear dudes marketed as kids
I don't think there's much credibility behind that feeling...and with the actual group he bought the dynamic of the young nikka who just steppped off the porch and was anxious to make a name in the streets....for Hotboyz purposes I think he fit the group perfect and don't see his age as a weakness,as his content wuz forced to be aggresive as his counterparts and sound as gutter when neccesary.
Again I wuz only stating that u didn't like what lil wayne bought to the table COMPARED to Juve and BG which is what this whole thread is about,that's why you think he wuz the weak link.....you didn't find his cartoonish style as appealing as what the rest of the members bought to the group,no matter how much u liked it you didn't like it as much or Wayne wouldn't be the weakest link....my only point is some people liked his cartoonish delivery equally to what the other members were doing and even liked it more in some cases....you say only women and children would have felt that way during that time.
Personally I'm not sure dudes that considered themselves hiphop heads took any of the hotboys seriously.....I only knew of a few "hiphop heads" back then,and most of them hated anything that wuznt really lyrical or they thought didn't have substance,and that included shyt like the hotboys...and when "bling bling" came out they really hated all them nikkas and that label
But anyway I've heard this same argument with the likes of Blegit,E40 and how some prefer Blegit becuz 40 is too cartoonish....on the other hand many luv both equally and many prefer 40.....I just don't think bein cartoonish is a barrier if people like how you rap and what you sayin.....if Camron can be taken seriously as the main nikka in dipset I don see why Wayne would only be sumbody women and children could like,he's arguably more cartoonish than Wayne ever wuz in his style and delivery,40 too for that matter.....I just don't think its the barrier u makin it out to be for people who wuz checkin for the hotboyz in the first place.
1.) I don't know how many times I have to say it, but this thread is not about me or what I think personally. why would you even assume such? lol.
2.) I NEVER SAID that I didn't like what lil wayne brought to the table in comparison to juvi, bg, turk, anybody. I don't even talk like that. I prefer artists to each bring something different to the table. im not the type dude that says "artist A is better than artist B simply because he raps about this or because his style is like that". youre just running with assumptions as usual.
3.) and judging from the rest of this post and your following post, I could see that you have absolutely no idea what im talking about so lets just dead this whole side-convo.
rap head & hip-hop head. same thing. I just typed rap-head for short. I think @StillNotSoft is confusing the term with that of a backpacker, an elitist and underground head or an internet head.
but yo, what do you mean "at first juvi was the star?" juvenile was the star the whole time he was over there. even when he left and came back, he was still the star. wayne didn't become the star until 3 years after the hot boys broke up, and all the rappers at the label at the time were basically just there to ghostwrite.
and that magazine comment is extremely misleading. wayne was never no dam main draw on any of those cash money tours. what he should've said was that wayne got the biggest reactions, and that was because he had the most energy & charisma on stage, as well as the best stage intro out of everybody, where they would make it seem like he missed his flight, then he would run on stage out of nowhere. he was a great performer back in the day. like a completely different person on stage than he is now.
BUT THAT NICCA COULDNT DRAW STICKS BY HIMSELF BACK THEN. main draw my @$$. he couldn't even headline the cash money tours when everybody left and it was just him & the big tymers. even when they did the mini-tours with him & the big tymers, he was curtain-jerking at the club venues while the big tymers were the main attraction with the popular albums. main draw my @$$.
youre not refuting anything that I said homie.
I wasn't taking anything away from wayne.
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1.) I don't know how many times I have to say it, but this thread is not about me or what I think personally. why would you even assume such? lol.
2.) I NEVER SAID that I didn't like what lil wayne brought to the table in comparison to juvi, bg, turk, anybody. I don't even talk like that. I prefer artists to each bring something different to the table. im not the type dude that says "artist A is better than artist B simply because he raps about this or because his style is like that". youre just running with assumptions as usual.
3.) and judging from the rest of this post and your following post, I could see that you have absolutely no idea what im talking about so lets just dead this whole side-convo.
rap head & hip-hop head. same thing. I just typed rap-head for short. I think @StillNotSoft is confusing the term with that of a backpacker, an elitist and underground head or an internet head.
but yo, what do you mean "at first juvi was the star?" juvenile was the star the whole time he was over there. even when he left and came back, he was still the star. wayne didn't become the star until 3 years after the hot boys broke up, and all the rappers at the label at the time were basically just there to ghostwrite.
and that magazine comment is extremely misleading. wayne was never no dam main draw on any of those cash money tours. what he should've said was that wayne got the biggest reactions, and that was because he had the most energy & charisma on stage, as well as the best stage intro out of everybody, where they would make it seem like he missed his flight, then he would run on stage out of nowhere. he was a great performer back in the day. like a completely different person on stage than he is now.
BUT THAT NICCA COULDNT DRAW STICKS BY HIMSELF BACK THEN. main draw my @$$. he couldn't even headline the cash money tours when everybody left and it was just him & the big tymers. even when they did the mini-tours with him & the big tymers, he was curtain-jerking at the club venues while the big tymers were the main attraction with the popular albums. main draw my @$$.
youre not refuting anything that I said homie.
I wasn't taking anything away from wayne.
Yeah - for me "hip hop head" conjures up the stereotypical East Coast backpacker elite.
I wouldn't have been caught dead at a Cash $ show back in the day. So I have no clue about what happened at the concerts and who was the main draw. Your beef is with the writer of the article.
I still maintain this whole thread is silly. Who cares if Wayne was third or fourth initially?
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1.) I don't know how many times I have to say it, but this thread is not about me or what I think personally. why would you even assume such? lol.
2.) I NEVER SAID that I didn't like what lil wayne brought to the table in comparison to juvi, bg, turk, anybody. I don't even talk like that. I prefer artists to each bring something different to the table. im not the type dude that says "artist A is better than artist B simply because he raps about this or because his style is like that". youre just running with assumptions as usual.
3.) and judging from the rest of this post and your following post, I could see that you have absolutely no idea what im talking about so lets just dead this whole side-convo.
rap head & hip-hop head. same thing. I just typed rap-head for short. I think @StillNotSoft is confusing the term with that of a backpacker, an elitist and underground head or an internet head.
but yo, what do you mean "at first juvi was the star?" juvenile was the star the whole time he was over there. even when he left and came back, he was still the star. wayne didn't become the star until 3 years after the hot boys broke up, and all the rappers at the label at the time were basically just there to ghostwrite.
and that magazine comment is extremely misleading. wayne was never no dam main draw on any of those cash money tours. what he should've said was that wayne got the biggest reactions, and that was because he had the most energy & charisma on stage, as well as the best stage intro out of everybody, where they would make it seem like he missed his flight, then he would run on stage out of nowhere. he was a great performer back in the day. like a completely different person on stage than he is now.
BUT THAT NICCA COULDNT DRAW STICKS BY HIMSELF BACK THEN. main draw my @$$. he couldn't even headline the cash money tours when everybody left and it was just him & the big tymers. even when they did the mini-tours with him & the big tymers, he was curtain-jerking at the club venues while the big tymers were the main attraction with the popular albums. main draw my @$$.
youre not refuting anything that I said homie.
I wasn't taking anything away from wayne.
so u made a thread saying "people need to stop acting like lil wayne wuznt the weakest link in the hotboyz" then make an original post that seems to cosign the thread title.....then everytime sumbody inside the thread disagrees and says Wayne wuznt the weakest link you have an argument against them of why there wrong,many which are opinion based.....and we wrong for thinking your arguing YOUR OWN opinion
....that would be a helluva an assumption to assume otheerwise and u hate assumptions.
If I made a thread sayin people need to stop actin like wacky d isnt the worst poster(I don't think this).....and when coli member after member comes in like "fuk outta here Wacky is legit"....and I respond "nah only kids take him seriously"....would u not think that opinion wuz coming from me?I just want u to see where this "confusion" could've happened and maybe I'm the only one who thought this wuz actually YOUR opinion but I doubt it.
2)If this ain't your opinion then we ain't got nothin else to argue about then.
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lol. the quotes in this thread are all screwed up.
thread isn't silly. im just gate-keeping and blocking out revisionist history.
also, wayne wasn't "third or fourth initially". he was at the bottom the ENTIRE TIME.
If I made a thread sayin people need to stop actin like wacky d isnt the worst poster(I don't think this).....and when coli member after member comes in like "fuk outta here Wacky is legit"....and I respond "nah only kids take him seriously"....would u not think that opinion wuz coming from me?I just want u to see where this "confusion" could've happened and maybe I'm the only one who thought this wuz actually YOUR opinion but I doubt it.
2)If this ain't your opinion then we ain't got nothin else to argue about then.
you just don't get the gist of the thread.
just let it go already.
lol. the quotes in this thread are all screwed up.
thread isn't silly. im just gate-keeping and blocking out revisionist history.
also, wayne wasn't "third or fourth initially". he was at the bottom the ENTIRE TIME.
you just don't get the gist of the thread.
just let it go already.
No you right - the thread didn't start off silly. Cats who think Wayne was the man from jump street just don't know what they are talking about. That is revisionist history that should be set straight.
But its turned into whether Wayne was third or fourth. Which is kind of silly.
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That what it mean to me,most people who even give themselves a title of "hiphophead" have they own strict definion of what hiphop is and should sound like and a certain standard to who they will and won't take seriously as hiphop artist...many of which might hate what cash money represented at the time for hiphop.....I don't think any hiphop head would consider themself "elitist" bcuz that's an insult used against them lol
Raphead I thought wuz just sumbody who listened to alotta rap and had no standards of what they would listen too...might bump Nas one day and Shawty Lo the next they like it for different reasons and will listen to anything just about and take it for what it is
....unbias to content or how lyrical sumbody is,if they like it they like it...just difference of definition I guess.I really couldn't understand what hiphop heads wuz really championing the hotboyz back then
cuz if they anything like the ones I know who claim it now they probaly had the 
when I Need A Hot Girl wuz out...so I'm glad he cleared it up sumwhat...
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lol. the quotes in this thread are all screwed up.
thread isn't silly. im just gate-keeping and blocking out revisionist history.
also, wayne wasn't "third or fourth initially". he was at the bottom the ENTIRE TIME.
you just don't get the gist of the thread.
just let it go already.
I get it,you made a thread stating other peoples opinions you didn't actually agree with,but just forgot to tell people that's what you were doing...understood