afterlife2009
Superstar
How can anyone defend capitalism at this point? I might have to make a thread
“But but socialism is bad because employment goes down!”
“But but socialism is bad because employment goes down!”
Pepsi commits to automation, will spend over a billion on severance.
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Prince.Skeletor
Don’t Be Like He-Man
How can anyone defend capitalism at this point? I might have to make a thread
“But but socialism is bad because employment goes down!”
Huh?
Defend capitalism???
What does this have to do with capitalism?
The move to automation can just as much happen under socialism.
Oldschooler
All Star
Because in socialism there's a safety net provided by your government when shyt like that happens. Whereas in capitalism you're out on the street. Does this really need to be explained?
Prince.Skeletor
Don’t Be Like He-Man
That is NOT what I quoted you on.
You are changing your story.
You initially blamed the move to automation on capitalism. I quoted you saying automation can just as much happen under socialism.
Now your reply is not if capitalism causes automation but which system is better once automation occurs.
Either you need to get your thoughts together or you are intentionally moving goalposts.
Wargames
One Of The Last Real Ones To Do It
The Hidden Automation Agenda of the Davos Elite
On the flip I think they are missing the bigger picture. Automation is cool until the unemployed worker burns that fancy new factory down, stops the boss commuting in a limousine and drags him out of it to whup his ass.
The government is slacking, its the job of the government to keep these greedy motherfukkers in check for the benefit of not just workers but civil society in general.
On the flip I think they are missing the bigger picture. Automation is cool until the unemployed worker burns that fancy new factory down, stops the boss commuting in a limousine and drags him out of it to whup his ass.
The government is slacking, its the job of the government to keep these greedy motherfukkers in check for the benefit of not just workers but civil society in general.
And they got a nice tax cut
Perfectson
Banned
How can anyone defend capitalism at this point? I might have to make a thread
“But but socialism is bad because employment goes down!”
If life started with socialism we'd be living in huts right now . Idiots blame capitalism for everything. Once robots take over we won't need UBI...we will only need to bow to our new masters
jwonder
Superstar
Every generation goes through a dramatic change with jobs. The key is to adapt. There we will always be some kind of new job even with automation.
As an Controller, I love it because it makes your job so much easier due to the small margin of error and time efficiency. I think right now it's more of the mundane type of jobs that really take a hit. But a lot of these jobs are not meant to be career jobs, such as cashiers, fast food, etc. I don't know where most of you live, but in South FL you get the worse services. I love strolling up to self check outs to avoid the slow moving cashiers, but more than that the idiot customers that ask dumb questions and act like they never used a credit/debit machine before.
Automation is good and bad. If they do get rid of all these lower level jobs, that's when destruction happening.
As an Controller, I love it because it makes your job so much easier due to the small margin of error and time efficiency. I think right now it's more of the mundane type of jobs that really take a hit. But a lot of these jobs are not meant to be career jobs, such as cashiers, fast food, etc. I don't know where most of you live, but in South FL you get the worse services. I love strolling up to self check outs to avoid the slow moving cashiers, but more than that the idiot customers that ask dumb questions and act like they never used a credit/debit machine before.
Automation is good and bad. If they do get rid of all these lower level jobs, that's when destruction happening.
PoorAndDangerous
Superstar
I'm convinced no one in the USA knows what socialism is due to all the propaganda, socialism is when the government or the people owns the means of production not corporations. Social democracy is what you're referring to
CurrencyChase
Banned
And actually, that's even a statist compromise. Real theory level socialism is the liberation of labor from the state as the state is an arm of capital and capitalism to the dissolution of the state as a controlling entity. It's important to frame that this isn't libertarianism however, because libertarianism is where capital is simply unmoored from the government, not when capital is wholly abolished which is the basis of socialism.
However there's multiple definitions to the state and its role with socialist thought, Anarchists don't support its existence in any way obviously. Leftcoms don't, but recognize the need for the dictatorship of the proletariat during the transition (but still want to smash the state). Demsocs typically do support the existence of the state, since they want to capture its power and try to redirect it for the good of the proletariat. Marxist-Leninists likewise support the existence of the state as part of a long epoch of "socialist construction" building towards post-state communism.
But what most people assume as socialism because we turned the word itself into "never utter it" for damn near 80 years, is actually as you said, social democracy or even with the broadness of it's safety net, social capitalism which is anathema to socialist theory.
I recommend people read Sartre and Engels to get a broad basis of the theory, even if they don't subscribe or choose to subscribe to it simply to broaden their horizons and learn what these things actually incorporate.
ORDER_66
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