prophecypro
Hollywood North
On office hours ? he went in on that
Pete Rock Likes Twitter User-‘Only Nas would make 5 LP w/ The Least Inspired Producer of All Time" Tweet
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On office hours ? he went in on that
TELL ME YA CHEESIN FAM?
I walk around a little edgy already
Some people just want to be seen
If Nas was doing this with Preme... muthafukkas would have still be complaining, talking about "ayo these 2 think it's still 1994
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This is his thing with Hitboy..let em rock
Who waits until the 5th joint to post this nonsense anyway?
If Nas was doing this with Preme... muthafukkas would have still be complaining, talking about "ayo these 2 think it's still 1994
"This is his thing with Hitboy..let em rock
Who waits until the 5th joint to post this nonsense anyway?
I also wanted to say, by ya'lls logic, "American Way" should've been a classic Nas track given Q Tip's chemistry with Nas on "One Love" and "World Is Yours" remix. Also Q Tip is a top tier producer, but "American Way" is a bottom shelf Nas song.
Dr. Dre is widely considered GOAT, but several producers had better tracks on Hip Hop Is Dead. I remember the uproar over Nas working with will.i.am, but will.i.am produced one of the best songs on the album in "Can't Forget About You". L.E.S. and Wyldfyer had three of the best tracks on the album in "Money Over BS", "Black Republicans" and "Hope" (the one that isn't acapella). L.E.S. doesn't even get talked about he's one of the producers Nas has chemistry with and has produced several of Nas's best songs.
So this whole notion of Nas working with GOAT level producers automatically means superior music is a joke.
Dr. Dre is widely considered GOAT, but several producers had better tracks on Hip Hop Is Dead. I remember the uproar over Nas working with will.i.am, but will.i.am produced one of the best songs on the album in "Can't Forget About You". L.E.S. and Wyldfyer had three of the best tracks on the album in "Money Over BS", "Black Republicans" and "Hope" (the one that isn't acapella). L.E.S. doesn't even get talked about he's one of the producers Nas has chemistry with and has produced several of Nas's best songs.
So this whole notion of Nas working with GOAT level producers automatically means superior music is a joke.
Hannibal Fox
Eetwidomayloh
That Extra P thread was eye opening, heads straight shytted on Breaking Atoms like it was nothing. I was reading some of the takes and was like
Then came to the same conclusion that you did.
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The Sauce Apostle
I saw that. They said that shyt with their chest too.That Extra P thread was eye opening, heads straight shytted on Breaking Atoms like it was nothing. I was reading some of the takes and was like
Then came to the same conclusion that you did.
These guys can only imagine Nas and Pete Rock/Alchemist collabs sounding like something from 20 years ago because they don't have any context to draw from if it wasn't on a Nas release. 0 clue about what Pete Rock and Alchemist have accomplished since the last time they featured on a Nas album.
The idea of Alchemist's sound evolving into a something completely different than it was 20 years ago is confusing to them. Like kindergartners when they find out their teachers have full lives when they're not in class and don't just live at the school.
I saw that. They said that shyt with their chest too.
These guys can only imagine Nas and Pete Rock/Alchemist collabs sounding like something from 20 years ago because they don't have any context to draw from if it wasn't on a Nas release. 0 clue about what Pete Rock and Alchemist have accomplished since the last time they featured on a Nas album.
The idea of Alchemist's sound evolving into a something completely different than it was 20 years ago is confusing to them. Like kindergartners when they find out their teachers have full lives when they're not in class and don't just live at the school.
What are they supposed to think? What Pete Rock and Alchemist have done with other artists is completely irrelevant. What they've created with other artists gives no indication of what direction Nas will take them in and vice versa. We've seen this too many times. Back when Alc first started working with Nas, his music with Nas sounded nothing like "We Gon Make It" and that was joint Nas turned down. Classic song, but Nas didn't see it as a fit for him. We still got some crazy records out of the Alchemist sessions though.
Even with Hit Boy, those first collaborations with Nas were abominations (see the unreleased "Black Girl Lost Part 2"). "Royalty" was ok, but they didn't hit a stride until King's Disease.
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The Sauce Apostle
They're supposed to have the capacity to conceptualize what current day Pete Rock and Alchemist could sound like when mixed with current day Nas. Artists are constantly evolving and 20 years have passed since any of them have really locked in together. People want to hear what their new styles sound like when put together. No one is asking to see a retread of their styles from 20 years ago.
It's a really simple concept, and I feel like you have to be completely disingenuous to even imply that work done with one artists doesn't give any indication of what their work would sound like with another artist. Alchemists beats for Nas during their past sessions were really not that different from other beats he was making at that time. He produced way more than We Gon Make It... Why would that be your only point of comparison?
Seriously, this is really, really simple stuff. Just use your brain and try to imagine their current sounds together, ignoring their past work. Can you look at a can of paint, and then imagine what that color could look like on your wall? Can you take two cans of paint and imagine what the colors could look like when mixed together? Then be able to disregard the color your wall is currently painted with, and imagine what it would look like with the new blended color? Children develop conceptual thinking really early on, it shouldn't be too hard for an adult to figure out. Lack of object permanence is obviously an issue here as well, though
They're supposed to have the capacity to conceptualize what current day Pete Rock and Alchemist could sound like when mixed with current day Nas. Artists are constantly evolving and 20 years have passed since any of them have really locked in together. People want to hear what their new styles sound like when put together. No one is asking to see a retread of their styles from 20 years ago.
It's a really simple concept, and I feel like you have to be completely disingenuous to even imply that work done with one artists doesn't give any indication of what their work would sound like with another artist. Alchemists beats for Nas during their past sessions were really not that different from other beats he was making at that time. He produced way more than We Gon Make It... Why would that be your only point of comparison?
Seriously, this is really, really simple stuff. Just use your brain and try to imagine their current sounds together, ignoring their past work. Can you look at a can of paint, and then imagine what that color could look like on your wall? Can you take two cans of paint and imagine what the colors could look like when mixed together? Then be able to disregard the color yiour wall is currently painted with, and imagine what it would look like with the new blended color? Children develop conceptual thinking really early on, it shouldn't be too hard for an adult to figure out. Lack of object permanence is obviously an issue here as well, though
Conceptualizing what somebody's sound will sound like when mixed with another artist is a set up for disappointment. That's a huge reason why people take issue with Nas's beat selection because they see a producer's name and the expectation is that it is going to sound like something said producer did for X,Y, and Z. When it sounds like a Nas song produced by said producer, then it gets called wack because it doesn't sound like it was imagined to sound.
Therefore a prdocuer's work for one artist isn't an indicator for what they might do for another unless theybare just giving making the same beat with minor changes.
I brought up "We Gon Make It" because that beat was presented to Nas, but he passed on it.
Sure I can imagine what two colors of paint will look like on my wall, but it actually turning out like I conceived it is another story.
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The Sauce Apostle
It's not a set up for disappointment. It's a simple thought exercise. There is always a probability that it could be a disappointment, but that's why people keep pointing to Alchemist. He has an incredible track record. We believe the probability that they create something classic together is much greater than if he continued working with Hitboy instead. You may not share that opinion, but that doesn't make it wrong. Regardless if I end up finding it disappointing or not, why would I give a shyt if it gets called wack by someone else. I don't need other peoples opinions to validate my own.
Whether it turns out like you conceived it or not is completely irrelevant. You said that there was nothing to indicate what current Nas and Alchemist may sound like together. There's tons of evidence indicating what it might sound like. They're both dropping multiple albums every year.
OGBobbyJohnson
Veteran
His track record has no bearing on whether he would make better music with Nas than Hit Boy. That is what we're saying is wrong: the assumption that Alchemist would make better music than Nas based on recent work with ither artists. If that were the case, Nas and Hit Boy wouldn't work at all considering Hit created sub par music with Nas for "Black Girl Lost 2" and "Royalty" was ok. His work with other artists sounded nothing like a Nas song.
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The Sauce Apostle
Alright, I don't see any logical reason to assume otherwise, and you're not even trying to give one, but more importantly, as I said:
I think Alchemists ability to fully produce multiple albums every year with quality production means that he would have no problem working with Nas and providing him quality production as well. "We can never guess how anything will turn out ever" is a dumb, pointless outlook to have, in my opinion. I am not going to agree to that, and that's okay. We don't have to agree.
We got a Hit Boy beat and an Alc beat in real time just so yall can compare here, tellin me Nas wont sound fresh on some 2023-2024 Alan shyt foh
spliz
SplizThaDon
So it’s ok for Pete Rock to be completely disrespectful. But a nikka say fukk Pete’s disrespectful hatin ass and it’s a problem? Pete Rock was one of my top 5 producers for years. And that nikka can Eat Up. He a hatin ass grouch and that doesn’t diminish what he’s done in hip hop but it is what it is. I see a few of u hatin ass nikkas using defending Pete Rock to get ur rocks off but that’s all I really gotta say in this thread.
