Peter King: GMs hesitant on mobile QBs

[JLova]

At the end of the day the QB has to put in the work. Rodgers had to re-learn how to play the position when he came into the league...he's not the best by accident.

All I'm saying is when a black QB struggles, you hear the same buzzwords. "commitment" "inability to grasp the offense", "lack of leadership", blah blah bah. It's all the same sh1t. Kaep is struggling, those words are popping up. RG3? Yep. Cam? We've heard it his whole career.

Certain buzzwords for black QBs.

 

[JLova]

You apparently are. But I'll let you cook with your micro thoughts

A simple "yes" would have sufficed.

 

[Trip]

All I'm saying is when a black QB struggles, you hear the same buzzwords. "commitment" "inability to grasp the offense", "lack of leadership", blah blah bah. It's all the same sh1t. Kaep is struggling, those words are popping up. RG3? Yep. Cam? We've heard it his whole career.

Certain buzzwords for black QBs.

Inability to grasp the offense is an universal critique for struggling QB's. Who's questions Kaepernicks commitment? The only one of those 3 that I know had his commitment questionsed was RG3...as his coach came and and said he doesnt put in the time.Kaepernick and Cam are both starting...Rg3 was benched.

 

[Lakers Offseason]

A simple "yes" would have sufficed.

I honestly don't know what the fukk you're talking about breh

First you say the game got rid of the read option
And then go on about how people don't understand how the world works

shyt, do YOU know what the fukk YOU'RE talking about?

 

[JLova]

I honestly don't know what the fukk you're talking about breh

First you say the game got rid of the read option
And then go on about how people don't understand how the world works

shyt, do YOU know what the fukk YOU'RE talking about?

Dumb nikka, the league essentially got rid of the read option because they allowed teams to hit the QB. Couldn't do that before. So teams scaled back on it to avoid getting their QBs killed. That is a big reason why we don't see it as often.

So, when I called you dumb...a simple "yes" as a response would have sufficed instead of that silly ass response you gave instead.

GTFOH

 

[Lakers Offseason]

Dumb nikka, the league essentially got rid of the read option because they allowed teams to hit the QB. Couldn't do that before. So teams scaled back on it to avoid getting their QBs killed. That is a big reason why we don't see it as often.

So, when I called you dumb...a simple "yes" as a response would have sufficed instead of that silly ass response you gave instead.

GTFOH

Eagles run a strictly read option offense. A large portion of the Seahawks offense as well. Andy Reid uses it a lot. They destroyed the Pats predominantly with a read option. So yeah, you don't know what the fukk you're talking about.

The only point I'm getting from your posts is that your feelings are hurt because RG3, Kaep, and Cam get criticized.

Take your skirt off b, every QB gets criticized

 

[NYC Rebel]

I agree. But the scrambling QB's who are super athletic can make up for it...now it seems like defenses and coaches have caught up. Wilson's still a successful runner because defenses respect him as a passer. And sometimes you can easily tell its just a talent issue. Brian Hoyer for example just isnt talented. Alex Smith isnt that talented.

Almost every non future hall of fame quarterbacks style gets "caught up on." Why is it that only "certain mobile" qbs get grouped when it happens to them?

 

[godkiller]

Yeah they suck too! Nobody says they don't. And there are lots of pocket passers who were great in college but couldn't do it in the NFL (Case Keenum, Timmy Chang, Colt Brennan, Kliff Kingsbury). Why? Because they played in systems designed for them to play pitch and catch 50 times a game to wide open guys so they put up silly numbers. Other guys play in pro style systems and do well based on their physical attributes but their mental mastery of the game isn't there (or vice versa - see Chad Pennington who could never quite be elite despite having great QB skills because he had a noodle arm) so they flame. But look at the teams who consistently win and look at their QBs. Of course "pocket passers" don't get criticized for being pocket passers because pocket passers win in the NFL. They get criticized for being dumb, inaccurate, or inconsistent.

And I'm not denying that race matters for a lot of people. I'm sure it does. But I've been watching football for far too long to sit here and say I'd take a "mobile QB" with a high pick if I were the GM of a team, regardless of his race. Show me what he can do when his mobility is taken away, as it undoubtedly will be in the league, and then we'll talk. And my point, which most of y'all are missing, is that most of these guys are unable to show and prove when the mobility is taken away because they have always leaned on it as a crutch. Just like the "big arm cannon" guys have. That's all I'm saying.

Yet another fantastic post from you. I agree 100%. Most QBs labelled "mobile QBs" handicap is their athletic but any QB with a handicap and less-than-stellar pocket skills is liable to fail. This includes big-armed passes that lean on their arms to compensate for poor pocket skill (i.e. Cutler) as much as mobile QBs who defer to their athleticism. Ultimately a QB's pocket saavy and football IQ are what matter. Everything else is complementary.

The only caveat to your post I see is that big-armed pocket passers that use their arm as a crutch get more time to "figure it out" than mobile QBs despite lower overall success throughout. This is the discrepancy many are noting. Why should Cutler get so many years to prove himself while QBs like RG3 are tossed aside in 3? QBs that are labelled "mobile" simply aren't given the same time to improve as other QBs that lean on their crutches to compensate for skill. Now this may be a function of other QBs' special talent, , as a guy like Stafford can use his big arm to wow scouts in a loss where as a mobile guy just looks like a chickenhead if he loses with his special talent. The question remains: does a big-armed QB like Stafford really deserve more time than RG3? If RG3 gets 7 years, could he lead a team to the playoffs? Maybe. But he won't get 7 years like Stafford.

 

[godkiller]

Stafford is still there because he gives his fans enough to proclaim his greatness (stats) and his detractors enough to want to kill him (W-L record) Also, Martin Mayhew's job is tied to Stafford's success.

Stafford has mediocre QB efficiency statistics. If Stafford, like Flacco, wins a Superbowl in year 7 or whatever, can one really say he won the Superbowl because he could read defences coming out of college or because he sat and learned for 7 years? This is the difference between the treatment a mobile QB gets and the treatment a big-armed pocket passer gets. If the former fails the first couple years, he might not have a staring job in the third. On the other hand if the latter fails the first couple years, he'll keep his starting job until year 5 pending he continues throwing deep.

 

[010101]

as long as the offense is tailored to a players strengths they can eat
we see it from high school through college

see in the nfl you play the play book they give you
you are plugged into the offense
the offense is not built around you

they have a prototype QB(manning/brady/rivers/brees etc.)and a pass centric style that they favor in the league
part of this is about protecting the less athletic majorly white qbs IMO

the object is to move the the ball into the end zone
right now they want it done from the pocket through the air but obviously that's not the only way

all in all I gotta say the coaches are the key
when a real a1 coaching staff decides to bring a more balanced offense tailored to the more athletic mobile QB
I think we'd see more success

trying to force everybody to drop 60 yard dimes and shyt is ridiculous
they don't force run plays on manning or brady cause they know that's not in their arsenal(they can't run 4 shyt)
why do they try and force certain players out of their established strengths?¿?¿?¿*

 

[010101]

and I can't remember any black/mobile QB in my lifetime(born in 92)
being on a good team coached by a legit hof coach&staff?¿?¿?¿

//////edit////// wait wait wait I just thought of two russ and kaep(2divisional chips and 1lombardi)

and honestly neither of those guys are the most talented of their breed
they just landed in the best/most nurturing situation for themselves

wonder what would happen if this was the case for the rest of the bunch//////*

 

[JLova]

Almost every non future hall of fame quarterbacks style gets "caught up on." Why is it that only "certain mobile" qbs get grouped when it happens to them?

What's wrong with Cutler, Dalton and Stafford? You will never see that.

The witchunt is in full swing.

 

[JLova]

"He can't read defenses". I only hear this said about black QBs.

How's a 2nd, 3rd year QB supposed to be able to read defenses at a high level and execute? Folk have to chill the fukk out. Cam, Kaep and RG3 seem to not be allowed to have bad games or bad months or a bad year. Their skintone will not allow it. They will always be undermined because a lot of people do not believe blacks are intelligent enough to play the QB position so the 1st time there's a slip up...in they come with their bullsh1t.

 

[Danie84]

But, a mobile qb just dismantled the GOAT QB in the superbowl

 

[Frump]

People saying "but Stafford and other white drop back qbs suck why not talk about them"are missing the point it's more about the system and whether it works then just the qbs being mentioned

The read option qbs coming out of college are so behind the curve in trying to read pro defenses and adjust to the pro passing game so people are wondering if it's worth even drafting these guys high anymore

The classic pro style qb has always worked and produced the best qbs of all time..of course they'll be busts who are classic drop back qbs but that's not the point these articles are about whether or not a certain style is conducive to pro football

But this is the coli so continue to rant in extremes