Peter King: GMs hesitant on mobile QBs
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NYC Rebel
...on the otherside of the pond
Because at the end of the day, we see far less mobile qbs in the league because they're still relatively new as far as being taken in numbers compared to pocket passer. The problem is, where their failure meet the same rates at pocket passers is where your biases come in and only focus on the mobile qb, even when facts are blatantly in your face.
resurrection
By Way of Deception, Thou Shalt Do War
The bottom line is that the primary role of the NFL QB is to deliver the ball, mainly from the pocket, to open receivers. Necessary skills to accomplish this include: understanding the playbook inside and out, reading defenses, quickly going through the progression, being able to see the open guy, making the right decision of where to go with the ball (or to just throw it away or take a sack), and accurately delivering the ball.
There are many places throughout that chain where the play can break down for the QB. Maybe he is good at lots of things but panics in the pocket and/or lacks the proper footwork leading to bad pocket presence (RGIII). Maybe he has a tendency to not see open guys (Ben Roethlisberger). Maybe he is the perfect physical specimen but lacks accuracy or touch (Christian Hackenberg). Maybe he has everything else you look for but regularly makes bad decisions with the ball (Jay Cutler).
The problem with a lot of these mobile QBs being drafted now is not they are "mobile". Mobility in and of itself is never a bad thing. It helps any QB -- AS LONG AS they already have the skills necessary to succeed if you were to take the mobility away. Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, and Andrew Luck are mobile QBs. But they have all the other skills necessary so the mobility just makes them better.
In college, a lot of QBs eat off their mobility but at the same time it masks their deficiencies in the areas necessary to succeed as an NFL QB because the college game is different. But because they were SO successful and SO hyped, teams are afraid to pass on these guys, knowing they lack certain skills, because they don't want to be the team that passed on a future star (even if the possibility is remote).
It may be for others, but to me it's not even a race thing. Johnny Manziel and Tim Tebow are two QBs who would never have been half the players they were in college without their running ability. They got drafted high because of the hype, and then Tebow was exposed. Manziel hasn't been yet, and as much as I love him for elevating my school to new heights, the odds are against him too. I will say he has much better arm talent than he is given credit for and is deadly accurate. But I'm not sure he possesses the decision-making ability required because he is so used to relying on his scrambling and/or throwing it up to Mike Evans.
The NFL game has changed in a lot of ways, but one thing that will probably never happen is "running QBs" who lack pocket passing skills surpassing the guys that do have those skills at an elite level.
There are many places throughout that chain where the play can break down for the QB. Maybe he is good at lots of things but panics in the pocket and/or lacks the proper footwork leading to bad pocket presence (RGIII). Maybe he has a tendency to not see open guys (Ben Roethlisberger). Maybe he is the perfect physical specimen but lacks accuracy or touch (Christian Hackenberg). Maybe he has everything else you look for but regularly makes bad decisions with the ball (Jay Cutler).
The problem with a lot of these mobile QBs being drafted now is not they are "mobile". Mobility in and of itself is never a bad thing. It helps any QB -- AS LONG AS they already have the skills necessary to succeed if you were to take the mobility away. Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, and Andrew Luck are mobile QBs. But they have all the other skills necessary so the mobility just makes them better.
In college, a lot of QBs eat off their mobility but at the same time it masks their deficiencies in the areas necessary to succeed as an NFL QB because the college game is different. But because they were SO successful and SO hyped, teams are afraid to pass on these guys, knowing they lack certain skills, because they don't want to be the team that passed on a future star (even if the possibility is remote).
It may be for others, but to me it's not even a race thing. Johnny Manziel and Tim Tebow are two QBs who would never have been half the players they were in college without their running ability. They got drafted high because of the hype, and then Tebow was exposed. Manziel hasn't been yet, and as much as I love him for elevating my school to new heights, the odds are against him too. I will say he has much better arm talent than he is given credit for and is deadly accurate. But I'm not sure he possesses the decision-making ability required because he is so used to relying on his scrambling and/or throwing it up to Mike Evans.
The NFL game has changed in a lot of ways, but one thing that will probably never happen is "running QBs" who lack pocket passing skills surpassing the guys that do have those skills at an elite level.
A guy whose career high rushing yards in a season is 304?
This is your idea of a mobile qb?
GTFOH.
And on top of that, Elway is by far one of the most over-rated QB's of all time
Aaron Brooks career high in rushing is 358
Aaron Rodgers career high in rushing is 356
NYC Rebel
...on the otherside of the pond
Bottom line is, the bias against mobile qbs is tied to posts like these.
I wonder if you're going to give this link a read before responding
http://www.slate.com/articles/sport..._like_colin_kaepernick_more_injury_prone.html
You make some good points, but mobile QB's aint that new man.
Dudes been scrambling since Fran Tarkenton, if you wanna say black QB's say black QB's.
The point you are omitting is that while plenty of pocket passer types fail too, they also have the great success and legendary status.
Their just isn't that mobile guy who runs often who has been at the top of the game for a long time, so the league will tend to look at pocket guys as the standard for good QBing
resurrection
By Way of Deception, Thou Shalt Do War
At no point in my post did I mention anything about the risk of injury. I'm purely talking about the skills required to play QB in the NFL. That article is all about the risk of injury
You're asking people not to read your shyt though, let's be honest here.
People just posting, aint really got the time to take 15 mins to read the article you think to be gospel.
Maybe drop some quotes from it, or pull some of the facts and you`ll get people to read it and get the info.
FYI, I did read it.
NYC Rebel
...on the otherside of the pond
Yet that's the premise of Kings article we are talking about. You changing his point?
NYC Rebel
...on the otherside of the pond
You didn't read shytZ. You haven't dispelled a single thing in that article.
resurrection
By Way of Deception, Thou Shalt Do War
Yep. I'm making my own points.
Lucky_Lefty
Dreams Are Colder Than Death...
We're legitimately arguing about what it takes to play QB in the nfl when there is a starting QB who hasn't thrown a TD to a WR the entire season and NO ONE is calling for him to be benched