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Eastside Get The Money
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if only this post was as dope as your avi
butwhat about a championship and back to back trips to the trophy game, and being the kings and gatekeepers of the east for years? what other current gm's have that resume currently
Man Joe D is the luckiest GM ever
. Traded away Hill and Stack in their prime and the injury gods blessed him. This nikka was in 2k dynasty mode and that shyt just happened to work out.Only thing he did right was not giving Ben Wallace that 60 mil contract, but leave it to Joey D to bring that nikka back
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I forgot about Daye, Only Joey D would draft someone who plays and looks just like a player we should have gotten rid of a long time ago 
They had a winning streak where they played some of the worst teams in the league. That wasn't a realistic barometer of where the team was. But the fact that Rip was even on that team was one of Joe's major fukkups.
I'm not one of those clamoring for Joe's head, but he's made enough bad decisions in the past for that not to be a ridiculous request. I acknowledge that he had his hands tied during the Karen Davidson ownership stint. She was trying to sell the team and I'm certain he didn't have full autonomy during that period. But it doesn't absolve him from making some pretty much franchise crippling decisions.
He may not have been able to wheel and deal exactly the way he wanted cause he may not have been allowed to add salary to the team with it being on the market, but that didn't mean he had to load the roster with combo guards and undersized pfs. He was giving out extensions like Busta Rhymes guest appearances, and created a clusterfukk of a roster where none of the talent complimented each other.
When he traded Chauncey I was one of the few that didn't hate the trade, but preferred he traded Sheed instead, as both were expiring, and Sheed had clearly mailed it in that season. At that point point he had become the reincarnation of Terry Mills, a pf that only wanted to take shots outside the 3 pt line. Trading Chauncey instead left a major void in the roster, not just from a lockerroom standpoint, but on the court too. Stuckey had noone to mentor him on playing the position, and we see he never developed into anything other than maybe a solid 6th man combo guard because of it.
But even then I wasn't gonna kill him because of that, cause I recognized it was for the capspace. There was nothing wrong with rolling the dice on AI and kicking the tires a lil bit to see if he was worth keeping. The problem is when Joe realized he had a lemon, he took that shyt back and replaced it with 2 lemons in Gordon and Charlie V. And those mistakes were compounded by the earlier extension he gave Rip. That shyt made no sense AT ALL. There were a bunch of bad extensions thrown in there too, like what fan wasn't excited when he gave Max, Bynum, Stuckey, or Jerebko a few extra years to hang around.
Then there's the fact that he's made the organization a revolving door for terrible coaches. Firing Larry Brown I understand. nikka going on job interviews while his team in the championship, gotta go. Hate that Brown was a a$$hole too cause he's what this team needed. Flip was
, just to soft for that group, especially with Sheed. The rest of those hires though, 
. nikka hired his boy Curry, fresh off of a whopping 1 year of coaching experience as an assistant. Then there was that genius, Kuester, who was responsible for that offensive juggernaut of a team, the Cavs His whole offensive philosophy came from him catching an episode of Fresh Prince and he just had the wherewithal to change "Pass it to Will" to "Pass it to Bron". I won't even blame him for Frank, if as the reports have been saying, that was a Gores hire. But the other flameout were more than enough. And you can't blame it on him being handcuffed by ownership either, as other teams have managed to find promising young coaches without breaking the bank. I want really kill Joe for drafting, as I think he's actually pretty solid there. He has more hits than misses, especially when working with late picks. Those who want to site Rodney White and Mateen I think is just being lazy. That was his first or 2nd year and Mateen was a mid teen pick anyway. He managed to get some very solid diamond-in-the-rough picks late in the draft in guys like Okur, Delfino, Afflalo, Prince, and even Singler is looking solid this year. My issue is the fact that he seemed to undervalue some of those guys, and they ended up flourishing elsewhere. Okur he couldn't do anything about, as that was a loophole 2nd rd picks could benefit from that has since been closed. But him giving up Afflalo, he seemed to be coming into his own, for the opportunity to sign Chris Wilcox made no sense to me. And now one of the major holes on the team is a sg that can play some solid defense on the wing. His scored big with Drummond and Monroe, and to a much lesser extent Knight, but it took a while to even get to that point. Picking garbage nikkas like Daye hindered progress (fukking soft bum).
The fact that he didn't realize that it's time to get on some destroy and rebuild shyt until this year really set them back. It's hard as hell to rise from the ashes when you constantly getting picks 8-18 in the draft and you don't already have a franchise player. Joe may have gotten pretty lucky with Drummond, but he might not be here long enough to reap the benefits. It's not preposterous for some fans to want to see him gone. The reality is he been fukking up for the last 5 or 6 years or so.
You joking right? And even if you serious, they a million times better than Austin Daye, who was picked ahead of them both. But I refuse to believe you think Knight is better than them anyway. What about his game would make you even think that?
Who the fukk is Rodney Stuckey? Seriously what has this nikka brought to the table? What has he really done to warrant more than $8 mil a year?
The nikka got lucky in the draft point blank. I can't give a nikka credit for having a consensus top 5 pick fall into his lap for 3 straight years.
And yeah what the fukk is a Lawrence Frank?
LOL, so yeah I guess Detroit will just wait around for Lebron or Chris Paul to sign with the team, you do know there is a salary cap minimum (85% of the cap), when you aren't a big time destination, you have to find ways to fill the cap, hence why he signed Gordon and Charlie V, the market for Rodney Stucky the year before was around 11 million a year, he signed Stuckey for 8 mil and on a tradable contract because of the length. My thing is you wanna get rid of Joe D but what's the reason, he just drafted Drummond, what has he done bad enough to get him fired over the past 3 years. There is a reason David Khan stayed on as long as he did, GMs aren't nearly as easy to find as coaches. You can't fire a GM whose worse move over the past three years was hiring a bad coach. Ernie Grunsfeld is still a GM, Billy King is still a GM.
I think Joe D stays in Detroit. He has made a few mistakes over the years but he has made some excellent decisions for the Pistons organization too. And if Drummond pans out the good will outweigh the bad to me.
I get that there is a minimum and I get that superstars aren't lining up to come to the D. However that doesn't mean you can just fukk up over and over again and it's acceptable.
What's the reason?
The reason is this nikka turned what could have been a dynasty back into a lottery squad with bad decision after bad decision. I give him 0 credit for drafting Drummond. It doesn't take much guile to draft a consensus top 3 talent at the 9 spot. It's not like he found Drummond on some Manu/Parker type shyt. He just got lucky.Exactly what good has he done? Traded away a bad deal that he was responsible for? Took advantage of other teams passing on top talents in the draft?
Just because other GMs are bad doesn't mean I should tolerate Joe D's ineptitude. That's like saying "
Hey other kids parents starve them and burn them with irons, you should be happy that yours feed you garbage and beat you."
eastside313
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Knight cant even make a entry pass to the post and he suppose to be a pg
I know he was on a leash when Karen was in charge because she didn't want to add salary.
As far as he had to spend it, so you spend on a couple of bums that funk the franchise up for years. And you suppose to keep your job after that
Do y'all realize that was 10 years ago when Dumars won a title
eastside313
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What's the pistons record since 2009
Stuckey is a terrible teammate and a cancer. nikka done got into with every coach and refused to go in the game on numerous occasions. That's like if the lions woulda kept Titus young
them nikkas wasn't that old back then. Joe D drafts Darko goes on to get Sheed and gets a ring. no guarantees it plays out the same way if he drafts Melo cause it was either Melo or Darko. none of them other nikkas was gonna be consensus #2 in that draft no matter how good they turned out.
the excuse for not drafting Melo was Prince. but then again this comes from a cat that had like 3 starting shooting guards on the roster at the same time at one point.
cleanface coney
WENT LEGIT
they was old enough to know none of them nikkas was gone last too much longer
like you said we had Tayshaun as the future but that should tell you we was still lookin lol
even if we did wanna draft a project i rather Bosh soft ass get drafted instead of Darko
Melo was my favorite player at the time comin outta college so i just knew we was gone draft him
we had no needs that draft, i think we shoulda took the best player available
Darko was nowhere he did nothing outstanding
in the league for 10 years now and still aint did shyt
what kinda game was these nikkas projecting wit him? lol Dirk? he couldnt shoot
big man? he was soft in the paint
only excuse that might work is Larry Brown not giving him a chance
even then
even then he was a bum cuz Flip came in and sat his ass right back on the bench
he had no skills at all not even a good rebounder for a 7 footer
They had a winning streak where they played some of the worst teams in the league. That wasn't a realistic barometer of where the team was. But the fact that Rip was even on that team was one of Joe's major fukkups.
I'm not one of those clamoring for Joe's head, but he's made enough bad decisions in the past for that not to be a ridiculous request. I acknowledge that he had his hands tied during the Karen Davidson ownership stint. She was trying to sell the team and I'm certain he didn't have full autonomy during that period. But it doesn't absolve him from making some pretty much franchise crippling decisions.
He may not have been able to wheel and deal exactly the way he wanted cause he may not have been allowed to add salary to the team with it being on the market, but that didn't mean he had to load the roster with combo guards and undersized pfs. He was giving out extensions like Busta Rhymes guest appearances, and created a clusterfukk of a roster where none of the talent complimented each other.
When he traded Chauncey I was one of the few that didn't hate the trade, but preferred he traded Sheed instead, as both were expiring, and Sheed had clearly mailed it in that season. At that point point he had become the reincarnation of Terry Mills, a pf that only wanted to take shots outside the 3 pt line. Trading Chauncey instead left a major void in the roster, not just from a lockerroom standpoint, but on the court too. Stuckey had noone to mentor him on playing the position, and we see he never developed into anything other than maybe a solid 6th man combo guard because of it.
But even then I wasn't gonna kill him because of that, cause I recognized it was for the capspace. There was nothing wrong with rolling the dice on AI and kicking the tires a lil bit to see if he was worth keeping. The problem is when Joe realized he had a lemon, he took that shyt back and replaced it with 2 lemons in Gordon and Charlie V. And those mistakes were compounded by the earlier extension he gave Rip. That shyt made no sense AT ALL. There were a bunch of bad extensions thrown in there too, like what fan wasn't excited when he gave Max, Bynum, Stuckey, or Jerebko a few extra years to hang around.
Then there's the fact that he's made the organization a revolving door for terrible coaches. Firing Larry Brown I understand. nikka going on job interviews while his team in the championship, gotta go. Hate that Brown was a a$$hole too cause he's what this team needed. Flip was
I want really kill Joe for drafting, as I think he's actually pretty solid there. He has more hits than misses, especially when working with late picks. Those who want to site Rodney White and Mateen I think is just being lazy. That was his first or 2nd year and Mateen was a mid teen pick anyway. He managed to get some very solid diamond-in-the-rough picks late in the draft in guys like Okur, Delfino, Afflalo, Prince, and even Singler is looking solid this year. My issue is the fact that he seemed to undervalue some of those guys, and they ended up flourishing elsewhere. Okur he couldn't do anything about, as that was a loophole 2nd rd picks could benefit from that has since been closed. But him giving up Afflalo, he seemed to be coming into his own, for the opportunity to sign Chris Wilcox made no sense to me. And now one of the major holes on the team is a sg that can play some solid defense on the wing. His scored big with Drummond and Monroe, and to a much lesser extent Knight, but it took a while to even get to that point. Picking garbage nikkas like Daye hindered progress (fukking soft bum).
The fact that he didn't realize that it's time to get on some destroy and rebuild shyt until this year really set them back. It's hard as hell to rise from the ashes when you constantly getting picks 8-18 in the draft and you don't already have a franchise player. Joe may have gotten pretty lucky with Drummond, but he might not be here long enough to reap the benefits. It's not preposterous for some fans to want to see him gone. The reality is he been fukking up for the last 5 or 6 years or so.
cleanface coney
WENT LEGIT
and this nikka gave up Afflalo
get eem outta here i liked Afllalo
get eem outta here i liked Afllalo
I blame David Robinson & Chad Ford for Darko being a bust. I remember The Admiral was saying that this was going to be Darko's league and we will be living in it. Everybody had Darko going 2nd. And the Pistons probably made the right decision taking Darko over Melo, we don't know how Prince pans out if the Pistons take Melo, plus Melo had beef with Larry Brown during the 04 Olympics, which led to his sophomore slump.