Pitchfork Reviews "Magna Carta....Holy Grail"

[runawayslave]

only critic you should take seriously is the one in the mirror...if u like it/don't like it, nothing anyone will say or write will change your mind

 

[Adam3000]

The album sucks and Pitchfork is the best music review site in the internet. Deal with it

Most of you dismissing them aren't music fans really, you are just Hip Hop Beat fans. Fact is though, no single source for music criticism shoushould be 'accepted' but rather used as a tool to discover stuff for yourself, which Pitchfork is great at

 

[Champion]

Coli nikkas constantly shyts on cacs and hipsters but continue to give them attention.

 

[Gravity]

Nobody's review/rating of the album means a gotdamn thing because the joint hasn't even been out a week yet. These sites are rushing out these "reviews" for the hits, there's no need to take them seriously. There's no way that anybody has fully digested the album in the 3-4 days that's it's been out. I'm catching new shyt with every listen. Too many critics, not enough fans.

 

[ROFL_GUY]

Nobody's review/rating of the album means a gotdamn thing because the joint hasn't even been out a week yet. These sites are rushing out these "reviews" for the hits, there's no need to take them seriously. There's no way that anybody has fully digested the album in the 3-4 days that's it's been out. I'm catching new shyt with every listen. Too many critics, not enough fans.

your such a dumb dikkrider


but that 96% of jay z fans so i guess i ill give you a pass

#dadrap

 

[Lord Beasley]

5.9?

Spoiler

TOM FORD!

 

[ThaRealness]

Nobody's review/rating of the album means a gotdamn thing because the joint hasn't even been out a week yet. These sites are rushing out these "reviews" for the hits, there's no need to take them seriously. There's no way that anybody has fully digested the album in the 3-4 days that's it's been out. I'm catching new shyt with every listen. Too many critics, not enough fans.

The fukk are you on about? This is not one of those albums that has to grow on you.. its very straightforward hip hop

 

[WEKetchum]

The rating was harsh (especially when compared to Yeezus) but the review was spot on...



Him an Beyonce been together for 10 years and he still treats her as nothing more than a status symbol in his music...She's no different than a Hublot or Basquiat to him on his albums...I'm not saying he doesn't love her and they don't have a great complex relationship but he does a poor job expressing that in his music..

Artists like Kanye, Common, Nas, DMX, Pac, Ghost and Eminem are able to do a much better job at this...They paint pictures of love, hate, passion, jealousy and desire...

It's almost like he views his wife the same way us fans do.. Just a piece of hot azz talented arm candy...

He hints at them having issues on "Jay-Z Blue," but in general you're absolutely right

 

[erker]

only critic you should take seriously is the one in the mirror...if u like it/don't like it, nothing anyone will say or write will change your mind

 

[WEKetchum]

The problem is that the people who "know hip-hop" aren't that good as writers.

Absolutely. Sad, but true.

 

[erker]

Magma Farta

 

[WEKetchum]

1. 50% of the review has nothing to do with the album.
The philosophy of the magazine being anti-mainstream, however I'm not surprised that they are mad about the super commercial moves Hov made surrounding this album.

2. Just random stupid things like "Mike Will only getting 1 minute is elitism".
One about a little unknown girl getting 5 minutes. And the other 1 minute song being produced by Timbo and Swizz Beats.

3. Also shytting on the only references that weren't ass?
The Instagram one, the Miley one and Homeland.

4. He seems a bit mad about the whole process of the album, which is specially evident in where he says that Jay-z samples to show people that he is rich enough to sample. But every other rapper, samples cause it's dope music? And for the first 16 albums he sampled cause it made good music? But not this time..

5. No mentions of Jay-z's actual rapping skills, since Jay-z is known and loved for his rapping skills, one could expect to hear a mention or two about it. And no mention of how dope the production was, given the producers that would be something worth mentioning as well. I respect pitchfork, they usually see the bigger picture. They look at lyrics, production and all that. They might be the only magazine to call out dumb-smart "conscious hiphop" and show love to entertainment. Ian Cohen being the boss, I expected a better review.

That was what I found wrong with the review.

As far as the score goes 3 mics I can't be mad at that, I give it 4.. Most people seem to be somewhere in between. Non-hiphop heads leaning towards 3 and hiphop heads leaning towards 4. Allhiphop, HiphopDx gave it 4 mics, Pitchfork and UK-newspapers gave it 3 mics. Vibe and Complex called it dope, Spin called it wack.

Where do you get the "50% of the review isn't about the album" part? To me it seems pretty focused throughout the whole thing. And I think he does talk about his rapping: he says that his references are either tired or don't give context, that the songs rarely go deep, he gives props on how he performs on "Heaven" and "Jay-Z Blue."

He mentioned the production, too. "The money isn't totally wasted, as these are some of the stranger beats Jay's rapped over in some time. ... Jay is at least trying to interact with a hip-hop mainstream that has evolved a great deal."

With the samples, I think his point is that Jay is using really revered, respected, big name samples, but isn't really adding anything special to them. That the samples are just as much of a boast/accessory as the money/cars/clothes he talks about, but that those samples aren't being used to actually enhance songs. Like he said, the samples are status symbols.

I think the review is really on point honestly.

 

[WEKetchum]

So hiphop heads can't be dikkriders now? Hiphop if any genre houses the most dikkriders of all genres after pop.

Where did he mention Jay-z's skills?
Or is skills measured on a scale where the lowest is insubstantial subject of matter to very substantial subject of matter.

And why is it wrong of Jay-z to sample



50% of times Jay doesn't rap about anything "substantial". He's never been one of the dumb-smart conscious rappers. Were Brookyn's Finest, Political As Usual and those joints wack as fukk too? Cause he's not addressing anything "substantial".

Yeah I think the point is that he used really big samples and didn't add anything to them. For example, when he samples "My Downfall" on "Jay Z Blue," that REALLY adds to the song - he's talking about his possible downfall as a father and a husband, and it just enriches the song. But the Smells Like Teen Spirit sample use came across as corny

 

[Gravity]

your such a dumb dikkrider


but that 96% of jay z fans so i guess i ill give you a pass

#dadrap

It's you're you stupid motherfukker.

The fukk are you on about? This is not one of those albums that has to grow on you.. its very straightforward hip hop

If you understand plain English then you should've easily understood what I went "on" about. I dropped my opinion, nobody said that your bytchass had to agree.

 

[Harry B]

Where do you get the "50% of the review isn't about the album" part? To me it seems pretty focused throughout the whole thing. And I think he does talk about his rapping: he says that his references are either tired or don't give context, that the songs rarely go deep, he gives props on how he performs on "Heaven" and "Jay-Z Blue."

He mentioned the production, too. "The money isn't totally wasted, as these are some of the stranger beats Jay's rapped over in some time. ... Jay is at least trying to interact with a hip-hop mainstream that has evolved a great deal."

With the samples, I think his point is that Jay is using really revered, respected, big name samples, but isn't really adding anything special to them. That the samples are just as much of a boast/accessory as the money/cars/clothes he talks about, but that those samples aren't being used to actually enhance songs. Like he said, the samples are status symbols.

I think the review is really on point honestly.

You obviously never read pitchfork reviews if you think this is good.
Instead of talking about flow, wordplay, cohesiveness, delivery on the emcee part and the samples, drums, different producers contribution and on and on.. The shyt Jay-zs fans care about when it comes to Jay-z. He has half a paragraph about art. Who gives a fukk about his opinion on art or Jay-zs opinion for that matter.

The only music he touched was the content he didn't like and the content he liked. And he had 2 words about the production of 4 songs. And also that he referenced a lot of people (def worthy a mention)


What this review tells me is that Jay-z likes to do business, that he's not got any deeper with his subject of matter than he's ever been, jay is winning, we still cant relate to him 17 albums later, the music is average.

Which answers none of my questions regarding if I'm going to buy a hiphop album or not.

It's the equivalent of talking about an RnB album and not taking about the singing (which half of the time is the only thing a singer does on an album).