Pitt QB Kenny Pickett with the 1st ever Fake Slide Rushing TD

[Buggsy Mogues]

It’s simple: when his body is angled diagonally, as he’s on his way to make the slide with a leg on the verge of being tucked in. He was far from putting his body in this position.

Again, this is a bang-bang play, you have to make a split-second decision. What you are saying right now about how his "body is angled" is with the benefit of hindsight. If you see a player beginning to slide, you have to let up as a defender.

 

[BiggWebb79]

This no different than doing a fake spike like Marino did against the Jets, nobody was calling to ban fake spikes.

 

[feelosofer]

You sound like a person who doesnt quite understand what its like to play defense at a high level. You dont decide to lay a hit when the ballcarier is already on you, you have to anticipate.

At that level you have a fraction of a second to make a decision on where and when to hit someone and at what angle. A quarterback on the run leans back bends hes knees and shortens his stride appearing to begin going to the ground, the slide is coming next. Thats when you have to decide when to lay the hit or not. You can't wait until after hes already sliding, or is right on you.This isnt madden when you just press a button to tackle. Its not all reactions, you gotta anticipate. He's giving universal signals of beginning to give one's self up. As a defender youre forced to either back off or risk penalty. Its both unfair to the defender and its incredibly dangerous for QB's who are actually trying to give themselves up.

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And that play could have just as easily went the other way and the QB could have got his block knocked off because when he is in that position he can't shield himself from the blow.

 

[BiggWebb79]

Wrong thread

 

[MenacingMonk]

Again, this is a bang-bang play, you have to make a split-second decision. What you are saying right now about how his "body is angled" is with the benefit of hindsight. If you see a player beginning to slide, you have to let up as a defender.

Because they’re conditioned to back off. Don’t act like a QB hasn’t been tackled while he’s already in that position I described.

A player takes a gamble. That’s how it goes. Doesn’t even have to be a full on tackle. Just run up and grab the QB. A player doesn’t have to spear the mu fukka like he’s Goldberg or hit a shoulder tackle.

 

[NoMayo15]

This no different than doing a fake spike like Marino did against the Jets, nobody was calling to ban fake spikes.

It is 100% different, because a fake spike is 1) not unsportsmanlike, and 2) doesn't cause immediate danger to a player, primarily the QB. With a fake slide, you are indicating that you are surrendering, placing your body in a somewhat vulnerable position, thus any further action from a defender is dangerous and illegal in the confines of the game.

A better comparison would be if one attempted to half signal a fair catch, or a vague gesture that could be interpreted as an attempt to signal fair catch.... only for the returner to run after the catch, claiming only pretending to signal a FC. Again, it's unsportsmanly, because the defense is agreeing not to hit the returner after he makes that gesture and catching the ball, in exchange for the returner agreeing not to try and advance the ball down the field. And it's dangerous because obviously the returner is in a defenseless position when trying to make the catch.

It’s simple: when his body is angled diagonally, as he’s on his way to make the slide with a leg on the verge of being tucked in. He was far from putting his body in this position.

Word? Body angled? Like this?



On his way to make the slide? Leg on the verge of being tucked in?? Like this? Oh, wait, no you say he was FAR from being in that position.





Give me a break breh. Look how close his knee is to the ground. Look how on the verge his right leg is to being tucked in. You are deluded if you don't think this was close to a slide... he just happened to be athletic enough to stay up after getting his knee inches from the ground.

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

Because they’re conditioned to back off. Don’t act like a QB hasn’t been tackled while he’s already in that position I described.

A player takes a gamble. That’s how it goes. Doesn’t even have to be a full on tackle. Just run up and grab the QB. A player doesn’t have to spear the mu fukka like he’s Goldberg or hit a shoulder tackle.

No shyt they're conditioned to back off... BECAUSE if not they will get flagged. That's literally the whole point. What part of this are you having trouble understanding?


The rule in NCAA is a player sliding is considered defenseless and a hit on them is a targeting call. And a slide itself is the END of the play, a college player doesn't need to be "touched" to be considered down like in the NFL. So there's no need to "run up and grab the QB" because the player is down without being touched.

So exactly what the fukk are you even arguing here?

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

If you do this you shouldn't be allowed to slide for the rest of the game.

Same crybaby talk we heard that got the read option shadow banned from the NFL

stop it or don’t stop it. Dudes been fake going out of bounds for 30 years. Same thing applies

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

It is 100% different, because a fake spike is 1) not unsportsmanlike, and 2) doesn't cause immediate danger to a player, primarily the QB. With a fake slide, you are indicating that you are surrendering, placing your body in a somewhat vulnerable position, thus any further action from a defender is dangerous and illegal in the confines of the game.

A better comparison would be if one attempted to half signal a fair catch, or a vague gesture that could be interpreted as an attempt to signal fair catch.... only for the returner to run after the catch, claiming only pretending to signal a FC. Again, it's unsportsmanly, because the defense is agreeing not to hit the returner after he makes that gesture and catching the ball, in exchange for the returner agreeing not to try and advance the ball down the field. And it's dangerous because obviously the returner is in a defenseless position when trying to make the catch.



Word? Body angled? Like this?



On his way to make the slide? Leg on the verge of being tucked in?? Like this? Oh, wait, no you say he was FAR from being in that position.





Give me a break breh. Look how close his knee is to the ground. Look how on the verge his right leg is to being tucked in. You are deluded if you don't think this was close to a slide... he just happened to be athletic enough to stay up after getting his knee inches from the ground.

They have half done fair catches. Even having people who weren’t even fielding the ball do a fair catch, while the real receiver catches and runs for a TD. All this shyt been happening.

 

[MenacingMonk]

It is 100% different, because a fake spike is 1) not unsportsmanlike, and 2) doesn't cause immediate danger to a player, primarily the QB. With a fake slide, you are indicating that you are surrendering, placing your body in a somewhat vulnerable position, thus any further action from a defender is dangerous and illegal in the confines of the game.

A better comparison would be if one attempted to half signal a fair catch, or a vague gesture that could be interpreted as an attempt to signal fair catch.... only for the returner to run after the catch, claiming only pretending to signal a FC. Again, it's unsportsmanly, because the defense is agreeing not to hit the returner after he makes that gesture and catching the ball, in exchange for the returner agreeing not to try and advance the ball down the field. And it's dangerous because obviously the returner is in a defenseless position when trying to make the catch.



Word? Body angled? Like this?



On his way to make the slide? Leg on the verge of being tucked in?? Like this? Oh, wait, no you say he was FAR from being in that position.





Give me a break breh. Look how close his knee is to the ground. Look how on the verge his right leg is to being tucked in. You are deluded if you don't think this was close to a slide... he just happened to be athletic enough to stay up after getting his knee inches from the ground.

Do you know what diagonal means? His body is nowhere near that. The first pic is the only one close to it, but his leg is stretched out like crazy and look at his upper body. It’s only at a 95 degree angle tops.

Y’all making too much of what I’m saying like I really give a damn about it being illegal or not. I’m done arguing over this shyt.

 

[ABlackMan]

No it's not, dumb fukk. If you pump fake, you can still get hit. If you juke, you can still get hit. A slide is the only move a ball carrier can attempt where any contact or collision initiated by a defender will result in a personal foul.

Personally I think the rules are too overprotective towards QBs, but if you're gonna have these rules, you can't allow acts like this. It's unsafe, and unsportsmanlike. Either let the QB get hit like any other player, or treat "pretending to slide" like an actual slide.

Once you run you shouldn’t be allowed the badge of “I’m QB” you’re free roam at that point. Kinda like goalies in soccer. Once they out the box they’re regular field players. They can’t just pick up the ball in the box and carry it to the other goal in the spirit of rugby they gotta play by same rules once they leave box. Expect that to enter American football.

 

[The_Sheff]

They have half done fair catches. Even having people who weren’t even fielding the ball do a fair catch, while the real receiver catches and runs for a TD. All this shyt been happening.

A half fair catch is the fault of the ref. If the receiver gives any indication of a fair catch the play is blown dead once he catches it no matter what he decides to do afterwards.

 

[invincible1914]

So the fake spike should be illegal too ?

no way they can say that’s illegal or make it a rule

It is illegal.

 

[invincible1914]

Again, he wasn’t FULLY COMMITTED to the slide. If he ain’t in in motion with the leg moving forward and other angled back, he’s still running.

You’ve never played organized football in your life.

This no different than doing a fake spike like Marino did against the Jets, nobody was calling to ban fake spikes.

Marino didn’t fake the spike. The defense assumed they were spiking it in that situation. Dolphins lined up in a regular offense and ran a play.

 

[Lord Beasley]

the fact they called it a fake slide is what ppl dont like. shyt looks clean asf at regular speed