Playstation Meeting (PS4 Neo reveal) September 731st

[Rekkapryde]

So basically PS4 pro can upscale to 4k but can't give 1080p at 60 fps? on majority of games. If so that's bullshyt.

Yes it can. The 60fps is up to the developer.

Up to the devs which is not what i wanted to hear

NEO mode is automatically 1080p even for non4k sets.

PS4 Pro: The Ultimate FAQ

 

[GoldenGlove]

ありがとうございました

 

[SNG]

Up to the devs which is not what i wanted to hear

If that's the case I'll wait until it's released and see some benchmark videos before I decided to buy. I'm content with the graphics on the og ps4 and not really to fussy on 4K. I"ll take 1080 stable 60 fps over shinier graphics and still 30 fps.

 

[GoldenGlove]

So basically PS4 pro can upscale to 4k but can't give 1080p at 60 fps? on majority of games. If so that's bullshyt.

Doesn't make any sense.

So to get the most out of the console, you need a 4K TV that does HDR. But for some reason, 1080p 60FPS (which really SHOULD have been how you get the most out of the console considering the vast majority of people still gaming in 1080p) isn't going to be standard.

And somebody chime in, but didn't Sony come out and say that if a game's multiplayer is 30fps on OG PS4, that it will run in 30fps on the pro for parity reasons?



What the fukk is wrong with these dudes????????????????????????????????

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

a few things i've found online regarding upgrading the drive/transferring files


"I still haven't found any information online about whether you can change the hard drive. They are adding the ability to transfer information via ethernet cable from any PS4 to another PS4 if they both have the 4.0 firmware."


"If you look at a picture of the back panel, the lower right side looks like a piece of plastic that can be removed that's about the size of the HDD. Where all the Dolby and other legal fine print is."

"Hey guys, I was wondering the same thing so I tweeted PlayStation and they got back to me confirming that you could. I have asked them sizes etc. but nothing yet. I will keep you posted."





"Hi peps said I keep you posted....I have been on the case to twitter.....The internal harddrive is replaceable. The physical size of the internal hard drive has not changed so it means anything that fits in your existing ps4 will fit in the pro and slim and visversa, meaning people who have a 2tb in there standard ps4 can put it in the pro and the pro's 1tb in your standard ps4. Even though pro is more powerful and probably easily able to handle more harddrive data, unfortunately Sony tells me that it still has a maximum of 2tb internal storage.

After getting all this info, I then asked if the 3rd usb was for external hard drive or more vr in mind, all they said was " the 3rd usb could potentially be used for more memory". I think this means at the moment no, but once release is out there and they have ironed out s one bugs, it's something they want to add. When talking about pro to them, they couldn't stress more about the unison of the standard, slim and the pro ps4s. Which if they do make externa hddl compatibility on one of the ps4's good chance the other 2 won't be far behind.

Just keep in mind consoles work differently to a pc, SSD helps pc a lot, but not that much in a console, yes your game load time are about 15 seconds faster but that's about it. I put a sata 3 seggate 7200rpm 1tb in to my standard ps4 and it was glitchy so bad that it would crash and wipe my data, this happened to me 3 times, so spent some and put the sata 2 samsung spin point T9 5400rpm and works like a dream better than the original 500gb hdd. I know people that have had the same problem, and when they slowed the hdd down the system worked a lot better.

My point is that faster hard drives are great in computers but when put in the consoles it tends to over limit them, Sony chose these slower hdd for there consoles for a reason and probably had access to faster hard drives during development , remember they had 4 or 5 years to work all this stuff out. Sometimes it helps to listen to them.

Hope this helps"





Can you change the hard drive in the PS4 Pro? - PlayStation 4 - Giant Bomb

 

[daze23]

Doesn't make any sense.

So to get the most out of the console, you need a 4K TV that does HDR. But for some reason, 1080p 60FPS (which really SHOULD have been how you get the most out of the console considering the vast majority of people still gaming in 1080p) isn't going to be standard.

And somebody chime in, but didn't Sony come out and say that if a game's multiplayer is 30fps on OG PS4, that it will run in 30fps on the pro for parity reasons?



What the fukk is wrong with these dudes????????????????????????????????

I'm not sure if the multiplayer thing is true

Q: Will PS4 Pro owners have a performance advantage in online games when competing against standard PS4 players?

Generally, no. Playtesting and balancing is up to each game developer, and while it’s true that PS4 Pro’s more powerful hardware can drive smoother or more stable frame rates in supported titles, developers have many tools and processes they can use to prevent imbalances.

sounds like it's up to the devs

 

[SupaHotIce]

You really think so?
On my first day as your poster of the year I promise to make sure any poster that makes you get "unhinged" over an official thread ever again will be dealt with swiftly and mercilessly.

 

[DPresidential]

HOW MUCH HOUSE!!!!

$400!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At least they got the price right.

The price is excellent, only £90 difference between the Slim and the Pro. The slim is redundant.

To many Broke bums in the crowd gaming on 20 inch monitors.

This premium hardware for Elites. So many casuals in the crowd actin sweet.

4.2 TFLOPS. Y'all crushed.

This is literally the same arguments but flipped sides. $400 was being praised by brehs who already had a PS4. They were able to justify it only because it was Sony - not trying to knock yall but X1 brehs are in the same boat w/ a system that should be worth $500 if one year ago yall thought this was worth $400

Not even trying to come at yall but nikkas flip on some good burger shyt crazy when it comes to the shyt that they stan.

I get it...but then again, I don't.

This was probably the most insightful comment here...

The console isn't going to have a very basic feature.
Listen to what you just said. A $400 PS4Pro is going to require you to buy an additional piece of hardware to play a format that Sony has the monopoly on.
Whats weird to me is during the XBOX One launch, MS was trying to go the all digital route and EVERYONE, especially on here, was giving them hell about it, under the banner that physical media is better. It was a major bragging point for Sony and Sony stans that their console was going to be physical media based, and the backlash was so bad that MS had to back pedal like mad and re-launch their console before it even launched.
Now fast forward to today and you are embracing the HELL out of digital culture. Why? Because Sony gave you absolutely no choice. I stick with my initial reaction. You guys may try to gloss over it, but the omission of a blu ray drive is a much bigger L than you're making it out to be, and for easily the next 5 years PS4Pro is going to be handicapped. If anything, I wish that the backlash on this would make Sony wake up and through a 4K blu ray drive in there quick before it launches. That or, 2 - 3 years from now they launch a PS4 Elite, that includes 4 more frames per second, a bigger light bar, and a 4K blu ray player.
Edit: I never made ANY claims that PS4Pro gaming will be "unplayable". ME, I don't put that much stock into graphics, why? Because I don't have a gaming PC. If it was THAT important to me I would get one. Money isn't even an issue as far as that's concerned. But Sony stans spent the majority of their time bickering over FPS and native vs upscaled resolutions and now the tables have turned. I'll be as clear as possible and say what I've said from the beginning even with PS4 and XB1. Both consoles are going to be GREAT, with GREAT graphics and features. In the end the experiences will be nearly identical, but some of your arguments are starting to look funny in the light now that the shoe is on the other foot.

Another major point Sony stans need to swallow is the fact that Sony will not be releasing another console for at least another 5 years. You can claim you don't care about 4K blu Rays all you want today, but 5 years is a long time (an eternity in the tech world) to go without something the rest of the modern world will be actively using. I've heard some crazy stuff since the announcement that ps4pro won't have 4K blu Ray. Now all of a sudden people don't even watch movies anymore. "Netflix is all I need."
Really, so while Xbots are watching the latest movies in 4K you'll be watching the same 4 Netflix original series over and over for 5 years straight. But y'all don't care about movies anymore now so it's a non issue. You only care about high quality visuals? Well that argument leads to a dead end too when the Ps4 pro takes a back seat to Scorpio visuals in a year. In my eyes, the hope Sony stans need to have is that the Scorpio will drop at $600 and price itself out of the market. All this exclusive game talk is silly when the majority of games actually being played are multiplats. I love my PS4, but not to point of being blindly loyal to the piece of plastic. If anything, but both consoles and be happy. Technology goes in cycles. Ps1 and PS2 dominated. Ps3 had a rocky launch cause of price but still got busy in the long run. Ps4 dominated. Ps4 pro may very like take a back seat for a couple of years. Overall Sony sales will be dominating, but this isn't a marketing forum, it's a gaming forum. Which brings me to the next point, graphics are not everything, and come 2017 when the Scorpio drops, every Sony Stan is going to be saying the same thing. "What good are graphics if you have no games". All that arguing about P's and FPS' has come back to bite you in the butt.

But a year later...nikkas still don't get this.

 

[Rekkapryde]

This is literally the same arguments but flipped sides.

Not even trying to come at yall but nikkas flip on some good burger shyt crazy when it comes to the shyt that they stan.

I get it...but then again, I don't.

This was probably the most insightful comment here...




But a year later...nikkas still don't get this.

its 4 years later after this gen has already been decided. If you gonna release a premium mid gen upgrade, you gotta give them a reason to ditch their current one to upgrade. The PS Pro isn't even doing that sales wise so to expect the X1X to do the same is even crazier. The vast majority of those with consoles are cool with what they already have.

 

[Mowgli]

This is literally the same arguments but flipped sides. $400 was being praised by brehs who already had a PS4. They were able to justify it only because it was Sony - not trying to knock yall but X1 brehs are in the same boat w/ a system that should be worth $500 if one year ago yall thought this was worth $400

Not even trying to come at yall but nikkas flip on some good burger shyt crazy when it comes to the shyt that they stan.

I get it...but then again, I don't.

This was probably the most insightful comment here...




But a year later...nikkas still don't get this.

Look ibe made my bed with sony. I have hundreds of ps4 games and hundreds of friends . I'm not buying another console for negligible differences in some multiplats with zero exclusives I give a shyt about

 

[DPresidential]

its 4 years later after this gen has already been decided. If you gonna release a premium mid gen upgrade, you gotta give them a reason to ditch their current one to upgrade. The PS Pro isn't even doing that sales wise so to expect the X1X to do the same is even crazier. The vast majority of those with consoles are cool with what they already have.

I understand, breh.

The thing is, PS4 owners, who had no 4k capability seemed to believe the PS4 pro upgrade at $400 was worth it.

If that's the case, why, a year later, would any X1 owner who does not own an X1S not be making the right decision when it comes to the XiX?

You make a good point today, Rekka, but you realize your current self would be arguing brutally against your sept. 2016 self who, even after seeing the specs, believed the $400 price tag was not only satisfactory but seemed like a steal?

What are your thoughts on that, breh?

 

[DPresidential]

Look ibe made my bed with sony. I have hundreds of ps4 games and hundreds of friends . I'm not buying another console for negligible differences in some multiplats with zero exclusives I give a shyt about

Now, THIS is a great point. I'm not mad at that.

And nikka... I'm not a Xbova Witness, I'm not selling you the XIX. However, it seems X1 nikkas ARE enjoying their console regardless if your grass is greener and since they have hundreds of X1 games and hundreds of friends, they are just as justified as Sept '16 Mowgli when they show enthusiasm about the XiX.

 

[Leasy]

This is literally the same arguments but flipped sides. $400 was being praised by brehs who already had a PS4. They were able to justify it only because it was Sony - not trying to knock yall but X1 brehs are in the same boat w/ a system that should be worth $500 if one year ago yall thought this was worth $400

Not even trying to come at yall but nikkas flip on some good burger shyt crazy when it comes to the shyt that they stan.

I get it...but then again, I don't.

This was probably the most insightful comment here...




But a year later...nikkas still don't get this.

Wait Papi wrote all that shout out to Luis @Kamikaze Revy

 

[Fatboi1]

 

[Mowgli]

Now, THIS is a great point. I'm not mad at that.

And nikka... I'm not a Xbova Witness, I'm not selling you the XIX. However, it seems X1 nikkas ARE enjoying their console regardless if your grass is greener and since they have hundreds of X1 games and hundreds of friends, they are just as justified as Sept '16 Mowgli when they show enthusiasm about the XiX.

I don't care if they're happy. I've stayed that its a solid console if u don't have a console or already have an Xbox but because so many people already have Xboxes, nintendos, playstation and playstation pros this shyt is coming late and will be a TOTAL DISASTER