Please help me understand why socialism is a bad thing.
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These dudes never met an ideology they claimed to master yet couldn't shift whenever it got too hot for themThe faux objectivity is killing me. Then crawling back to #lowerlearning excuse because you are afraid to admit there are valid points against the ideal you hold so dear.
But heck it seems socialism is so perfect there is no reasonable counter points for it
They don't understand that you can fully and totally comprehend, appreciate, and acknowledge their point of view...and absolutely disagree with them.
You figure out if translated documents are primary sources yet champ?
It requires human beings completely devoid of basic human nature for it to work.
When we find such human beings, I'll be the number 1 champion of socialism... until then
you figure out if the USSR was really a misunderstood step-chid, breh?
Don't forget...dudes like @Darth Humanist and @JahFocus CS block you if they can't handle your dissent
Fillerguy
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Its 2016 and folks still using socialism and communism interchangeably. A straight socialist economy would fail just as hard as a straight capitalism government would.
Tell me a country the size and diversity in population of America that has been successful with socialism?
l'll give you one. America.
@wire28
The ones that start with good faith analysis of economic problems under state socialist economies. Not the ones that start with "poor people can't complain about not owning stuff because they don't know what owning stuff is like"
I'm waiting on master historian nap to school me. How fast can you google me up an article WOAT?
The ones that start with good faith analysis of economic problems under state socialist economies. Not the ones that start with "poor people can't complain about not owning stuff because they don't know what owning stuff is like"
I'm waiting on master historian nap to school me. How fast can you google me up an article WOAT?
I will give you an answer as to which specific model of socialism I am most favourable to once you have watched this video
And read this:
What is “market socialism”? Can markets and socialism coexist? | Professor Richard D. Wolff
Also @wire28
I will give you an answer as to which specific model of socialism I am most favourable to once you have watched this video
And read this:
What is “market socialism”? Can markets and socialism coexist? | Professor Richard D. Wolff
Also @wire28
Dude I'm not going to watch a 30 minute video to have the discussion. I don't think there should prerequisites to have a discussion on a forum. So if you don't want to answer it that's fine. Maybe I'll check it out over the weekend.
However I did read your link and to meet you half way , I'll reference maybe a more brief description of the difference of socialism and communism from somewhere I think we might both find somewhere reputable.
Comparing Economic Systems [ushistory.org]
Is this definition agreeable at least in the broad sense? The only place my posts may be off the mark is not emphasizing the the people ownership of enterprise and production directly as much as the people utilizing the state as a representation of a collection of the people and therefore the people having indirect ownership of enterprise. This is what I was looking for you to make a distinction of where you fall. As you and I also stated, socialism has many schools of thoughts so unless you specify where you're coming from most people are going to assume the most general definition when you mention it.
So I read your link and we put this together with the slight difference between communism as far as its economic policies and socialism and it seems you fall where private enterprises are equally owned by the employees whilegoods are still put into a market economy.
So a few questions. Would you require in your ideal society that the requirement to start a private enterprise that it would have to be similar to a worker's cooperative and say the founders of said company would be legally forbidden from taking a top down approach to pay for work? I personally see no issue with this in individual cases. Again here in the United States a good example of this is the fat tire brewery (I'm sure there are more but that is the main one I'm familiar with) however this was at the doing of the founders own desire not through mandated. Are you for encouraging people to follow this paradigm or would you make it required?
@Darth Humanist you said
Then went on to change the definition throughout the thread so the willful ignorance should be expected, that is unless you define ignorance as anyone that disagrees with you.
I'll wait for actual discussion then instead of #lowerlearning, amongst other things, all because people disagree with you.
Then went on to change the definition throughout the thread so the willful ignorance should be expected, that is unless you define ignorance as anyone that disagrees with you.
so every other response.
I'll wait for actual discussion then instead of #lowerlearning, amongst other things, all because people disagree with you.