Please help me understand why socialism is a bad thing.
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so every other response.
I'll wait for actual discussion then instead of #lowerlearning, amongst other things, all because people disagree with you.
I'm not obligated to defend socialism every time it's critiqued on here. But find me some of those critiques in here and I might respond.
Haven't ever used #lowerlearning iirc either but ok
LV Koopa
Jester from Hell
It isn't "bad". America has plenty of socialist policies and institutions holding it up. Problem is implementation when you try to decide who gets to run the country. Culture is a big deal and it won't be accepted by every country.
El Cocodrilo
Superstar
So many Americans living in a fantasy land where all of them are gonna be billionaires next week so we better make sure that rich people aren't suffering.
This is the biggest reason so many Americans see socialism as a bad word. Propaganda that has made them into house slaves, they are protecting their masters' interests instead of their own interests.
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if you have a legit intellectual reason for why you are anti-socialism, this doesn't apply to you.
This is the biggest reason so many Americans see socialism as a bad word. Propaganda that has made them into house slaves, they are protecting their masters' interests instead of their own interests.
Now
if you have a legit intellectual reason for why you are anti-socialism, this doesn't apply to you.
LV Koopa
Jester from Hell
So many Americans living in a fantasy land where all of them are gonna be billionaires next week so we better make sure that rich people aren't suffering.
This is the biggest reason so many Americans see socialism as a bad word. Propaganda that has made them into house slaves, they are protecting their masters' interests instead of their own interests.
Now
Bingo. Many Americans don't want to implement anything that would redistribute wealth because they see themselves as the "future 1%", and would do things to protect that path because they might make it. Irrational behavior but funny at the same time. Those at the top keep selling them the dream and using them to protect the status quo.
The thing is that not everyone who has a desire to make more wealth have a desire to necessarily be at the top of the 1%. How about the top 25% which puts you at 85k and above.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...ousehold_Income_in_the_United_States_2010.png
This is not an absurd goal.
I think the fear is that you don't necessarily have to be some archetypical fat cat with a cigar and using 100s as a light for your wealth to be redistributed. I'm not against it to some extent (we already do it with taxes obviously) but I think most people who are for furthering socialist policies to much more radical degrees would likely want to expand that much further past the 1%.
Though again, I guess we have to make the distinction as to what type of socialism we're referencing here..
David_TheMan
Banned
How is it ever favorable to have a system where a group with the most guns (government) is allowed to tell people how to manage their own affairs and affairs with others?
at "Obama's" socialism. fukk outta here. This country has alway had "socialist" policies. Democracy my ass.
And PLENTY of rich mufukkaz haven't worked hard.
While I don't agree totally with socialism, I think we have the right balance here of it. Mufukkaz quick to say get rid of government assistance, but it's all good till whites get fukked over which is who benefit the most by our existing "socialist" policies.
This whole Obama = Communist nonsense is some coded racist shyt. That professor can eat a dikk.
It requires human beings completely devoid of basic human nature for it to work.
When we find such human beings, I'll be the number 1 champion of socialism... until then
Expound.
The only program I think should be redone with more "socialist" leanings in this country is health care. Right now, my main gripe is for entrepreneurs and freelancers. If you make over 30k a year, but you don't work for an employer you're fukked in the "Obamacare" system. The plans are ultra expensive with high deductibles to boot. We claim we're a country that promotes innovators and small business, but when it comes to health care they're screwed. I also think there should be some type of incentive for staying in shape. I don't know how it would be done without causing an uproar though.
Our public school system is already "socialized" and the results are terrible. We throw more money per kid than any other country besides Switzerland and one or two other countries. Yet our results are poor. The cause of this is the bloated administrators sucking up the money and lack of accountability. That is one of the reasons people argue against socialism in the first place. Now you have people complaining about charter school when they're providing an alternative that has had some success. Why would you be against charter schools if you can show me a school with a few hundred students that are outperforming all the regular public schools in the area? You know why? It forces those teachers and admins in the crap schools to face the light.
The argument the crap schools make is charter schools just take all the good children. First off, how are we defining "good children" at such a young age? If this means they're choosing students with parents that are actually involved then maybe we can talk about solutions for others. In the German school system, they start weeding kids out by 3rd or 4th grade by their aptitudes. If you aren't cutting it, they will start giving you more vocational training. That needs to happen here. There is no point passing along a student who can't read or do math at the required level his grade demands. This is setting the kid up for failure when he gets out into the real world. It's the PC culture of "oh you can't be that mean to kids". Yes you need to be honest with them if they're messing up. Kids that disturb the class need to be dealt with in a stern manner. Not only are they messing it up for themselves, but they're a negative influence on the kids who actually want to learn. And you wonder why all the "good kids" are going to charters?
As far as colleges, yes they're overpriced. A big reason is the same as our k-12 schools which is the bloated administration sucking up the money. Again to use the German system, you don't see that. Also for that "free education" in German colleges you still have to pass tests to get in. We have community colleges here for a reason. If you don't QUALIFY for a 4 year college you should start at a community college. That will save you tons of money. Most community colleges usually have partnerships with the 4 year state schools to transfer after 2 years. What makes German schools cheap is the college life is really a no frills learning environment. You're not there to "hang out". All those big college football games, world class gyms, and all the other non essential aspects of college you can forget about. Are you ready for that reality? Also if you're majoring in History or some other liberal arts subject you need to be realistic about your job future. Unless you're going to go all the way through for a PHD, you're not going to be in demand without learning a skill.
Once you're out of school do you really want to be in a workforce where you aren't incentivized to do your best? Do any of you regularly go to the post office? If you're in a decent sized city you should know how slow dealing with them is. They know they're getting their check and pension and could care less about being efficient. They also know it's hard to get fired so that gives them all the more reason to coast on their jobs. Being black in the workplace could actually get worse under such a system. If there is no real career advancement then jobs totally become about power and control. Right now, people have the option to switch jobs when they feel like. Don't like your job, you can leave tomorrow for a higher paying one with a better boss. What happens when that ability is taken away? Applying for any job will end up like applying for Government jobs now. It will take you around a year or more of waiting just to hear back. I'm fine the way we are now.
Our public school system is already "socialized" and the results are terrible. We throw more money per kid than any other country besides Switzerland and one or two other countries. Yet our results are poor. The cause of this is the bloated administrators sucking up the money and lack of accountability. That is one of the reasons people argue against socialism in the first place. Now you have people complaining about charter school when they're providing an alternative that has had some success. Why would you be against charter schools if you can show me a school with a few hundred students that are outperforming all the regular public schools in the area? You know why? It forces those teachers and admins in the crap schools to face the light.
The argument the crap schools make is charter schools just take all the good children. First off, how are we defining "good children" at such a young age? If this means they're choosing students with parents that are actually involved then maybe we can talk about solutions for others. In the German school system, they start weeding kids out by 3rd or 4th grade by their aptitudes. If you aren't cutting it, they will start giving you more vocational training. That needs to happen here. There is no point passing along a student who can't read or do math at the required level his grade demands. This is setting the kid up for failure when he gets out into the real world. It's the PC culture of "oh you can't be that mean to kids". Yes you need to be honest with them if they're messing up. Kids that disturb the class need to be dealt with in a stern manner. Not only are they messing it up for themselves, but they're a negative influence on the kids who actually want to learn. And you wonder why all the "good kids" are going to charters?
As far as colleges, yes they're overpriced. A big reason is the same as our k-12 schools which is the bloated administration sucking up the money. Again to use the German system, you don't see that. Also for that "free education" in German colleges you still have to pass tests to get in. We have community colleges here for a reason. If you don't QUALIFY for a 4 year college you should start at a community college. That will save you tons of money. Most community colleges usually have partnerships with the 4 year state schools to transfer after 2 years. What makes German schools cheap is the college life is really a no frills learning environment. You're not there to "hang out". All those big college football games, world class gyms, and all the other non essential aspects of college you can forget about. Are you ready for that reality? Also if you're majoring in History or some other liberal arts subject you need to be realistic about your job future. Unless you're going to go all the way through for a PHD, you're not going to be in demand without learning a skill.
Once you're out of school do you really want to be in a workforce where you aren't incentivized to do your best? Do any of you regularly go to the post office? If you're in a decent sized city you should know how slow dealing with them is. They know they're getting their check and pension and could care less about being efficient. They also know it's hard to get fired so that gives them all the more reason to coast on their jobs. Being black in the workplace could actually get worse under such a system. If there is no real career advancement then jobs totally become about power and control. Right now, people have the option to switch jobs when they feel like. Don't like your job, you can leave tomorrow for a higher paying one with a better boss. What happens when that ability is taken away? Applying for any job will end up like applying for Government jobs now. It will take you around a year or more of waiting just to hear back. I'm fine the way we are now.
plushcarpet
Superstar
there is only one type of socialism, and it's government control over private property
any other form is just a smokescreen
sure sure, socialists will say "oh the workers will own the fruits of their labor"
but in reality we know that's not going to happen, the government will own it, the government will have more power and thus more corruption will arise
I would honestly rather have corrupt private citizen billionaires than have a corrupt government that owns everything and has control of the largest police force and army in the world
we currently have an almost perfect balance in the USA (except healthcare)
people who want to take us more towards pure socialism are naive and probably haven't studied it enough
Saysumthinfunnymike
VOTE!!!
In name only. There are some issues like gun control where he's weak as a Democrat but he's not that far off from the establishment on most issues. Being an independent in Vermont allows him to be weak on shyt like gun control because it's important to those people.
joeychizzle
光復香港，時代革命
Tell me a country the size and diversity in population of America that has been successful with socialism?
Tell me a country the size and diversity in population of America that has been successful with socialism
Which country in history with over 330 million diverse people has successfully implemented socialism/state socialism
I dont want some racist CAC Czar determing my lot in lifeKeep that shyt in Australia or whatever Scandinavian country your from
You weren't the brightest spark in your school, were you
You were the kid who kept saying stupid shyt and kept repeating the same lines until somebody socked you in your mouth
@Darth Humanist this is why I often stay away from HL. The fukking subforum is called higher learning but there's a disturbingly large amount of fukking idiots in here.
Conspiracy theorists and tinfoil hats
religious idiots trying to merk science
fake militants spitting gas
how many countries like that can you even name in the first place?Tell me a country the size and diversity in population of America that has been successful with socialism?