‘Pluribus’ - New Psychological Sci-Fi Series from Vince Gilligan (Starring Rhea Seehorn) | Apple TV+ (11/7)

[Egomaniacal1]

Their dragging this shyt out and that’s usually indicative of not having much else plot wise to fall back on. Watching her do mundane tasks is getting tedious. That said I’ll reserve judgement til the credits roll on what better be one hell of a season one cliffhanger.

I still have a lot of questions and watching a video about how this may be connected to a Twilight Zone episode has me more intrigued. The execution needs to turn around this upcoming 2nd half of the season cuz watching a mega Karen do mega Karen things to helpless pseudo humans relentlessly ain’t it.

 

[RamsayBolton]

It's four episodes. We're dealing with an incomplete picture right now. We didn't know how much of a narcissist Walter was or how selfish he was four episodes in. And by the time we met Jimmy, we already had a whole series to familiarize with him.

People trust Gilligan for the same reason they trust Scorsese or Nolan or Coogler. They tend to deliver when called upon, and Gilligan has been delivering since the 90s (X-Files).

That convo about Helen's thoughts on her writing and the conversion therapy served to show how isolated Carol has been without the need for another flashback. We learn why she was estranged from her parents and why Helen was her only lifeline, but then she learns her best friend didn't even rate her writing that highly. That leads to a sense of betrayal, and since hurt people hurt people that leads to extreme actions like trying to dope pirate lady with truth serum.

We need another character working with Carol. I have no problem rooting for a miserable Karen and knowing that pirate lady can be "unplugged" matters, but we need storage dude in Paraguay to start making his way up north ASAP.

Its four episodes but by this point I was interested in BB and BCS and was intrigued by the hints of what was to come on display. Not so here

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Its four episodes but by this point I was interested in BB and BCS and was intrigued by the hints of what was to come on display. Not so here

That may be because this is focusing solely on Rhea(so far) and with the way the character is, she isnt someone you want to follow around for 90% of the show. Everyone she is interacting with is the hivemind and they kinda w/e atm too. Doesnt help that she keeps freaking out about stupid shyt. Why are you so mad about them repairing the house?
This question board and all the questions she asked shouldve been done in the first 2 episodes. She shouldve did all this before she called the meeting with the english survivors.

This show shouldve been showing the perspectives of the various characters dealing with this, but they made the other english speakers ok with everything. Dog food eating brehito seems more interesting than Carol.

Maybe the perspective switch episode later will help.

 

[WhoShotCha]

Vince has earned the right for me to reserve judgment, but thus far this is not that great. The hivemind isn't interesting because they're a hivemind, and Rhea's character is a chore because of her personality. Things need to shake up fast.

 

[FaTaL]

Vince has earned the right for me to reserve judgment, but thus far this is not that great. The hivemind isn't interesting because they're a hivemind, and Rhea's character is a chore because of her personality. Things need to shake up fast.

i hope it fails so we get more bb stuff

call me a hater but we all are wishing this fails

 

[African_brehda]

Mauritanian breh was having a blast

 

[RickyGQ]

This thread is going to be hilarious to reread when this show takes off.

Breaking Bad didn’t take off until the third season, where they had to dump the first two seasons on a freshly expanding Netflix to get people caught up as word of mouth kept spreading.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

This thread is going to be hilarious to reread when this show takes off.

Breaking Bad didn’t take off until the third season, where they had to dump the first two seasons on a freshly expanding Netflix to get people caught up as word of mouth kept spreading.

Thing is, even if this show does "take off", most the criticisms in this thread would still be valid imo. Just because the show becomes popular doesnt change the fact that the grenade scene is stupid(when you seen the hive get dude the nuclear football and air force one). Doesnt change the fact that her asking basic questions didnt happen til Ep 4. I think part of the issue is the fact that Vince has mapped out the series to S4 and the success of BB/BCS has given him a blank check.

If BB never took off, the story would still be engaging as hell, because it's well written and the various characters are interesting. With this it seems Vince focused too much on the big picture. The ending for Carol may be great, but the start is kinda rough for a good chunk of the viewers because of the way stuff is written. I say written because I loved Rhea in BCS. Apple probably gave him a blank check so they probably didnt tell him "Yo, can you do so and so to make these first 4 episodes more engaging for the viewer".

The fact that a couple ppl have said various forms of "yall gotta have faith in Vince" as a defense of the show instead of just pulling stuff from the show being presented to defend is telling imo.

 

[Tasha And]

The fact that a couple ppl have said various forms of "yall gotta have faith in Vince" as a defense of the show instead of just pulling stuff from the show being presented to defend is telling imo.

I don't disagree overall with the critiques as I have them too, but I also don't think giving the creator the benefit of the doubt is totally absent of merit. There are some creators that do have a certain vision where it may take a full view of the thing to get exactly what they were going for.

My second biggest critique of the show (after Carol prefering to hear herself rant than ask basic questions) is the social intelligence of the collective seems to vary and doesn't seem to adapt to Carol despite every psychologist on earth being present to say "yeah maybe we shouldn't all creepily say hi to her at the same time when it obviously freaks her out."

The analogy to AI is constricting the actual premise in a way that conflicts with the characters/story. BUT...

I listened to the first part of a podcast where they mentioned Vince talking about the social intelligence of the collective. I didn't finish the pod because I actually didn't want to hear the creator thoughts about it but I heard enough to think the way he's depicting this could be very intentional and it will take more episodes and exploration to understand why they are like that, and it may even be addressed within the text of the show as a plot point that drives the story or character development. And if that is the case, then my earlier critique is moot and actually becomes a strength of the show. And I can see it plausibly being something Vince would do because he's taken premises I was skeptical about before and shown me he got it and what threads to pull in a way I wasn't sure he would.

So yeah I do have my early critiques of the show but I'm also not sure I won't withdraw or cool on some of them by the end of the first season, and yes that's based on track record.

 

[Silver Surfer]

Great series

 

[Diunx]

Great show, would definitely be living it off like that french breh, wtf do I want to go back to not owning AF1 and having a harem?

It just hit me last ep that these are pretty much living AI chatbots

 

[Diunx]

Yikes at this thread, the typical "why isn't she doing this and that during a traumatizing world ending event!"

She just lost her wife and everyone she has ever known, the world got took over by an alien hivemind, you can see in the scene where she is with the unaffected that she wanted someone else to take the lead, she even tried again with the non English speakers and when that fail is when she starting trying to do something herself, at the end of the day she is just a writer.

"why would she be mad at a bunch of strangers fixing her house!" really?

The only thing that bothered me is when they went to Paraguay, the dude having some 80's tv and phone, the old lady delivering the food in a 60's beetle, "its not the US or Europe! it must be a shythole with 40 year old technology!"

 

[EzekelRAGE]

"why would she be mad at a bunch of strangers fixing her house!" really?

Yes really. It's already established the hive are helpers, it makes sense they repairing the house that just had a grenade go off. Her being annoyed? Cool, makes sense. Her being a karen and doing all the that yelling about it? Overkill for ep 4 with what was already establised about them.

 

[RickyGQ]

Thing is, even if this show does "take off", most the criticisms in this thread would still be valid imo. Just because the show becomes popular doesnt change the fact that the grenade scene is stupid(when you seen the hive get dude the nuclear football and air force one). Doesnt change the fact that her asking basic questions didnt happen til Ep 4. I think part of the issue is the fact that Vince has mapped out the series to S4 and the success of BB/BCS has given him a blank check.

If BB never took off, the story would still be engaging as hell, because it's well written and the various characters are interesting. With this it seems Vince focused too much on the big picture. The ending for Carol may be great, but the start is kinda rough for a good chunk of the viewers because of the way stuff is written. I say written because I loved Rhea in BCS. Apple probably gave him a blank check so they probably didnt tell him "Yo, can you do so and so to make these first 4 episodes more engaging for the viewer".

The fact that a couple ppl have said various forms of "yall gotta have faith in Vince" as a defense of the show instead of just pulling stuff from the show being presented to defend is telling imo.

My point is a lot of people started breaking bad and couldn’t finish season 1 cause they thought it was so slow and boring. They had to come back to it after people told them how amazing it gets.

 

[RickyGQ]

Yikes at this thread, the typical "why isn't she doing this and that during a traumatizing world ending event!"

She just lost her wife and everyone she has ever known, the world got took over by an alien hivemind, you can see in the scene where she is with the unaffected that she wanted someone else to take the lead, she even tried again with the non English speakers and when that fail is when she starting trying to do something herself, at the end of the day she is just a writer.

"why would she be mad at a bunch of strangers fixing her house!" really?

The only thing that bothered me is when they went to Paraguay, the dude having some 80's tv and phone, the old lady delivering the food in a 60's beetle, "its not the US or Europe! it must be a shythole with 40 year old technology!"

Not to mention, while she was judged for never “asking questions” about Zosia, she was just as judgmental of the other unaffected who never stopped an realized that their family isn’t really their family anymore. They all dealing with severe cope.