Glad you said this.
Republicans always talk about small government.
Thats false.
They're in favor of THEIR government.
Pollution in China is Out of Control
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Republicans always talk about small government.
Thats false.
They're in favor of THEIR government.
Libertarians must live on farms with all the STRAWMEN they build 
We agree...
Giving up my shtick though
I don't know about all that...
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#hoh
mufukas are gonna start bootleggin oxygen like they do 3 dollar dvds.
I've always found this talking point (of wanting small government for the sake of it) to be so...nonsensical and irrelevant. And even if you take it seriously conservatives come out as complete hypocrites. $600 billion on their precious defense...wow such small government.The drug war and sending huge swathes of people to jail for non violent drug crimes..wow such small government. Endorsing huge surveilance programs and intruding on privacy under the guise of "terroism"...wow such small government. Wanting police to abuse people and have military grade equipment...wow such small government. Wanting to regulate people's social lives because of their imaginary friend, wow such small government
Smart government >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "small" government
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So you are going to ignore what I actually said, and pretend I said I want zero regulation...
Typical.
Anywho, i'm not even going to entertain this 'China is libertarian on pollution nonsense'. I feel sorry for anyone who believes that, and thats all I really got.
... and@ China needing more govt. oversight.
It's so obvious you and TWISM do not want to defend your unpopular views on enviromental regulation because you guys have done nothing but deflect. When did I say that you personally wanted zero regulations? When did I say China was libertarian on pollution? You just deflected my entire post where I explained to you why what you said was nonsense and all you do is spam laff smilies. Then TWISM wants to run around the topic and talk about etymology all day as usual. What a moron
Anyway the point here is that we all know that libertarians do not believe in enviromental regulations and especially and that their ideal regulatory climate is closer to current China, where there is basically no enforcement. If you would like to refute that premise or explain to us how instead of regulations that protect and prevent pollution, after the fact litigation and court rooms will be a more efficient method. If possible, explain for the people you feel sorry for how well this idea has worked lets say historically.
"Smart" government wants us to tolerate gays and teach our kids bout evilutionI've always found this talking point (of wanting small government for the sake of it) to be so...nonsensical and irrelevant. And even if you take it seriously conservatives come out as complete hypocrites. $600 billion on their precious defense...wow such small government.The drug war and sending huge swathes of people to jail for non violent drug crimes..wow such small government. Endorsing huge surveilance programs and intruding on privacy under the guise of "terroism"...wow such small government. Wanting police to abuse people and have military grade equipment...wow such small government. Wanting to regulate people's social lives because of their imaginary friend, wow such small government
Smart government >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "small" government
False, the idea is rather that if there is to be any regulations to protect others in any way it should be as local as possible...where IMO it is most accountable. Not only is it not the federal govt.'s role to do these things IMO, but the feds cannot begin to identify with the needs of everyone in every region of the country.
“Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all." -- Frédéric Bastiat
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The Mayor of Beijing Says His City Is 'Unlivable'
By Matt Smith
January 28, 2015 | 2:30 pm
China's smog-shrouded, overcrowded, traffic-choked capital has become unlivable.
And that's not the assessment of some tourist or disgruntled cubicle-dweller: That's the mayor talking.
Speaking to Beijing's local Communist Party conference this week, Mayor Wang Anshun said efforts to limit the city's notorious air pollution have fallen short of targets and that the city faced "worrisome" environmental problems.
"In establishing a top-tier, internationalized livable and harmonious city, Beijing is currently establishing a system of standards, something that is very important," Wang said in comments reported by state news outlets. "At the present time, however, Beijing is not a livable city."
Wang's blunt assessment was the latest in a series of efforts by Chinese leaders to get a handle on the environmental problems that accompany its rapid economic development and urbanization. Jennifer Turner, head of the China Environment Forum at the Washington DC-based Woodrow Wilson Center, called Wang's comments "nicely refreshing," if light on detail.
"There's no way of hiding the fact that the air quality is really bad now that there's some transparency," Turner told VICE News. Though China recently tried to squelch a mobile phone application that reported the US Embassy's air-quality data along with government figures, she said the government has set up regular monitoring, and people are allowed to buy their own monitors.
"It's the lingering that's killing them," she said. "Before, it would spike up and down. The spikes are higher, and they're longer now."
Beijing shuttered nearly 400 polluting factories and got rid of 476,000 old cars in 2014, the state news agency Xinhua reported; it also denied permits for more than 3,700 new businesses that were on a list of "prohibited or restricted operations."
But the city of 21 million-plus is not only wreathed in auto exhaust, emissions from coal-fired power plants and industrial smokestacks also pollute its air. China is now the world's largest energy consumer as well as its most populous country, and nearly 70 percent of its electricity comes from coal, according to US estimates.
Wang has vowed to limit the number of new cars in the city, remove 180,000 old ones from the roads, and rein in the city's population growth to fight those problems. But while he may be able to idle old cars and push smoky factories out of his city, he can't do it all.
"He's the mayor. He's not in charge of how coal is produced or not produced," Turner told VICE News.
Turner said as many as 350 million Chinese are expected to move to cities in the coming decade — a figure comparable to the entire population of the United States. Meanwhile, rising illnesses among its own population and health concerns from international businesses have pushed Chinese authorities to take on their environmental problems.
Here's why China's climate pledge might not be such a great leap forward. Read more here.
Turner said Wang's remarks show Chinese city leaders are speaking "as if they're being made accountable."
"Anyone who's going to the mayor of Bejing or Shenzhen or Shanghai, these are not shrinking-violet types," she said. "They're savvy and they talk straighter."
Chinese President Xi Xinping said last week that his country should protect its environment "the same way as one treats his own life." Speaking at a lakeside village in southwestern China, Xi urged provincial officials that if he came back years later, "the water should be even clearer than today. If not, I will hold them accountable."
https://news.vice.com/article/the-m...-unlivable?utm_source=vicenewsfb:mjlol::bryan:
By Matt Smith
January 28, 2015 | 2:30 pm
China's smog-shrouded, overcrowded, traffic-choked capital has become unlivable.
And that's not the assessment of some tourist or disgruntled cubicle-dweller: That's the mayor talking.
Speaking to Beijing's local Communist Party conference this week, Mayor Wang Anshun said efforts to limit the city's notorious air pollution have fallen short of targets and that the city faced "worrisome" environmental problems.
"In establishing a top-tier, internationalized livable and harmonious city, Beijing is currently establishing a system of standards, something that is very important," Wang said in comments reported by state news outlets. "At the present time, however, Beijing is not a livable city."
Wang's blunt assessment was the latest in a series of efforts by Chinese leaders to get a handle on the environmental problems that accompany its rapid economic development and urbanization. Jennifer Turner, head of the China Environment Forum at the Washington DC-based Woodrow Wilson Center, called Wang's comments "nicely refreshing," if light on detail.
"There's no way of hiding the fact that the air quality is really bad now that there's some transparency," Turner told VICE News. Though China recently tried to squelch a mobile phone application that reported the US Embassy's air-quality data along with government figures, she said the government has set up regular monitoring, and people are allowed to buy their own monitors.
"It's the lingering that's killing them," she said. "Before, it would spike up and down. The spikes are higher, and they're longer now."
Beijing shuttered nearly 400 polluting factories and got rid of 476,000 old cars in 2014, the state news agency Xinhua reported; it also denied permits for more than 3,700 new businesses that were on a list of "prohibited or restricted operations."
But the city of 21 million-plus is not only wreathed in auto exhaust, emissions from coal-fired power plants and industrial smokestacks also pollute its air. China is now the world's largest energy consumer as well as its most populous country, and nearly 70 percent of its electricity comes from coal, according to US estimates.
Wang has vowed to limit the number of new cars in the city, remove 180,000 old ones from the roads, and rein in the city's population growth to fight those problems. But while he may be able to idle old cars and push smoky factories out of his city, he can't do it all.
"He's the mayor. He's not in charge of how coal is produced or not produced," Turner told VICE News.
Turner said as many as 350 million Chinese are expected to move to cities in the coming decade — a figure comparable to the entire population of the United States. Meanwhile, rising illnesses among its own population and health concerns from international businesses have pushed Chinese authorities to take on their environmental problems.
Here's why China's climate pledge might not be such a great leap forward. Read more here.
Turner said Wang's remarks show Chinese city leaders are speaking "as if they're being made accountable."
"Anyone who's going to the mayor of Bejing or Shenzhen or Shanghai, these are not shrinking-violet types," she said. "They're savvy and they talk straighter."
Chinese President Xi Xinping said last week that his country should protect its environment "the same way as one treats his own life." Speaking at a lakeside village in southwestern China, Xi urged provincial officials that if he came back years later, "the water should be even clearer than today. If not, I will hold them accountable."
https://news.vice.com/article/the-m...-unlivable?utm_source=vicenewsfb:mjlol::bryan: