Popular CAC youtuber claims that they created blues, jazz and RnB

[Slimkid07]

Peep the rest of that thread. Pat is valid, got co-sign from Wynton Marsalis when he was younger and he taught at college level



And Adam Neely speaks for itself

Destiny went to school for music for 1 semester and now is trying to out debate music conservatory kids who have been listening to avant-garde and jazz since they were in the womb and could write any chord they heard on paper since they were 5

Yea, I saw that debate vid he had with the jazz artist/historian.
I thought she packed him up. He didn't want to admit defeat because of hubris.

Terrible fukking take. It's like saying white people created jazz because the piano was created in Europe.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I’m not saying those genres of music aren’t AA music. And you don’t have to thank anyone since your forebears who created the music were Africans.

However, when you dissociate it from the source & act like the creation happened in a vacuum without acknowledging where the influence came from, it’s problematic.



Drums weren’t on every continent. The history of drums can be traced to 2 places - Africa & Asia (China). Everyone else borrowed from these 2 places. And since European history of drums point to the Mediterranean - it’s obvious Europeans got it from Africa.

In modern times, all of those places had their own distinct drumming cultures

History of Drums: A Brief History Lesson for Drummers

Drums are integral to live performances and have been central to music creation for centuries. But where did it all begin? Learn about their history here.

www.drumcenternh.com

Tonality/melisma are the 2 most important components of music. And since blues share this with Sahelian music - why are you trying to appropriate part of the influence to European classical music?

European classical? I never said melisma/tonality came from that12 bar chord changes (along with shuffle rhythm) is the reason why it's the Blues and not melismatic music from India, Middle East, Ethiopia, Sudan, Libya, sahel etc...

Reggae & Afram music don’t share the same rhythm. However, that hasn’t stopped you from always pointing out the Afram influence. And rightfully so.

Reggae rhythm was born by the slowing down of Ska which was was born by Jamaican's following what was going on in Soul/Funk

The reggae skank was even in the same Jazz songs that Jamaican would get the Ska beat from

I’m just saying you need to stay consistent. None of these things were created in a vacuum & Europeans lack any type of rhythm for anyone to think they influenced anything.

I've been consistent the whole time

 

[Amerikan Melanin]

Y’all gotta stop paying attention to every “influencer” that comes across your TL.

 

[AyBrehHam Linkin]

African American music came with the slaves. It is a fusion of musics that covered the Sahel, Forest Belt and Central African arts. Drumming was eventually curtailed due to their connections to slave revolts. Gospel music by and large comes from call and recall. There are also connections to West Africa Muslim calls to prayers. The Dr. Watts stuff is a classic example of call and recall that is the basis of Gospel music. You can hear the West African calls to prayers in that sound. Dr. Watts didn't create that music, but he took credit for it. Most Gospel songs go way back to field hollers but have gotten reworked over the years for contemporary audiences.

The shyt White people contributed is what they did for Country music and Rock and Roll. Those were Black musical art forms that White people try to take credit for.

That is all correct, but African American music is not just African influenced.

 

[AyBrehHam Linkin]

That is all correct, but you can't deny that the religious influence in african american music came from white people. We werent christians in west africa originally.

Stephen Foster didn't write Negro Spirituals for the Jubilee Singers

The only thing negro spirituals and white hymns have in common is the lyrics based around the Christian Bible. The actual music is totally different

white observers been knew this

You did that big ass post n didn't even read my post right, i never said stephen foster wrote negro spirituals for the Fisk Jubilee singers.

 

[shopthatwrecks]

beethoven was black he looked like oj with a beauty mole n blowout

he was inspired by george bridgewater ....he looked like candace parker with a wave nouveau

 

[CW_1991]

Y’all gotta stop paying attention to every “influencer” that comes across your TL.

 

[Lootha VanDraws]

Miles Davis told us what was up with the whites.

 

[Samori Toure]

That is all correct, but African American music is not just African influenced.

LOL. The Empire of Kongo is in West Central Africa. The Kingdom of Kongo converted to Christianity in the 1490s,. The first slave statue in what would become the USA didn't occur until the 1620s. The Kongo was the largest provider of slaves to the Americas in the transatlantic slave trade, especially early on to the USA. Kongo people were known for their rhythmic music which was passed on into the African American music experience.

So the people from Kongo were Christians long before they even came into the Americas. Not only that but African American music is heavily influenced by Islam practiced by the Muslims in West Africa.

Finally since you seem to be overly religious I hate to break this to you but many American slave owners fought against the slaves becoming Christians, because the slaves believed that if they "confessed their sins then they would be free" as the Bible stated. The slave owners believed that Christianity pushed the slaves towatds rebellion so the slave owners wanted that "curse of Ham" and "slaves being obedient to your masters"; and "your reward is in Heaven" stuff empasized. The slave owners even sat in the Church services with the slaves to make sure that Northern itinerant preachers were preaching to those standards in order when they were converting the slaves to Christianity. However up until the Second Great Awakening in the 1800s the slaves either practiced their native religions like Voodoo or Islam or Catholicism or some blending of those religions. It was that during that Second Awakening that many slaves became Protestant Christians, but by then the music was already used by the slaves and had nothing to do with European. As an aside you can check with some major Southern Universities where you will find that some of those schools have Korans that were left to them by slave owners. Those slave owners had provided those Korans to their slaves during their lifetimes and when the slaves died the slave owners left the materials to the universities. That is why a lot of African American Churches have a lot of Islamic influences in it like "shouting or "the shawt"" and Dr. Watts which is the call to prayer. All of that is Muslims that converted to Christianity. That should give you an indication of how many of the slaves were originally Muslim.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

You did that big ass post n didn't even read my post right, i never said stephen foster wrote negro spirituals for the Fisk Jubilee singers.

That big ass post easily debunked what you just self-quoted in your last post

"but you can't deny that the religious influence in african american music came from white people. We werent christians in west africa originally."

ADOS Gospel/Spirtual music doesn't sound like it does because they're Christians...black sacred music sounds different from white sacred music because of performance style. White people schooled in the Classical/Western European musical traditions, time and time again in the 1800s made note of the this

 

[Top Left]

fukk destiny but loving the wealth of knowledge being shared here

 

[ALonelyDad]

This guy is a racist and a cuck who is in a open relationship.

0:50

 

[Amo Husserl]

But what about the PAWGS?

The internet has almost infinite reach, underestimating it is costly.

The product of centuries-old social engineering and in-house broadcasting for the desired effect.

Talking too much to other people is how we got here in the first place.

Y'all gone learn.​

 

[Westbama Heartthrob]

He fukked up claiming that 99 percent was copied from European classical music. There's clearly some level of influence from classical music in jazz and blues but it's not the main influence, and it also sounds like he believes Europeans invented music and weren't influence by the sounds from other cultures.

This cac claims he studied music in college, he should know better.

Who said he didn't?

When spreading an agenda, telling the truth aint the goal

It's setting a narrative. And think we all see what narrative he's trying to create

 

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just glanced at the comments and I didn't see anyone agreeing with him.