Popular CAC youtuber claims that they created blues, jazz and RnB

[Bonk]

Blues and Jazz aren't simply what you just said Blues and Jazz are musics that were born of the creolization process that ADOS faced while taking their African heritage and clashing it against Euro-American culture. What ended up happening is that there were singular influences that could be traced back to old world Africa or old world Europe but also things that were completly made up by said ADOS population that had no clear antecedents. A pretty straight foward example is the drumkit/trapset

Africa had



Europe had



But it was ADOS and only ADOS who did

I agree with some of the points in your post & I disagree with the rest.

Contemporary Europeans claim classical music & the use of 5-set drums came from the Romans & Mesopotamia. However, every good student of history devoid of European bias knows that everywhere in the Mediterranean up to Mesopotamia was heavily influenced by Africa.

That said, drums aren’t just musical instruments to Africans - they have also been historically used for communication, spirituality, etc. No other group has that type of connection with drums apart from the Chinese. And Europeans didn’t come in contact with Chinese people until later.

Also, I don’t disagree with the fact that Jazz/Blues is a quintessentially Afram creation. However, the influence is glaring when you listen to traditional Sahel African music. And the modifications aren’t that elaborate, apart from the language.

So, what I find a tad inconsistent with your post is the fact that you always want to point out the wholesome Afram influence in Reggae but won’t do that with Jazz/Blues. It’s no different from Africans acting like Afrobeats started in a vacuum in Africa, when in reality, it’s heavily influenced by hip hop & ragga/dancehall. Even Fela Kuti who created the name was a Jazz musician playing in Jazz Cafes all over England before he decided to move back to Africa & subsequently added Yoruba sound & highlife (Ghanaian sound) to his music. Then you also have South Africans with ‘Amapiano’ which is basically house music with some modifications. Do better.

I think black people everywhere in general need to stop acting like they created these things in a vacuum & see the global black culture as a symbiotic ecosystem where everything is influenced in a cyclical form & appreciate the influences from group, to group. And that’s the only way to protect the culture(s) from spastic cacs like the one in the OP. As a people, black folks have a long way to go.

 

[IIVI]

These people always want it to be their brithday even when it isn't

Won't be happy unless people tell them sound itself came from them

It don't work like that.

Just like they want to be credited with modern civilization, sorry, it comes from all parts of the world.

Side note:
Ask them how music would be today without the "Latin Push" from Afro-Cuban music. Also why Stevie Wonder is still not given enough credit.

 

[The Plug]

Shhhh you're using common sense.

Every time someone posts some bs that crackas and chinks are pushing against black people, here come people asking why it's posted here as if the coli is big enough to spread it.

Anyway destiny is one of those cacs that think he knows much more than he does.

 

[BaggerofTea]

It makes those morons that appeared on his show to entertain the mysandry and just downright anti black bullshyt look even stupider.

This clown is a whole nazi

 

[MrLogic]

 

[K.O.N.Y]

I agree with some of the points in your post & I disagree with the rest.

Contemporary Europeans claim classical music & the use of 5-set drums came from the Romans & Mesopotamia. However, every good student of history devoid of European bias knows that everywhere in the Mediterranean up to Mesopotamia was heavily influenced by Africa.

That said, drums aren’t just musical instruments to Africans - they have also been historically used for communication, spirituality, etc. No other group has that type of connection with drums apart from the Chinese. And Europeans didn’t come in contact with Chinese people until later.

Also, I don’t disagree with the fact that Jazz/Blues is a quintessentially Afram creation. However, the influence is glaring when you listen to traditional Sahel African music. And the modifications aren’t that elaborate, apart from the language.

So, what I find a tad inconsistent with your post is the fact that you always want to point out the wholesome Afram influence in Reggae but won’t do that with Jazz/Blues. It’s no different from Africans acting like Afrobeats started in a vacuum in Africa, when in reality, it’s heavily influenced by hip hop & ragga/dancehall. Even Fela Kuti who created the name was a Jazz musician playing in Jazz Cafes all over England before he decided to move back to Africa & subsequently added Yoruba sound & highlife (Ghanaian sound) to his music. Then you also have South Africans with ‘Amapiano’ which is basically house music with some modifications. Do better.

I think black people everywhere in general need to stop acting like they created these things in a vacuum & see the global black culture as a symbiotic ecosystem where everything is influenced in a cyclical form & appreciate the influences from group, to group. And that’s the only way to protect the culture(s) from spastic cacs like the one in the OP. As a people, black folks have a long way to go.

I think the main difference is, all the africamisn”s were done via FBA themselves

people position it as if there’s some group that we have to thank

 

[Gloxina]

Name names. Who were his supporters on here. Was it @Gloxina ?

I know you did not

I told y’all I didn’t know who tf that was

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I agree with some of the points in your post & I disagree with the rest.

Contemporary Europeans claim classical music & the use of 5-set drums came from the Romans & Mesopotamia. However, every good student of history devoid of European bias knows that everywhere in the Mediterranean up to Mesopotamia was heavily influenced by Africa.

That said, drums aren’t just musical instruments to Africans - they have also been historically used for communication, spirituality, etc. No other group has that type of connection with drums apart from the Chinese. And Europeans didn’t come in contact with Chinese people until later.

Drums were on every Continent, 4 limbed played drumset was only in the USA via ADOS

Also, I don’t disagree with the fact that Jazz/Blues is a quintessentially Afram creation. However, the influence is glaring when you listen to traditional Sahel African music. And the modifications aren’t that elaborate, apart from the language.

Blues and Sahelian music share a tonality and melissma but Sahelian music doesn't have 12 bar chord changes or a shuffle rhythm

So, what I find a tad inconsistent with your post is the fact that you always want to point out the wholesome Afram influence in Reggae but won’t do that with Jazz/Blues.

The difference is Reggae is a post-slavery/modern music where jamaicans looked abroad for influences whereas, Jazz and Blues weren't born out of ADOS looking abroad for musical appropriation; bust instead, the African influences that showed up in the Blues/Jazz were not modern, but something that was already in their blood/heritage

It’s no different from Africans acting like Afrobeats started in a vacuum in Africa, when in reality, it’s heavily influenced by hip hop & ragga/dancehall. Even Fela Kuti who created the name was a Jazz musician playing in Jazz Cafes all over England before he decided to move back to Africa & subsequently added Yoruba sound & highlife (Ghanaian sound) to his music. Then you also have South Africans with ‘Amapiano’ which is basically house music with some modifications. Do better.

again, those are modern 20th/21st century musics made from remix culture. Blues and jazz are 19th century forms that came out of slavery/plantations

I think black people everywhere in general need to stop acting like they created these things in a vacuum & see the global black culture as a symbiotic ecosystem where everything is influenced in a cyclical form & appreciate the influences from group, to group. And that’s the only way to protect the culture(s) from spastic cacs like the one in the OP. As a people, black folks have a long way to go.

Again, this vacuum talk only pertains to modern remix music; whatever was created by various Afro populations in the 1800s/early 1900s before the spread of modern pop culture via records/TV is a different situation altogether

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I think the main difference is, all the africamisn”s were done via FBA themselves

people position it as if there’s some group that we have to thank

exactly, it was a feeling by way of their blood not a modern appropriation by way of looking outside the culture

 

[JamesJabdi]

he is a white fakkit who lets his wife sleep with other men......cornball couldn't even finish a goddamn music degree in college, but wants to talk about music history ....the jokes write themselfs

 

[BigBlackSea]

Destiny has been a thinly veiled SWS his whole career.

 

[Fill Collins]

OP, you know damn well what that dikk in the ass fakkit said is wrong, what do you want us to do about it?

And like it or not, if you're AA/ADOS/etc. our roots are West African, our traditional music shows exactly that

You'd have to be a complete idiot to think this. Hell, Ragtime which was literally the forefather for those genres was started by a Black man named Scott Joplin and literally most evidence points to Jazz, Blues, and especially R&B(which literally got it's name in the first place because of "Race Radio") being tied to African Americans.

If Elvis was still alive, even he'd slap this cac in the face for saying this.

Peep what he says about R&B and gospel, he absolutely would

 

[Jaguar93]

He knows exactly what’s he’s doing. Ever since he got a big reaction. For saying all black streamers do nothing but yell. He been trying to get black people outraged. And sadly it’s working. He had black people, on his streams. Participating in gender wars, and now this. Stop giving him the reaction he wants.

 

[Bonk]

I think the main difference is, all the africamisn”s were done via FBA themselves

people position it as if there’s some group that we have to thank

I’m not saying those genres of music aren’t AA music. And you don’t have to thank anyone since your forebears who created the music were Africans.

However, when you dissociate it from the source & act like the creation happened in a vacuum without acknowledging where the influence came from, it’s problematic.

Drums were on every Continent, 4 limbed played drumset was only in the USA via ADOS



Blues and Sahelian music share a tonality and melissma but Sahelian music doesn't have 12 bar chord changes or a shuffle rhythm







The difference is Reggae is a post-slavery/modern music where jamaicans looked abroad for influences whereas, Jazz and Blues weren't born out of ADOS looking abroad for musical appropriation; bust instead, the African influences that showed up in the Blues/Jazz were not modern, but something that was already in their blood/heritage

again, those are modern 20th/21st century musics made from remix culture. Blues and jazz are 19th century forms that came out of slavery/plantations



Again, this vacuum talk only pertains to modern remix music; whatever was created by various Afro populations in the 1800s/early 1900s before the spread of modern pop culture via records/TV is a different situation altogether

Drums weren’t on every continent. The history of drums can be traced to 2 places - Africa & Asia (China). Everyone else borrowed from these 2 places. And since European history of drums point to the Mediterranean - it’s obvious Europeans got it from Africa.

Tonality/melisma are the 2 most important components of music. And since blues share this with Sahelian music - why are you trying to appropriate part of the influence to European classical music?

Reggae & Afram music don’t share the same rhythm. However, that hasn’t stopped you from always pointing out the Afram influence. And rightfully so.

I’m just saying you need to stay consistent. None of these things were created in a vacuum & Europeans lack any type of rhythm for anyone to think they influenced anything.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

He fukked up claiming that 99 percent was copied from European classical music. There's clearly some level of influence from classical music in jazz and blues but it's not the main influence,

Third stream jazz has classical influences like



but not Jazz like



Blues has zero % classical influences