Bugzbunny129
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Primo def amped up that year.
Premier's instrumentals for Nas Is Like, Royalty, Devil's Pie, So Ghetto, The 6th Sense, and The Enemy
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Dre is incredible, but Premier needs zero other people, and, IMHO, has shown he's more dextrous with a sampler. Where has Dre done these off the wall chops and made something else entirely?
Also, Premier's career spans as long, he just isn't as commercially pushed.
ShaDynasty
Chaos - The Album
Premier was literally the go to producer in the 90s and early 00s. I miss the days when the top rappers in the game would get Premo to do a beat as standard. Nowadays I guess he did a Drake beat and some crazy Griselda joints but I would love to hear an uptempo Kendrick joint on Premier with a scratch hook.
The 3 verse format Premo did often needs to come back for some types of songs too.
The 3 verse format Premo did often needs to come back for some types of songs too.
Why does it matter that he has other people creating with him? I see that as no different than chopping a sample. Why? He's taking something that someone else created and keeping what sounds good to him to create a song. The difference is Dre had a hand in creating whatever loop or section he kept. So he may have Mark Batson create a piano loop and he adds some drums to it. He may have Mike Elizondo play bass and he adds drums to it. He may have Scott Storch come in and play keys and he adds drums to it.
There's the fact that Dre enhanced all those producers. Mark Batson nor Mike Elizondo had production credits on Hip Hop songs before working with Dre. Storch went from keyboardist to full fledged producer after working with Dre.
This isn't about a commercial push. Dre built iconic artists and created iconic albums over the course of 4 decades.
It matters because Premier is great with just a crate of records and a sampler, which is what this Hip-Hop shyt is about. That's part of the reason he's held so highly. Could Dre get it done under those condidtions? I'd like to think so, but we don't know.
Dre AND THE MACHINE built those iconic artists.
Dre AND HIS BAND OF CO-PRODUCERS created most of those iconic albums
Premier did all his classic shyt DOLO.
MurderToCassette
Sa Da Tay
Premier really locked in the choppy style we all know him for right after the Group Home album (he did get experimental and go left field a little on Jeru's 2nd lp but the first extracts of the chop style are there in joints like "Invasion").
My favorite Preemo style is 93-95 when he was mining the Ultimate Breaks and Beats for Jeru's first joint, using jazz and weird noises on Hard to Earn, and flipping well known stuff in new ways like the Das EFX remix he did.
My favorite Preemo style is 93-95 when he was mining the Ultimate Breaks and Beats for Jeru's first joint, using jazz and weird noises on Hard to Earn, and flipping well known stuff in new ways like the Das EFX remix he did.
We all know the machine can take you so far. And just to give you an example of what I'm talking about, its albums that sold a lot of records in Hip Hop that aren't held in as high regard as a Group Home or a Jeru album. We heard 50 Cent before he got with Dre. He had the Trackmasters, who were huge producing his songs. Breh, had a feature from Destiny's Child at the height of their popularity. That album was shelved. Eminem popped on the underground, but nobody could've predicted he'd be what he became once he dropped the Dre produced " My Name Is...". Game is another one with underground buzz that blew with Dre production. Xzibit had a career before working with Dre. He linked up with Dre and his career went to new heights.
I never discredited Premo or sampling. My point is the approach with sampling is similar to what Dre does with using session players and co-producers. You're using sounds created by others whether they are session players or sampled. So neither of them is completely doing it dolo especially since the artist is there too.
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You're still downplaying Dre. 50 had "Wanksta", which was nowhere near as big as "In Da Club". Same machine behind him. 50 has had other #1 songs, but neither were "In Da Club" and the same machine was behind him. Game still blew up with a Dre record.
Bubba Sparxxx and Yelawolf were both white, had the Interscope machine, and a Black co-sign and only a fraction of the success of Eminem.
Nobody's playing semantics. You're clearly downplaying Dre to big up Premo.
You're still downplaying Dre. 50 had "Wanksta", which was nowhere near as big as "In Da Club". Same machine behind him. 50 has had other #1 songs, but neither were "In Da Club" and the same machine was behind him. Game still blew up with a Dre record.
Bubba Sparxxx and Yelawolf were both white, had the Interscope machine, and a Black co-sign and only a fraction of the success of Eminem.
Nobody's playing semantics. You're clearly downplaying Dre to big up Premo.
I was bamboozled my man. I read on Wikipedia he moved when he was a teenager. I should’ve known better.
His Grandparents lived in BK, so he used to spend Summers there
I'm saying Premo is #1 because he does all his work himself.
Your defense of Dre is how he blew people up. I refute that by pointing out Dre is not the sole factor in those successes. He has plenty of failures as well, but I'm not trying to completely tear Dre down.
Dre is great, but IMO Premier is the greatest.
And my point is none of them do this by themselves. Premo is even on record saying Jay could've got a production credit for "A Million And One" because he came to the studio with his own ideas. It was his idea to have the beat switch.
Dre didn't blow people up. He produced artists. Not saying Premo didn't. What I'm telling you is Dre produced iconic artists and albums across 4 decades. He's GOAT because no other Hip Hop producer can say they did that.
Semantics again. You know damn well what he meant, as in Jay might have had a sample in mind or something. You know damn well Jay didn't touch a button, pad or knob and Premo put it all together. He still did all the work himself. Stop it. Let's just agree to disagree.