Prime D Rose Vs. Prime Steph Curry Vs. Prime Westbrook

[Trapperman Dave]

The Bulls were winning less than 50 games with Skiles. I believe they peaked with a 47 win season. Bulls won 62 games in Rose’s MVP season. The following season, they again had the best record in the league. I know, Rose missed games that season. The narrative is the Bulls didn’t miss a beat without Rose. In the 2011-12 season, the Bulls were 32-7 with Rose and 16-9 without him.

We had VDN before thibs took over

 

[Illuminatos]

Mitchell n simmons looking like they will

Utah was already a 50 win playoff team last year and Embiid is the best player on the Sixers, not Simmons.

 

[Emoryal]

Utah was already a 50 win playoff team last year and Embiid is the best player on the Sixers, not Simmons.

They lost Hayward and Gobert was out for a lot of the season tho

 

[Kairi Irving]

Westbrook is obviously the worst...i choose Curry because of his shooting.

 

[Draje]

David Lee was nowhere near a bum though.

If David Lee is your 2nd best player, you're not gonna make a run in a stacked west

 

[Wiirdo]

Curry
Wade
Westbrook

 

[010101]

Curry >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>





An athletic anomaly with a poor outside shot, average passing skills, and tunnel vision. How you gonna call yourself an all-time great PG when you aren't great in any of the most essential pg skills? And did he have a defining playoff game past the first round? (Maybe that blowout win against the Hawks in the 2nd round?)

Why don't you think he had reached his peak? He had plenty of time to improve his three and never did, he had plenty of time to become a better passer and never did. Those are both skills he could have developed even with the injuries, but he chose to rely on his athleticism instead. How would his "peak" have looked any different than what he already showed?

The 2011 Bulls were the perfect situation for DRose to get shine - he was asked to focus on all the things he did best with teammates/coaching who minimized his weaknesses, and they won enough games that it provided the necessary excuse for a league desperate to manufacture a feel-good story rather than give Bron another MVP.


Russ and Rose are both elite players with serious weaknesses who have never been able to carry their team when it mattered. In fact, they have the same damn weaknesses - they never developed their outside shot, they don't make the best decisions, and their commitment to defense is sketchy. They aren't in Curry's league.

right

sure chef or brodie would've done the same things at 22 on that bulls squad drose did

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[MooseMouthMthafuga]

I'd rank em(Back in 2011)

Westbrook
Rose
Curry


Prime/present day

Curry
Westbrook
Rose


We never saw a prime Rose.He was still green bananas.I know he won the MVP

But even that year, he didn't surpass what I was seeing from Westbrook at the time

He was the most valuable to his team, so he won the award.I think the NBA was eager

promote him as the next mega star..That Chicago sports market is a major one.

I don't know what he would've became.Every generation has to suffer it's "Penny Hardaway"

I'm just saying, at the time, MVP Rose wasn't nicer than Westbrook IMO.If anything, they was even steven.

If we;re speaking "prime", it's unfair to Rose.Current Westbrook/Curry>>>MVP Rose.

The man was robbed of his potential.

 

[Illuminatos]

2011 Bulls wee one of the deepest teams in the league. I remember Bulls fans talking up the "Bench Mob" all season. Revisionist history has them acting like it was Rose carrying bums. That defense was just as important as Rose.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

right

sure chef or brodie would've done the same things at 22 on that bulls squad drose did

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Why does that matter?

"Got a gentleman's sweep in the ECF at the age of 22" isn't the measure of a player. Rose relied primarily on his athleticism, he was already close to his peak at 22. Westbrook was no different, he was scoring 43 in a Finals game at 22. Curry took longer to peak especially due to the nagging injuries early in his career (though like I pointed out he outplayed Rose head-to-head more often than not), but a later peak don't mean a lesser one.

Kiki Vandeweghe and Kelly Tripucka were 25-30ppg players at the age of 23, so I guess they were greater than Larry Bird and Dirk who took slightly longer to peak.

 

[010101]

Why does that matter?

"Got a gentleman's sweep in the ECF at the age of 22" isn't the measure of a player. Rose relied primarily on his athleticism, he was already close to his peak at 22. Westbrook was no different, he was scoring 43 in a Finals game at 22. Curry took longer to peak especially due to the nagging injuries early in his career (though like I pointed out he outplayed Rose head-to-head more often than not), but a later peak don't mean a lesser one.

Kiki Vandeweghe and Kelly Tripucka were 25-30ppg players at the age of 23, so I guess they were greater than Larry Bird and Dirk who took slightly longer to peak.

and what would that peak have amounted to if his team had remained a bottom of the league team

if the franchise remained in disarray and the coaching was below standard

chef peaked right in stride with all the pieces around him franchise/coaching/team etc.

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[Draje]

and what would that peak have amounted to if his team had remained a bottom of the league team

if the franchise remained in disarray and the coaching was below standard

chef peaked right in stride with all the pieces around him franchise/coaching/team etc.

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Who cares how early or late someone peaks when one peak is obviously higher?

Compare Rose's best to Curry's best and it's not even close. Rose isn't even an average shooter, defender, or playmaker NOW with all the years of experience he has so we all know that he wasn't that great before. He was mostly god-given physical talent. He'd young Lebron if Lebron wasn't in an entirely different stratosphere in terms of basketball IQ.

Throw Curry in a weak ass East with a bunch of tough ass and versatile defenders, they make it exactly where the Bulls did. Getting ass-whooped by the Big 3 Heat in the playoffs.

MVP Curry is still on an entirely different level in terms of impact in 5v5 NBA basketball. His range, shooting, ability to stretch the floor, draw fouls, and basketball IQ is worth far more than Rose.

 

[010101]

Who cares how early or late someone peaks when one peak is obviously higher?

Compare Rose's best to Curry's best and it's not even close. Rose isn't even an average shooter, defender, or playmaker NOW with all the years of experience he has so we all know that he wasn't that great before. He was mostly god-given physical talent. He'd young Lebron if Lebron wasn't in an entirely different stratosphere in terms of basketball IQ.

Throw Curry in a weak ass East with a bunch of tough ass and versatile defenders, they make it exactly where the Bulls did. Getting ass-whooped by the Big 3 Heat in the playoffs.

MVP Curry is still on an entirely different level in terms of impact in 5v5 NBA basketball. His range, shooting, ability to stretch the floor, draw fouls, and basketball IQ is worth far more than Rose.

ok*

 

[EarlyEarly]

I'm taking 400 made threes in a season over anything the other guys have done.

Then Rose then Westbrook.

 

[Po pimp]

We had VDN before thibs took over

2011 Bulls wee one of the deepest teams in the league. I remember Bulls fans talking up the "Bench Mob" all season. Revisionist history has them acting like it was Rose carrying bums. That defense was just as important as Rose.

How many games did the Bulls win those two years Rose didn’t play? Thibs and the bench mob were just as valuable to the Bulls success, so there shouldn’t have been a drop off, right? Nate Robinson and DJ Augustin picked up where Rose left off