Prime Kobe or Current Lebron

[Poitier]

Whatever works for you bruh. You're the one crafting some narrative around swarming defenses needed to stop Kobe as if Bron doesn't require the same attention while being the more dangerous passer

He doesn't. Show me a defense guarding Kobe like the Spurs and Pacer in 2013?

 

[Remote]

the fukk? i did not say that brah. I said he takes higher percentage shots than Kobe, finds more openings and generally does not force shots in anyway.


And I'd love to know how many easy points he gets in transition EVERY GAME because I know he's the one finishing all those fast breaks. You dont think that shyt piles up in terms of % points?

This is what gets me...

First, the arguments boil down to people just liking the way Kobe plays the game. Fair enough. He's exciting to watch. I'll gladly give people that.

But now it comes down to Lebron not being on Kobe's level because he takes good shots. Even though on an overall basis (and by the way, numbers tend to even out over time...you know..this is why small sample sizes get lambasted so often)...even though on an overall basis, they're basically putting up equal numbers.

Imma just let this circle jerk continue without me.

Both are great players.
But some of these stans (on both sides) are pathetic and incapable of objective debate and critique.

 

[KOBE]

This is what gets me...

First, the arguments boil down to people just liking the way Kobe plays the game. Fair enough. He's exciting to watch. I'll gladly give people that.

But now it comes down to Lebron not being on Kobe's level because he takes good shots. Even though on an overall basis (and by the way, numbers tend to even out over time...you know..this is why small sample sizes get lambasted so often)...even though on an overall basis, they're basically putting up equal numbers.

Imma just let this circle jerk continue without me.

Both are great players.
But some of these stans (on both sides) are pathetic and incapable of objective debate and critique.

See this is what gets me. Kobe has had a lot more success, in a far harder conference, throughout his whole career than Lebron and yet you guys never point to those numbers. Oh wait those are TEAMS stats...but I thought Kobe was supposed to be the terrible teammate that always hinders his team rather than lifts it up on his shoulders? shyt nikka, some stuff just dont add up eh? It was always the team, until Lebron got the best team in the league and still lost as many finals in 4 tries that kobe did in 7(and that's not including that pathetic excuse of a series in 2007).

So if Lebron is so great, his numbers so amazing, his ability to elevate his teammates so incredible...then why hasn't he had more success than he's had? What exactly am I missing...or are you about to tell me that Kobe still had just that much better of a supporting cast.

I wonder how differently Lebron's career would have been had he been placed in the other conference, where teams actually compete to make the plaoyffs instead of get out of it. Before you try to bring up how the East is worse now than it was a decade ago...it wasn't really all that much better a decade ago...nor has it really been all that great since Jordan left.

 

[Remote]

See this is what gets me. Kobe has had a lot more success, in a far harder conference, throughout his whole career than Lebron and yet you guys never point to those numbers. Oh wait those are TEAMS stats...but I thought Kobe was supposed to be the terrible teammate that always hinders his team rather than lifts it up on his shoulders? shyt nikka, some stuff just dont add up eh? It was always the team, until Lebron got the best team in the league and still lost as many finals in 4 tries that kobe did in 7(and that's not including that pathetic excuse of a series in 2007).

So if Lebron is so great, his numbers so amazing, his ability to elevate his teammates so incredible...then why hasn't he had more success than he's had? What exactly am I missing...or are you about to tell me that Kobe still had just that much better of a supporting cast.

I wonder how differently Lebron's career would have been had he been placed in the other conference, where teams actually compete to make the plaoyffs instead of get out of it. Before you try to bring up how the East is worse now than it was a decade ago...it wasn't really all that much better a decade...nor has it really been all that great since Jordan left.

More success than he's had?
The motherfukker has 2 rings, 4 MVPs and 2 Finals MVPs. How much more success do you want?

And why do you casually dismiss Kobe's teammates like it aint nothing?
Did Lebron play with the most dominant fukkin Center since Wilt with arguably the best coach of all-time?

I'm not saying Lebron is better or worse.
I'm saying he's right on par with Kobe as far as greatness goes...but they're different types of players.

Why can't Kobe fans understand that you can be an amazing talent without trashing teammates, playing with swagger and being on 1 team for your entire career?

So the Heat lost to the Spurs this year. Big deal. The Spurs were a great team with great depth.
Let's not put championships on 1 man's shoulders like any 1 man has ever elevated his entire team to a championship. Has never happened. Never will.

It wasn't true with Jordan.
It wasn't true with Kobe.
It's not true with Lebron.

 

[KOBE]

More success than he's had?
The motherfukker has 2 rings, 4 MVPs and 2 Finals MVPs. How much more success do you want?

And why do you casually dismiss Kobe's teammates like it aint nothing?
Did Lebron play with the most dominant fukkin Center since Wilt with arguably the best coach of all-time?

I'm not saying Lebron is better or worse.
I'm saying he's right on par with Kobe as far as greatness goes...but they're different types of players.

Why can't Kobe fans understand that you can be an amazing talent without trashing teammates, playing with swagger and being on 1 team for your entire career?

So the Heat lost to the Spurs this year. Big deal. The Spurs were a great team with great depth.
Let's not put championships on 1 man's shoulders like any 1 man has ever elevated his entire team to a championship. Has never happened. Never will.

It wasn't true with Jordan.
It wasn't true with Kobe.
It's not true with Lebron.

Oh right, that's the type of success that matters. That INDIVIDUAL recognition.

I never dismissed shyt, I was talking about 2008-2011 Lakers and dont be coming here comparing those nikkas, as great and fukking amazing as they were, to what the Heat had these past few years. Pau Gasol was an elite big man with a unique skill set that set him apart from other bigs, but after that there was a pretty big drop off in talent even to Odom whose success came a lot due to the system he was in(because that nikka jumped off a cliff after he left LA). and the teammates he had.

And damn man, I aint even hating Lebron. This is a comparison thread, im just answering the question which was: "Is prime Kobe as good as 30 year old Lebron" which I find quite ridiculous. I'm not taking anyway anything from Lebron, but the stat geeks get on my nerves because I know they're not watching the same game I'm watching. Lebron has astounding court vision and it allows him to score easy baskets, that doesn't make him a better scorer than Kobe like some of these people are suggesting. the guy shoots wide open threes..that doesn't mean he's a better three pointer shooter than Kobe(my god if was getting open threes at any point in the last decade he would have been raining it from downtown like it was the olympics).


And btw, Lebron did play the most dominant big man since Wilt. Just wasnt the same nikka.

 

[Remote]

Oh right, that's the type of success that matters. That INDIVIDUAL recognition.

I never dismissed shyt, I was talking about 2008-2011 Lakers and dont be coming here comparing those nikkas, as great and fukking amazing as they were, to what the Heat had these past few years. Pau Gasol was an elite big man with a unique skill set that set him apart from other bigs, but after that there was a pretty big drop off in talent even to Odom whose success came a lot due to the system he was in(because that nikka jumped off a cliff after he left LA). and the teammates he had.

And damn man, I aint even hating Lebron. This is a comparison thread, im just answering the question which was: "Is prime Kobe as good as 30 year old Lebron" which I find quite ridiculous. I'm not taking anyway anything from Lebron, but the stat geeks get on my nerves because I know they're not watching the same game I'm watching. Lebron has astounding court vision and it allows him to score easy baskets, that doesn't make him a better scorer than Kobe like some of these people are suggesting. the guy shoots wide open threes..that doesn't mean he's a better three pointer shooter than Kobe(my god if was getting open threes at any point in the last decade he would have been raining it from downtown like it was the olympics).


And btw, Lebron did play the most dominant big man since Wilt. Just wasnt the same nikka.

That's always the argument....in any sport.
"The numbers guys don't watch the games"




@ Just wasn't the same Shaq.

 

[fifth column]

um? They do not take the same type of shots. Do you people ever actually watch Lebron play? This is no knock against him, I actually think he's smart in this regard, but the guy will NOT shoot unless he's wide open, can get open, or can drive to the basket. He's not the type of player to try to take a shot of any type of difficulty, he prefers easy transition layups, open midrange jumpers, open threes, etc. If he cant find one he'll pass around and wait until he is open. He does not try to forcefully take over games like Kobe can and when he does, like he did in the finals this year, he cannot maintain for the game as he wears out.

Lebron takes high percentage shots, which is why he shoots a high percentage. he is not a better shooter than kobe, he's not a better scorer than Kobe, but he is a better opportunist than Kobe and he finds holes quicker than Kobe(as he is also quicker/stronger which allows him to exploit the defense a lot easier).

Lebron is not quicker than Prime Kobe. Lebron is head of steam faster in a straight line.

 

[DosCadenaz]

Kobe plays in the Western Conference. the Eastern Conference sucks. Kobe

 

[QuintessentialBM]

You guys need to start ignoring these Ruben Patterson, Raja Bell and Bruce Bowen n***as, ASAP.

Magic gave his commentary
Bird gave his commentary
Jordan gave his commentary

Why continue to argue when the top 3 players of the golden age says "the one that needs not be named" is better. No one should care about LeJester going back home.

 

[ISO]

Oh my fukking god Kobe actually won this poll are you fukking kidding me? The Coli doesn't know anything about basketball apparently.

 

[ISO]

Prime Kobe would have 3 peated and possibly 4peated with the heat squad bron had

How the fukk would he do that when LeBron is a better playoff performer than Kobe?

 

[lutha]

bron, easily...to me he's a better all round player....

 

[ISO]

All this talk about conferences is silly, LeBron didn't play on stacked teams in a weak conference, he played on weak teams in a weak conference. Which makes talking conferences irrelevant.

 

[ISO]

To say LeBron only takes wide open shots is laughable, please get a synergy subscription that tracks all of LeBron's jumpers and watch the videos he takes everything from fades, to drifters, to post fades, to contested shots out of face up situations. Wtf are some of you nikkas even talking about.

Prime Kobe's a better shooter than LeBron that's where it ends.

 

[ltheghost]

As much as I hated fukkING Kobe Bryant......Prime Kobe...... Until Bron hits 81 on the Raptors...he ain't fukking with Prime Kobe.