Again I'm not diminishing Terry he was big, but do any you on this board consider him a major superstar or even the face of any franchise?
Prime Kobe >>>>> Prime LeBron
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Again I'm not diminishing Terry he was big, but do any you on this board consider him a major superstar or even the face of any franchise?
The point is Nash is considered one of the top PGs ever and Dirk played with him. It's not like he just magically transformed into that over the summer of 04.
Obviously the ability had to be there. I could see if there was like a 5 year gap or some shyt, time for him to grow and develop. But this nikka Nash went from Dirk's teammate to challenging 70 wins and leading the L in assists within a year.People need to get up off that argument because it's silly. You don't have to be a superstar for other teams to have to account for you or to take pressure off of the star. Is Danny Green a superstar? The Heat damn sure had to account for him and he freed up Duncan pretty good those last couple of games. Actual performance >>>>> reputation/status/or previous performance. To win a title you need nikkas that can step up around you. More often than not those guys will be stars but there have been plenty of examples of role players stepping up. It's not like Dirk was putting up 40 and 20 every night. He played well not doubt but he needed those other guys ot step up and Lebron to step down to get that title and it's unlikely he'll ever get another one, unless some stars decide to join him in Dallas. You can get by with role players for one run but nobody has ever stacked rings without a fellow star.
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I can't tell if these cats are trolling or if they're truly this delusional anymore. 
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Intentionally slept on post that shuts down all that nonsense about Shaq clearly bein the best player on the team who's coattails Kobe supposedly rode.
Yeah, Kobe didn't do anything. Those numbers are being handed to him.
Bulls finished 33–49. Yeah, that is ring chasing.
Finals MVP is voted on by the media, men lie women lie numbers don't and those stats show Kobe had the better postseason.Show me the Finals MVP of that year
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You can play semantics all you want bottom line LeBron went to rival superstar D-Wade's team along wit all star Bosh and still came up small in the finals the first year before finally winnin in a lockout shortened season, meanwhile Kobe spent his prime strugglin thru the Luke Walton era instead of pullin a LeBron and teamin up wit his superstar rival AI and Melo.do you know wtf ring chasing is
shaq 2008-11 was a ring chaser. When your not a serviceable player anymore and all u wanna do is be a bench warmer on a championship caliber team. You think being the best player on your team that wins the title is equivalent to ring chasing?
he's playing for a ring, he isn't ring chasing. fkn idiot
The only thing yall haters can point to is him losin a first round game 7 as a 8th seed against the best in the West Suns while Kwame Brown was his teammate, completely ignorin the fact the only reason there was a game 7 in the first place is cause of Kobe makin clutch game tyin/winnin shots.
Ive seen many use this finals against the spurs as an argument for Lebron being superior to Kobe but I can't see a team leaving Any version of Kobe wide open from midrange and 3 point range in a series/Finals like lebron was against the Spurs. Teams simply cant Ever concede that shot to Kobe and that's why he is very difficult to single cover in the 15-18 foot area, which opens scoring opportunities for all of his teammates.
It is no accident that Pau Gasol's efficiency has skyrocketed since joining the Lakers(Look at how his shooting tanked When Kobe went down With the Achilles injury) or that career journeymen like Trevor Ariza and Shannon Brown suddenly become much more productive playing alongside Bryant. Lamar odom has been an absolute Bumb since leaving LA, a big reason for that is he can't feast off Kobe double/triple teams anymore
His teammates know that they are going to be wide open and they know exactly when and where they will be open and they know that Bryant is a willing passer, so all they have to focus on is knocking down wide open shots. I mean derek fishers entire "Clutch" legacy can be summed up into one sentence: "Making wide open 3's While teams Pay attention To Kobe"
It is no accident that Pau Gasol's efficiency has skyrocketed since joining the Lakers(Look at how his shooting tanked When Kobe went down With the Achilles injury) or that career journeymen like Trevor Ariza and Shannon Brown suddenly become much more productive playing alongside Bryant. Lamar odom has been an absolute Bumb since leaving LA, a big reason for that is he can't feast off Kobe double/triple teams anymore
His teammates know that they are going to be wide open and they know exactly when and where they will be open and they know that Bryant is a willing passer, so all they have to focus on is knocking down wide open shots. I mean derek fishers entire "Clutch" legacy can be summed up into one sentence: "Making wide open 3's While teams Pay attention To Kobe"
yea because lebron only takes wide open threes he KNOWS he'll make. lebron is not as effective at putting points on the board, thats a joke. lebron couldnt score 81 if his life depended on it, will never have a 35 ppg season, and kobe, even todays out of prime kobe would never be caught dead scoring under 20 points in three straight finals games LOL
The point is Nash is considered one of the top PGs ever and Dirk played with him. It's not like he just magically transformed into that over the summer of 04.
People need to get up off that argument because it's silly. You don't have to be a superstar for other teams to have to account for you or to take pressure off of the star. Is Danny Green a superstar? The Heat damn sure had to account for him and he freed up Duncan pretty good those last couple of games. Actual performance >>>>> reputation/status/or previous performance. To win a title you need nikkas that can step up around you. More often than not those guys will be stars but there have been plenty of examples of role players stepping up. It's not like Dirk was putting up 40 and 20 every night. He played well not doubt but he needed those other guys ot step up and Lebron to step down to get that title and it's unlikely he'll ever get another one, unless some stars decide to join him in Dallas. You can get by with role players for one run but nobody has ever stacked rings without a fellow star.
holmes yea Nash's talent was there but it didn't start clicking till after he left the Mavericks go to Wikipedia and look at all of Nash's accomplishments pretty much after he left the Mav's.And you say the can't be used but How many Titles did Wade Win post Shaq pre Lebron? How Many titles did Chris Bosh win in Toronto? How many Rings did LeBron win in Cleveland?
I agree that with decent role players mixed with nice timing can make a run and win a title ( The Mavs proved that) but even yourself is admitting that to win multiple ships you have to have more then one star on the squad.
I honestly think the Danny Green situation was more of the heat underestimating/ not expecting that more then having to account for him, Green pretty much disappeared the last 2 games of the series.
If Dirk had a prime Shaq a prime Kobe a Prime Lebron a Prime Wade, mixed with some decent roll players how many rings does Dirk have?
And you say the can't be used but How many Titles did Wade Win post Shaq pre Lebron? How Many titles did Chris Bosh win in Toronto? How many Rings did LeBron win in Cleveland?
I agree that with decent role players mixed with nice timing can make a run and win a title ( The Mavs proved that) but even yourself is admitting that to win multiple ships you have to have more then one star on the squad.
I honestly think the Danny Green situation was more of the heat underestimating/ not expecting that more then having to account for him, Green pretty much disappeared the last 2 games of the series.
If Dirk had a prime Shaq a prime Kobe a Prime Lebron a Prime Wade, mixed with some decent roll players how many rings does Dirk have?
Admitted? That's my entire premise. Of course Dirk would have more team success if he he had better teammates. Every player would. That is why it's stupid to judge players by rings when you clearly need others to get them.
You must forgive me. From the way you were talking about Dirk I thought you were one of those "See Dirk was able to win a ring without a HOfer so that's how everybody should try to do it, despite the fact that it's far from the norm or the most successful way to go about getting rings." ass nikkas.
this is the same idiot that said lebrons prime is not even close to kobes prime
coaches and broadcasters are always mentioning that lebrons scouting report is like a book. Every player is diff. You can't expect kobe to receive the same kind of defensive attention lebron receives and vice versa.
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damn, great argument.....jk
kobe did more for threepeat lakers than bron is doing for the heatles in his prime LOL
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Stop with the excuses. Name 1 other elite perimeter player that gets a 4-5 ft cushion for jump shots.
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Did Prime Kobe ever go ring chase and form the SuperFags?
No but that's just because he has no friends
Lebron is still in his prime. How about you troll when he pasts his prime
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It's pretty normal to encourage teams to take jump shots. They'd do it for Kobe too but since he's dumb enough to take the same low percentage shots when he has defenders draped all over him, they might as well throw hands in his face too.
Say all you want about what Kobe would do with open looks but don't pretend that LeBron wouldn't destroy the defensive strategies that bottle up Kobe
