Probox TV, Zuffa Boxing and other smaller Cards, Official Boxing Thread

[TheNig]

Opetaia is good people, but why are you acting like phone calls, emails and crossing t's and dotting i 's isn't unequivocally the most important aspect when it comes to contracts, negotiations and business relationships?

Who in their fukking right mind wouldn't be weary of the most unscrupulous promoter on the planet?

You make your bed, you lay in it.

Denigrate the IBF all you want, but if you're attempting to argue they're in the wrong here then you're either short sighted or not objective in any sense.

Once again, you can argue it to the moon, sure, these sanctioning bodies aren't perfect in any SENSE. But they are not THE PROMOTER! DANA WHITE IS A PROMOTER, ZUFFA BELT IS HIS PROMOTIONAL COMPANY.

This new power structure is exactly what the ALI act is in place to protect? When the actual promoter gives out the belts entirely, there's no power for the fighters and managers? Having a range of sanctioning bodies gives the boxers the power to move around, they choose their destiny, not the promoter. Retards everywhere can't comprehend this, it's so fukking simple?

Why are people so reluctant to admit this is the worst thing that has happened to boxing since the 1920's?

I actually agree with you. But we've seen these orgs move real nasty for 100 years, so they're not without fault.

My biggest problem is what will happen when this honeymoon stage is over.

In ten years, if this turns out in favor of Zuffa and there's this monopoly on the sport where everything runs thru a singular entity, what's to stop White from implementing the same fukked up pay structure that he has with UFC? Apparently this is why Hitch is skeptical and why Big Baby Miller said no.

And you can't use the Benn contract as an example because that's for one fight only.

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

In ten years, if this turns out in favor of Zuffa and there's this monopoly on the sport where everything runs thru a singular entity, what's to stop White from implementing the same fukked up pay structure that he has with UFC?

We don't even need to debate this, it's entirely the reason behind Zuffa/Ring/Saudi investment fund and has been the objective from the start?

Saudi Arabia is patiently buying sport globally, it's a 30 year plan. The first person Donald Trump called when he won office for a second term was
Mohammed bin Salman Al Saud aka Crown Prince. Saudi Arabia as of 2025 holds 135 billion dollars in USA Treasury debt.

This is not conspiracy theorist, this is just what it is. White is embedded with both Saudi investment & USA investment via the Trump administration and Turki Alishikh/Crown Prince.

Zuffa is just a rouse for sports privatisation and ultimately political and economical control.

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

I actually agree with you. But we've seen these orgs move real nasty for 100 years, so they're not without fault.

Absolutely! Nobody can argue otherwise, and I'm certainly not one to suggest they aren't, and haven't been unscrupulous in a myriad of ways. shyt the IBF is only strict and regimented because they were investigated and charged with corruption. The WBC are clearly compromised in a range of ways, but also beneficial for fighters in a range of ways.

But the point remains, these sanctioning bodies, even however fraught and contentious, they provide dexterity for fighters, and for the most part, the semblance of an independence away from the networks, promoters and conmen.

Once there's a direct connection between the promoter and a belt/singular entity, then it's kaput, then everyone is on wage. That's just economics.

 

[Deafheaven]

Absolutely! Nobody can argue otherwise, and I'm certainly not one to suggest they aren't, and haven't been unscrupulous in a myriad of ways. shyt the IBF is only strict and regimented because they were investigated and charged with corruption. The WBC are clearly compromised in a range of ways, but also beneficial for fighters in a range of ways.

But the point remains, these sanctioning bodies, even however fraught and contentious, they provide dexterity for fighters, and for the most part, the semblance of an independence away from the networks, promoters and conmen.

Once there's a direct connection between the promoter and a belt/singular entity, then it's kaput, then everyone is on wage. That's just economics.

its really sick what they tryna do. from what I gather they are trying to make a "floor" for pay for boxers because they are saying what about the jobber making 1k on a card which true. make the floor 20k. okay cool but then they put a ceiling on shyt too and that is when anyone with any critical thinking can see they just want to put them on trash deals like the ufc.

plus the whole zuffa promotion is ever more sterilized than a saudi card. shyt is horrid

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

its really sick what they tryna do. from what I gather they are trying to make a "floor" for pay for boxers because they are saying what about the jobber making 1k on a card which true. make the floor 20k. okay cool but then they put a ceiling on shyt too and that is when anyone with any critical thinking can see they just want to put them on trash deals like the ufc.

plus the whole zuffa promotion is ever more sterilized than a saudi card. shyt is horrid

That's a good point regarding floor for jobbers. You can certainly argue the case that there's comparisons that can be made between non elite fighters in both boxing ranks and UFC ranks for example. Nevertheless that's a hard bridge to cross in any sport, let alone boxing. Tennis or golf for example have similar disparities. I'm not saying that makes it any better, just that sport across the line really is only economically advantageous to a small percentile, most athletes across the globe aren't caking, but that's slightly beside the point, when there's money to be made, traditionally boxers in the sport of boxing make a lot out of prize fights.

But as you said, it doesn't take a Rhodes scholar to read the play / long term strategy.

 

[Deafheaven]

That's a good point regarding floor for jobbers. You can certainly argue the case that there's comparisons that can be made between non elite fighters in both boxing ranks and UFC ranks for example. Nevertheless that's a hard bridge to cross in any sport, let alone boxing. Tennis or golf for example have similar disparities. I'm not saying that makes it any better, just that sport across the line really is only economically advantageous to a small percentile, most athletes across the globe aren't caking, but that's slightly beside the point, when there's money to be made, traditionally boxers in the sport of boxing make a lot out of prize fights.

But as you said, it doesn't take a Rhodes scholar to read the play / long term strategy.

ufc is built on basically raping their fighter base. I think their profit share is like 11% or something preposterous.

Would I want the lower level boxers to make more ofc, but it is what it is. Its complicated...but I would rather the best of the best have the ability to make 20 million than they be capped at say 5 mill and a prelim fighter is now making 10k.

These pinnacle talents deserve to make as much as possible fukk it. A big reason the ufc is dogshyt now is because who in their right mind is going to sign up for a 12k/12k show/win AFTER you grinded enough to be in the premier organization

 

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