Producer Curtis King breaks down how Timbaland and AI platform SUNO are stealing original beats from unknown producers to train their AI model.

[Why-Fi]

There are legit use cases, especially if you're a writer.

I've used old vocals of mine, vocals of my mom 20 some odd years ago at a Christmas party. You can hum/scat your own melodies, instruments, anything you actually made to then apply the tools to. I wrote like two songs for a friend of mind and sent her a reference track with generated vocals to see how it should sound.

Young Guru has the most sober take on all of this, the shyt isn't going anywhere, it's not inherently bad and again, plenty of legit use cases but before it gets completely out of hand some conversations need to be had.

i got one joint finished in all my time of using it (and a bunch of ideas). i let suno write over my beats and it took a couple dozen generations of which i selected 4. stemmed the vocals out from those 4, trashed whatever they were doing to my beat, horn solos and stutter steps and all that. chopped and arranged the vocals into a quick and dirty piece. arranged my own shyt around the vocals, basically produced the record. it was just like working with an artist that aint hard headed. fun but that one took me a whole weekend. i dont feel a way about using it like that because i cant sing

 

[King Sun]

What was the name of that female he was producing during COVID? The beats he was putting her on sounded terrible too . Timbaland is what y'all think RZA is when ti comes to fall offs beat wise

 

[RennisDeynolds]

Timbaland is an unscrupulous piece of shyt these days.

 

[SunZoo]

What was the name of that female he was producing during COVID? The beats he was putting her on sounded terrible too . Timbaland is what y'all think RZA is when ti comes to fall offs beat wise

Tink? lol

 

[JustCKing]

This is exactly why lesson known & talented producers got fukked over by the gatekeepers and head honchos. Imagine having your own unique sound that everyone will love, but you gotta go though someone that's already a top dog in the industry to get it out there and give them credit.

Tell me how you're making sense. He didn't have to go through Timbaland. Timbaland NEVER took credit from Danja. R E A D:

Early on people mislabeled you as his ghost producer but your name was on the records. Were you ever a ghost producer for Tim?

I can say from “I’m so Fly On” my name was on the records. I didn’t do anything I didn’t get credit for. I got my publishing and everything. Tim is active in the studio. He makes the beats, he doesn’t need me to make a beat for him. Never that. I think people do sometimes mistake when I got with him and get credit for things I had NOTHING to do with it. I’ve heard people mistake me being around for “Dirt Off Your Shoulders” but I wasn’t anywhere around Tim back then. Our era begins in 2004.”

 

[King Sun]

Tink? lol

Nah it was another teeny booper. I think Justine Sky was her name buf the beats he made sounded like fisher price.

 

[Awesome Wells]

dudes been stealing music forever so i guess it was always gonna keep happening, it's just so disheartening that now you might not really even be able to tell because they trained their AI model with your shyt instead of outright stealing it.

nasty work, fukk tim - if he's willing to show something this blatant then...

Facts.

Most people don’t know because he was a household name for a minute, so you assume the people at that level in their careers don’t steal. But anybody's that been close to dude in music, or around in any kind of way, has always known that he's been stealing forever. When Danja and Tim had issues around '07, Danja said he needed to go "build his own" legacy, instead of "protecting" other people's. He said "a lot" of his music was being credited to other people and he needed to step out and get the credit he deserved for his talent. That's when he started his own company.

Keri Hilson had a joint called "Happy Juice". It's unreleased. She dropped by the studio to record it, with this dude J, that used to write with her. Danja was there cooking on the MPC 4000 that was always at the studio. He made the beat right there. Later, they threw Snoop and Stat Quo on the track. We sat there and watched the record be made. All Danja. Keri ends up signing with Polow (another thief) AND Tim's labels. Two different labels. When the promo run for the album starts, Tim goes online and says he wants people to hear the track he produced for her called "Happy Juice", lol. So now the public is excited to hear it, but he didn't do anything on that beat.

Danja had to start correcting people and letting them know HE produced that and had 3-4 other joints on the album. Tim was supposed to do the Britney Blackout album, but said he couldn't do it because she had beef with Timberlake. So Danja did it on his own, and once again had to let people know beforehand that Tim didn't have anything to do with it. There's a million cases where Tim got caught lying about stealing, but it goes to show how dirty this business can be. He's just found a new way to do it now.

 

[Redwing80]

I don't agree with what Timbaland is doing, but a lot of peolle on here and in general are still naive and blinded by bias. He isn't stealing from producers. I remember first using Fruityloops and it being pre-loaded with Timbaland's "Try Again". I'm sure Image Line didn't get permission to use that instrumental, but it gave everybody who used Fruityloops access to every sound in that instrumental.

Those familiar with Fruityloops knows you can load any song into it regardless if its copywritten, and you can chop the beat which isolates individual sounds. You could make beats that sounded like the producer of your choice.

I don't agree with Timbaland creating an A.I. artist, but let's not act like Fruityloops didn't give any up and coming producer access to rip off any and every beat without proper credit to the creator.

People won't call it theivery because its only thievery when someone famous does it. All of our favorite producers have been ripped off too.

A nikka like you would be an easy victim for Timbaland and Suno

 

[Standing on business]

A nikka like you would be an easy victim for Timbaland and Suno

nikka done made 20 different excuses in this thread for stealing

 

[McPiff]

Not one of my goats man...

stealing is the worst part, but the second worst is using suno wrong. ive been using it for a couple months and you still have to produce the music, even using your own beats as part of the prompt. it takes as much work to produce with as sampling from vinyl, probably even more. you never just take what it spits out. dude left the tag in it and everything

Suno is a dope tool to work with

 

[RennisDeynolds]

Tink? lol

He did that girl dirty af.

 

[JustCKing]

A nikka like you would be an easy victim for Timbaland and Suno

No, I wouldn't. I have better sense to know not to upload my music to the Internet without having it copywritten first and/or published.

The ones that get got are bedroom beat makers thinking they are producers because they make beats.

 

[JustCKing]

Facts.

Most people don’t know because he was a household name for a minute, so you assume the people at that level in their careers don’t steal. But anybody's that been close to dude in music, or around in any kind of way, has always known that he's been stealing forever. When Danja and Tim had issues around '07, Danja said he needed to go "build his own" legacy, instead of "protecting" other people's. He said "a lot" of his music was being credited to other people and he needed to step out and get the credit he deserved for his talent. That's when he started his own company.

Keri Hilson had a joint called "Happy Juice". It's unreleased. She dropped by the studio to record it, with this dude J, that used to write with her. Danja was there cooking on the MPC 4000 that was always at the studio. He made the beat right there. Later, they threw Snoop and Stat Quo on the track. We sat there and watched the record be made. All Danja. Keri ends up signing with Polow (another thief) AND Tim's labels. Two different labels. When the promo run for the album starts, Tim goes online and says he wants people to hear the track he produced for her called "Happy Juice", lol. So now the public is excited to hear it, but he didn't do anything on that beat.

Danja had to start correcting people and letting them know HE produced that and had 3-4 other joints on the album. Tim was supposed to do the Britney Blackout album, but said he couldn't do it because she had beef with Timberlake. So Danja did it on his own, and once again had to let people know beforehand that Tim didn't have anything to do with it. There's a million cases where Tim got caught lying about stealing, but it goes to show how dirty this business can be. He's just found a new way to do it now.

See this is how I know you are a liar and you got people co-signing it. "Henny and Apple Juice" was NEVER credited to Timbaland. That joint was always Danja same as "Love Ya" which os also unreleased. That song was one of the first she did as a signed artist.

Danja never had to correct anything because he is solely credited for "Knocks Me Down" (the biggest song from Keri's debut) and co-production on "Intuition", "How Does It Feel", "Where Did He Go?" and "Get Your Money Up". All of this is in the liner notes. I can post them proving you are a liar.

Timbaland NEVER announced "Henny And Apple Juice". Keri did. She posted that song, "Love Ya" (produced solely by Danja) and "Where Did He Go?" (produced by Danja and Timbaland on her Myspace page. The first solo song released by Keri Hilson was "Hands & Feet" produced by Danja in 2005 on the soundtrack to the movie Usher played a DJ in.

And again, here you are posting heresay. Timbaland and Danja fell out over the fact that he and Danja were supposed to do the Duran Duran album TOGETHER, but Timbaland only contributed to three tracks that made that album. The rest was Danja solo and Justin Timberlake did one track. Why is Danja credited solo? Why didn't Timbaland "take credit" and leave Danja to produce that album pretty much by himself? That was where the issues started. Timbaland was in the club and Danja was left to his own devices to work on an entire album.

You're lying and people are eating it up.

 

[JustCKing]

And again, people will swear up and down that I'm stanning because I'm going against the narrative they want to push. Yes, this A.I. thing Timbaland is pushing is wack. Still, it is wrong to call someone a theif and push the narrative based off heresay and not facts. Here's some facts from the people that actually worked with him:

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www.complex.com

Danja: "The way me and Tim were working at that time was that he would pick a sample and I would create a loop. When you listen to 'I'm So Fly,' you hear the flutes and the guitar and all that stuff. Those were things that I played. Tim would sample that and put a beat to it in his ASR-10. I was creating samples for him to use that were original records.

"I would play the instruments however I want. I would do a dummy drum beat-because I knew he'd do the drums-and just create everything musically. Then I would take out all of the drums. He would run it through his ASR, sample my loop, and recreate the drums. Then we'd probably add a little more when he got the Protools up.

^^^ this doesn't look like someone taking credit or stealing beats, but a collaborative effort for which both were credited.

 

[JustCKing]

Also. Polow Da Don isn't a thief. He used stock sounds from Garage Band to produce some of his biggest songs, but boasted he was the GOAT producer even calling out producers by name that he felt he was better than. The drums on Fergie's "London Bridge" is all Danja, for which Danja was credited.

He was sued by Garage Band because he was taking parts of pre-loaded beats from the program to produce. To think, posters on here said it was sampling when I pointed out that people were doing the same thing with Fruityloops.