props to asian sprinters - they still tryin

[FabTrey]

You sound like a racist white supremacist. Always wanting to explain #### away by saying its genetics. How about giving the great athletes who dominate their crafts the credit they deserve rather than just saying its because of something they couldn't control.

I'm not gonna slander Usain Bolt or the great Jamaican sprinters and say they are as good as they are because they were born to run fast. I'mma give them credit for the grind they put in for decades and the fact their country and culture has invested so much in the sport.

how's me running faster than cacs without tryin sound like a white supremacist?



i love the fact that we are better athletes in general. i mean i'm super proud of it.


we are just better nikka. i don't care why and i don't care how. i don't believe we try harder to become better athletes. we are just better. no cac will ever be like mike. no cac will ever be like bron. no cac will ever be like bolt. you think cacs are lazy mo fo in basketball? football? i'm sure they tryin. effort is 90% for sure. but they just aren't as athletic as us.

they out populate us. they have more resources. yet they can't compete with us in sports we thrive.

there's a reason why we dominate basketball and football - 2 most popular sports in here. they can't compete with us 100m and 200m globally.
we are clearly better athletes no matter how you slice it. go keep bring up science. eye test don't lie. just look at NBA roster. just look at any position where speed is a key factor.

don't give me that we try harder crap. that's the most retarded thing i've ever heard.
we are just better athletes PERIOD.

 

[FabTrey]

Asians got some strong ### genes. Dude looks almost 100% asian. He just a lil dark skin. Probably could pass a Malaysian.

he's half african half japanese

 

[CoryMack]

It's that Asian efficiency. Soon they'll have it down to an exact science

 

[Swagnificent]

how's me running faster than cacs without tryin sound like a white supremacist?



i love the fact that we are better athletes in general. i mean i'm super proud of it.


we are just better nikka. i don't care why and i don't care how. i don't believe we try harder to become better athletes. we are just better. no cac will ever be like mike. no cac will ever be like bron. no cac will ever be like bolt. you think cacs are lazy mo fo in basketball? football? i'm sure they tryin. effort is 90% for sure. but they just aren't as athletic as us.


there's a reason why we dominate basketball and football - 2 most popular sports in here. they can't compete with us 100m and 200m globally.
we are clearly better athletes no matter how you slice it. go keep bring up science. eye test don't lie. just look at NBA roster. just look at any position where speed is a key factor.

don't give me that we try harder crap. that's the most retarded thing i've ever heard.
we are just better athletes PERIOD.

okay white boy. I'm done debating you.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Nah, you got it twisted. The Africans run barefoot to school. They literally have nothing. Yet, they are the best middle and long distance runners on earth.

Perhaps there's something I am unaware of, but I'm pretty sure you can't point to a single world-class Kenyan/Ethiopian runner who got there without training.


Think about it this way.

From 1900 to 1960, the world record in the marathon was not held by a single African. During that time it was held by White Americans, White Brits, Swedes, Italians, Japanese, Finnish, Korean, and finally a Russian runner, who got the record down to 2:15.

In 1960 an Ethiopian set the marathon world record for the first time, the legendary Abebe Bikila who ran the Olympics barefoot and won. But while he preferred to run barefoot, he was not just some poor kid with nothing - he was living in Addis Ababa, was in the Ethiopian military and was trained by the Swedish coach Onni Niskanen, who had been brought to Ethiopia by the military, for six years before he won his first marathon. He wasn't just some poor malnourished guy from the mountains with no training.

Bikila's record was soon broken by Japanese runners, and then Americans, Brits, Australians, Dutch, and Portuguese, who got it down to 2:07 Another African didn't touch the record until 1988, when Belayneh Dinsamo ran 2:06:50. That was about the time that Africans really had started to fill up the upper ranks, although a Brazilian set the new world record in 1998.


Other distances are similar. No African had held the world record in the 10,000m until the Kenyan Samson Kimobwa in 1977, and that record was broken by Portuguese and Mexicans until another Kenyan took it back in 1993, where it has stayed in African hands ever since.



All of the record-setting Ethiopian and Kenyan runners today are training full-time, wearing the latest high-tech equipment, and have Adidas or Nike sponsorships. Outside of the few training directly with their sponsors, most of them either have Italian coaches or are using training programs that were passed down to them from other runners who had trained with Italian coaches. There are literally hundreds of Kenyan runners competing together in training camps. Can you name a single Tarahumara runner who has had that kind of preparation?

That's not to denigrate how incredible what the African runners do is with their comparitively limited resources. Dennis Kimetto's story is especially interesting because he came onto the scene late...but he was still training full-time with world class runners for two years before he won his first international race.


If runners could make a splash without any training at all, then the East Africans would have taken over the sport long before the 1990s.

 

[mykey]

Perhaps there's something I am unaware of, but I'm pretty sure you can't point to a single world-class Kenyan/Ethiopian runner who got there without training.


Think about it this way.

From 1900 to 1960, the world record in the marathon was not held by a single African. During that time it was held by White Americans, White Brits, Swedes, Italians, Japanese, Finnish, Korean, and finally a Russian runner, who got the record down to 2:15.

In 1960 an Ethiopian set the marathon world record for the first time, the legendary Abebe Bikila who ran the Olympics barefoot and won. But while he preferred to run barefoot, he was not just some poor kid with nothing - he was living in Addis Ababa, was in the Ethiopian military and was trained by the Swedish coach Onni Niskanen, who had been brought to Ethiopia by the military, for six years before he won his first marathon. He wasn't just some poor malnourished guy from the mountains with no training.

Bikila's record was soon broken by Japanese runners, and then Americans, Brits, Australians, Dutch, and Portuguese, who got it down to 2:07 Another African didn't touch the record until 1988, when Belayneh Dinsamo ran 2:06:50. That was about the time that Africans really had started to fill up the upper ranks, although a Brazilian set the new world record in 1998.


Other distances are similar. No African had held the world record in the 10,000m until the Kenyan Samson Kimobwa in 1977, and that record was broken by Portuguese and Mexicans until another Kenyan took it back in 1993, where it has stayed in African hands ever since.



All of the record-setting Ethiopian and Kenyan runners today are training full-time, wearing the latest high-tech equipment, and have Adidas or Nike sponsorships. Outside of the few training directly with their sponsors, most of them either have Italian coaches or are using training programs that were passed down to them from other runners who had trained with Italian coaches. There are literally hundreds of Kenyan runners competing together in training camps. Can you name a single Tarahumara runner who has had that kind of preparation?

That's not to denigrate how incredible what the African runners do is with their comparitively limited resources. Dennis Kimetto's story is especially interesting because he came onto the scene late...but he was still training full-time with world class runners for two years before he won his first international race.


If runners could make a splash without any training at all, then the East Africans would have taken over the sport long before the 1990s.

From 1880 to 1963 Kenya was a British colony. Africans were banned from competing in sport.

Thought you knew that

 

[Professor Emeritus]

From 1880 to 1963 Kenya was a British colony. Africans were banned from competing in sport.

Thought you knew that

That's not true. British colonies in Africa had been forming Olympic committees at least as early as 1950 and sending Africans to the Olympics since 1952 (Ghana, Nigeria).


Even before they gained full independence as a nation, Kenya competed in the 1954 Commonwealth Games (100m, 200m, 110m hurdles, 400m, 400m hurdles, 5000m, 10,000m, high jump, and javelin), the 1956 Olympics (5000m, marathon, and high jump), the 1958 Commonwealth Games, the 1960 Olympics (100m, 200m, 110m hurdles, 400m, 400m hurdles, 5000m, 10000m, and marathon), and the 1962 Commonwealth Games.

And it still wasn't until the 1980s that they began to take over and the 1990s that they really started dominating.

It's not that the British were literally banning the Kenyans. There just wasn't any training, any coaching, any facilities, any recruitment....just like for the Tarahumara in Mexico. There was so little opportunity for Kenyans to train and race that the rest of the world legit didn't even know they were any good. Look at this article in Athletics Weekly from 1953 after Nyandika Maiyoro had a strong but poorly paced performance in the 3 mile event in London.

it was the unusual and unexpected form by some of the coloured runners in the distance races which provided much food for thought. Never again shall we nurse the idea that the coloured races are no good at anything beyond a mile. Maiyoro of Kenya, with as near the perfect action as I have seen, would, with the right training and competition, be a match for any runner in the world.

The British didn't even know that east Africans could run distance well.

That's how much of a hole you're in when your government is racist against you and you don't have access to training.


Then take the fact that NO Kenyan woman got gold in the Olympics until 2008. Ain't that some shyt?


Look, I ain't saying that the Kalenjin people aren't naturally better at running than the rest of the world. They got light skinny legs that are really easy to move, especially around the calves/ankles. But they also grow up at high elevation raise their children in a way that makes them mentally strong. And now they have an impressive culture of running with hundreds of elite runners training together. It takes genetics AND environment AND hard work.

And I ain't saying that it's wrong for the diaspora to be proud of them. They are Black Excellence.

But some people going too hard here with, "It's all the genes, it's all natural, we just naturally better." Like I said, it sounds way too much like what the White Supremacists say, and if you got tunnel vision on that one then you're just setting yourself up for them to throw it back on you in other areas.

 

[Swagnificent]

That's not true. British colonies in Africa had been forming Olympic committees at least as early as 1950 and sending Africans to the Olympics since 1952 (Ghana, Nigeria).


Even before they gained full independence as a nation, Kenya competed in the 1954 Commonwealth Games (100m, 200m, 110m hurdles, 400m, 400m hurdles, 5000m, 10,000m, high jump, and javelin), the 1956 Olympics (5000m, marathon, and high jump), the 1958 Commonwealth Games, the 1960 Olympics (100m, 200m, 110m hurdles, 400m, 400m hurdles, 5000m, 10000m, and marathon), and the 1962 Commonwealth Games.

And it still wasn't until the 1980s that they began to take over and the 1990s that they really started dominating.

It's not that the British were literally banning the Kenyans. There just wasn't any training, any coaching, any facilities, any recruitment....just like for the Tarahumara in Mexico. There was so little opportunity for Kenyans to train and race that the rest of the world legit didn't even know they were any good. Look at this article in Athletics Weekly from 1953 after Nyandika Maiyoro had a strong but poorly paced performance in the 3 mile event in London.



The British didn't even know that east Africans could run distance well.

That's how much of a hole you're in when your government is racist against you and you don't have access to training.


Then take the fact that NO Kenyan woman got gold in the Olympics until 2008. Ain't that some shyt?


Look, I ain't saying that the Kalenjin people aren't naturally better at running than the rest of the world. They got light skinny legs that are really easy to move, especially around the calves/ankles. But they also grow up at high elevation raise their children in a way that makes them mentally strong. And now they have an impressive culture of running with hundreds of elite runners training together. It takes genetics AND environment AND hard work.

And I ain't saying that it's wrong for the diaspora to be proud of them. They are Black Excellence.

But some people going too hard here with, "It's all the genes, it's all natural, we just naturally better." Like I said, it sounds way too much like what the White Supremacists say, and if you got tunnel vision on that one then you're just setting yourself up for them to throw it back on you in other areas.

We agree for once.

Good job with this post.

 

[mykey]

That's not true. British colonies in Africa had been forming Olympic committees at least as early as 1950 and sending Africans to the Olympics since 1952 (Ghana, Nigeria).


Even before they gained full independence as a nation, Kenya competed in the 1954 Commonwealth Games (100m, 200m, 110m hurdles, 400m, 400m hurdles, 5000m, 10,000m, high jump, and javelin), the 1956 Olympics (5000m, marathon, and high jump), the 1958 Commonwealth Games, the 1960 Olympics (100m, 200m, 110m hurdles, 400m, 400m hurdles, 5000m, 10000m, and marathon), and the 1962 Commonwealth Games.

And it still wasn't until the 1980s that they began to take over and the 1990s that they really started dominating.

That's not true at all. Kenyans began dominating athletics in 1968 after independence. The British didn't allow Africans to compete in elite competitions. There was a "color bar" ( the local version of Jim Crow laws) at the time. https://nyti.ms/Oftw1t

 

[Professor Emeritus]

That's not true at all. Kenyans began dominating athletics in 1968 after independence. The British didn't allow Africans to compete in elite competitions. There was a "color bar" ( the local version of Jim Crow laws) at the time. https://nyti.ms/Oftw1t

You're not making any sense. There's literally nothing in that link I disagree with, so I'm not sure why you even posted it.

Black Africans in British territories were training from the Olympics since 1950. Black Kenyans were running in elite international competitions from 1953. I posted exact runners and competitions for you already.

And yes, Kipchoge and Naftali won golds in the 1500m and 10,000m in 1968. That doesn't mean that Kenyans were "dominating athletics". Kenyans didn't dominate distance events until the 1990s.


Marathon: No Kenyan ever held the world record in the marathon until 2003. No Kenyan ever won a gold medal in the marathon until 2008. (heck, no medals of any color until 1988).

10,000m: After that 1968 gold, Kenya never again won the gold in the 10,000m. They didn't even get a bronze in the event until 1984, and the first silver in 1992. The world record bounced between Germans, Ethiopians, Italians, Americans, Portuguese, Koreans, and South Africans until Kenyans/Ethiopians took it over for good about 1993.

5000m: Didn't win their first gold until 1988. From 1964 to 2004 they only won 6 of 44 medals in the event, mostl after 1996. They did better with the world record, but there were still White people from Australia, Finland, Belgium, New Zealand, and Britain who were grabbing the WR up until the mid-1980s.

1500m: After the 1968 gold, didn't win again until 1988. From 1964 to 2004 they only won 7 of 44 medals in the event, again mostly after 1996. A Kenyan has NEVER held the world record in the event - it was mostly White guys until 1985 and Moroccans and an Algerian since.



Dominating athletics isn't just about ability. It takes real training and years of work too. Kenyans didn't even start to dominate distance events until the 1980s, more than 30 years after they began competing at an international level. That ain't no knock, it's just pointing out that it takes time to make that stuff happen. On top of getting real training and systems, not at all unlikely that improved nutrition over time was a factor too.

 

[mykey]

You're not making any sense. There's literally nothing in that link I disagree with, so I'm not sure why you even posted it.

Black Africans in British territories were training from the Olympics since 1950. Black Kenyans were running in elite international competitions from 1953. I posted exact runners and competitions for you already.

And yes, Kipchoge and Naftali won golds in the 1500m and 10,000m in 1968. That doesn't mean that Kenyans were "dominating athletics". Kenyans didn't dominate distance events until the 1990s.

Once again, you've been caught in a lie. Kenyan men have dominated the 3000m steeplechase since 1968


Please don't bother posting another long thesis to try and justify your lies

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Once again, you've been caught in a lie. Kenyan men have dominated the 3000m steeplechase since 1968

Please don't bother posting another long thesis to try and justify your lies

Wait, so there's been ONE event they dominated, and therefore they dominated all distance events.


Even though I posted clear receipts that they didn't dominate any other event until the 1980s.


And posted clear receipts that all the other bullshyt you said was made up too.


And you dared to say, "once again", as if you ain't the one who has been getting caught in all the false statements.




But yes, Kenyans have dominated the steeplechase since 1968. If THAT was the claim you were trying to make, you could have said that from the beginning.

 

[mykey]

Wait, so there's been ONE semi-obscure event they dominated, and therefore they dominated all distance events.

You sound hurt.
Take a chill pill.

 

[---]

Licking my lips about the post I’m about to write.

Stop sleeping on Asian sprinters and Asian sports in general. Just stop. Its 2017 not 1977. Times have changed, people have changed and culture and diets have changed.
The difference between people and races are marginal and we are witnessing the catch up effect in real time.

The Asians are coming; and boy are they about to demolish racial stereotypes in the coming decades.

The main reason Americans and Jamaicans dominate sprinting is two reasons. Firstly they have a culture around sports and performance. Secondly there are incentivized through college scholarships and financial wealth. This previously didn’t exist in many parts of Asia but now does.

Also American and Caribbean sprinters are generational product of their forefathers. The science behind sprinting is immense including the doping part as well. It takes generations of knowledge, understanding, skill and determination to create a sub 10 second sprinter. It doesn’t happen out of thin year but through work and knowledge.

Asian culture previously hasn’t been sporting obsessed nor interested in physical performance. Modern Asian culture has been centred on academics and money making; sports was a pastime. Countries like China, Japan and Korea aren’t that far removed from wars that destroyed their nation. And all these nations have all been interested in rebuilding their nation, rising as a world force than sporting pursuits. There was and has been no interested back then.
Things have changed. Asians are wealthier than ever and Asian governments want to exert their cultural, economic, political and soft power throughout the world; what better avenue than sports.
Asians dominate and do well in weight lifting. Reason being, originally it was weightlifting that was the pinnacle of human athletic performance; which also basically started the doping warfare. But the physical attributes of weightlifting can easily be translated to sprinting. Explosiveness and strength.

China just won the 4x100 medal relay in the last Diamond meet. Fastest 100m youth was once a Japanese kid. Chinese man was broke the 100m hurdle record. Japan came second in 4x100 in the Olympics. Over time they will close the gap and will win gold in 100m in the Olympics.

Mark my words, Asians are long term planners and now they have set their sights on athletics. Japan has 100 year plan for football/soccer. They plan to win the world cup around 2050. Korea and China have something similar.
Even when you look into other nations like Malaysia, Indoenisa, Vietnam, Thailand and so on. Many of their sprinters now run low 10s, like 10.1 or 10.2. These nations themselves will produce sub 10 sprinters within a decade or so.

You can rest of your previous laurels but I warn you, it’s a dangerous game

Everyone has plans countries have plans doesn't mean the plan will be excuted properly. Japan had a plan to be the financial hub of the world and exactly what happened to that.

Yeah diets have changed, but your forgetting the countries with the good diets are still progressing as well. As with the incentive financial that has always been there in a number of Asians counties even in China. After Mao fukked up athletics for everyone!

Your talking about disregarded cultural norms that have been in place for thousands of years. It isn't that simple, the three Asian countries you named have long standing cultures that place emphasis on other things than sports. Throwing money at things doesn't fix them.

Maybe China out of the three powerhouses you mentioned places a greater emphasis on sports because of Confucius ideology which has athletics and general active lifestyle embed in his teachings. That's why there are athletic parks everywhere in China.

The other two it's just a plan doesn't mean it will succeed you need to change the cultural norms and perceptions first and that is a not impossible task but as close as you can get to impossible. Like in the Caribbean sprinting is the equivalent to what Canadians feel about ice hockey. It's culture!

It's simple a greater number of participants doing sports means an increased ratio of finding an Usian bolt in Asian. Not saying there won't be improvements saying until culture perceptions change in a number of Asian countries it's just a plan. Will say this though greatest jump athletics to me in the last 25 years in Asia has been Japanese soccer the J-league didn't exist think 20 years ago and now they put out some top tier athletes.

 

[Lefty Gunz]