Punch Of TDE: "Be Careful What You Ask For, You May Get It''

[Ziggiy]

EXCEPT FOR LUPE....

I never said the man was stupid

 

[Waterproof]

EXCEPT FOR LUPE....

That nikka basically was crying for acknowledgement,

You will respect me

That verse was sad begging a man for attention

 

[SunZoo]

It's kind of funny how Lupe used to rock that I'm a Artist flag early in his career and y'all nikkas was like yes!

Now that Artists shyt he couldn't use after a few albums of his flopped and a Artist Like Kendrick Lamar came and did shyt he wanted to and couldn't he started with I'm a lyricist I only care about lyrics.

Now I'm a hip hop head I love lyrics and can't stand Sucker and Wack Emcees but Lu is doing too much

nikka please, "kendrick has 4 classics"

Lupe's doing too much by saying, Kendrick makes more palatable music but I'm a better wordsmith...that is OBVIOUS, and when Kendrick decided to lay down a challenge to the entire rap game one of the few nikkas to take him up on it was the original good kid from a mad city. Then implying that Lupe somehow veered into some kinda super lyrical lane because he had no other choice, is nonsense.



Despite that his own people were mad at him for not playing the game, it was never really in him to ride that fence. Bless Kendrick for taking the ball and running with it, sexual chocolate and all that but be real with yourself.

 

[SunZoo]

That verse was sad begging a man for attention

I mean....did Kendrick lay down the gauntlet or not? He basically asked the rap game who want it and a challenger appeared and then radio silence.

 

[Insensitive]

None of that negates the fact that when Kendrick so called himself laying down a gauntlet and picking at his weak ass contemporaries with Control, he fell silent when challenged by someone who can CLEARLY, CLEARLY RAP BETTER THAN HIM.

His music may be more palatable, but a lot of the themes in his music had already been fleshed out before GKMC dropped by the man in question. I fukk with both, heavy. But Kendrick know what time it is, and Punch and whatever goof ass nikka been making veiled threats like the one in the OP for a minute now to no avail, all because Lupe states the obvious.

I disagree.
I don't think either artist explores any unique or unusual themes in relation to the Black American Experience.

I'd argue that:

Stevie Wonder
Marvin Gaye
Donny Hathaway
Gil Scott-Heron
The Watts Prophets
and any other artists from the whole 70's soul movement not only did it prior to the both of them but did it better
and in Gil Scott's or The Watts Prophets case they did it with no fear of the repercussions they could face for speaking out.
That's the whole lineage of this "conscious" rap anyways.


Chuck D > Lupe Fiasco
Krs-One > Lupe Fiasco
"The group he never listened to growing up" ATCQ > Lupe Fiasco
De la Soul > Lupe Fiasco
The Roots > Lupe Fiasco
Actually just The Ummah in general > Lupe Fiasco
The above artists form the second wave and whole musical backbone of these two artists.


"Whitey On The Moon" > Lupe's career.

I don’t think Lupe is better than EVERYONE but he’s def one of the best lyricists to get on the mic. But listen to the key word LYRICIST. NOT rapper. He’s not the best rapper. He’s definitely clearly a better lyricist than Kendrick tho and I honestly think his catalogue is overall better. After Section 80 and GKMC Kendrick been just aight to me.

I disagree.
I think it's the other way around.
Lupe is a great rapper within the narrow confines of word play, punchlines, similes etc.
All the conventional aspects rappers are measured against.

I think where Kendrick Lamar and a few others are not just his equal but surpass him is
their use of music in relation to the lyrics.
I like dope loops as much as everyone else but listening to a full band crescendo as a rapper
yells into a mic while rapping about a topic which turns out to be a metaphor about worshipping
money, yo, that's some other shyt that isn't common in Hip-Hop at all.


By the way brehs.
It's all love, there's no animosity in these posts
I don't dislike Lupe, I just don't think he's as great as everyone else says he is.

 

[Piff Perkins]

Lets be fair here


Kendrick went at Drake, Jay Electronica, and Big Sean and Drake ducked him AND bytched about it.

Kendrick doesn’t duck everyone

Not just went at...he punked all three, and all three didn't do shyt. I'm sure a Drake avenger will come in here telling us about a guest verse from 7 years ago or whatever but nah, Aubrey didn't do shyt. Sean and Kdot are cool now though, and Drake is cool with him now too. Dunno about Jay Elect.

 

[Anti-Anime]

Hell, I WANT to see them do an album together ...

hell yes​

 

[SunZoo]

Look. I'm not saying Lupe ain't a better "lyricist" than Kendrick. But we seen what happened when Drake washed Meek and when Budden barred Drake up and no one cared. But Pusha also bodied Drake so...

Aye, I'm here for it lol. But ain't nothing coming from this.

Plot twist: Them nikkas actually get on a track together lol

 

[Bickin Back Being Bool]

Common washed ice cube

Lupe will do the same

Them Chicago lyricists are built different

 

[Insensitive]

Also in these discussions can we put some respect on
schemes and flows ?

Hip-Hop discussion always seems to boil down to just lyrics.
Lyrically Elzhi is already on another planet but his ability to mix that
lyricism with some of the craziest schemes is
Crooked I and Royce deserve some love for that too.
The schemes they just come up with in the studio are

 

[Izanami]

While Lupe on Twitter Showing Out Kendrick Lamar still getting accolades, TPAB 19th Greatest Album of All Time's on Rolling Stones Greatest 500 Albums list

That’s not an achievement. Especially when rolling stone posted a review calling Nas new album the most women hating album of the year.

 

[The Mad Titan]

This at lupe and not SZA?

 

[The Mad Titan]

 

[Izanami]

Ducked Sean imo and lost the battle of subs, he didnt want any really smoke. J Elect and Drake arent any threats on the mic, especially in comparison to Lupe.

took off lyrics getting at Sean on the heart part 4

 

[I'm Blackman]

Even then, I think after a certain point using a bunch of literary devices or word play isn't in the least bit technical.

Writing album long concepts, well written song concepts and employing dope grooves & rhythms
while being musically and lyrically above par and STILL funky/tight and unabashedly Hip-Hop is
when an artist truly reaches that realm of impressive.

I think and I've said it before but a dude like Skyzoo for example really doesn't get his due for being so musically consistent.
Sonically. He's fukking with guys with ten times the budget.
Lyrically. His pen is undoubtedly sharp.
Conceptually. This dude isn't just rapping and stringing together a bunch of bullshyt or to bring
it back to your post noodling incessantly at warp speed on an electronic guitar and ultimately
musically saying jack shyt. He's actually using his skill to say something, not "rapping about
rapping".

People on this website often don't judge writers in Hip-Hop as a whole they just talk about
"Them bars bro!","What about that simile man ?","Yeah but...he rhymed door hinge with orange!".

Never listened to or heard of skyzoo. But off this post, I'm gonna check him out.