"Pusha T is not a top 50 rapper of all-time" - Jim Jones

[The Connoisseurs]

No, it wouldn't fit BP1. BP2 was more about lack of direction and reaching for hits than Jay not having any fire in him. Grinding would've likely been one of if the not the gem of the album.

Possibly, but I don’t see it being as big as what Push and Malice turned it in to.

Neptunes and Jay work well when they do pop tracks ;just wanna love, ..please, La-La-La or slower tempo tracks ;allure, excuse me miss, change clothes.

The closest thing I heard Jay do that was grinding-esque with Neptunes was blue magic and that was not bad but meh,he lowkey kind of bit push on that. The other song I heard similar to that was that commercial where he was rapping over basketball dribbles sample and I don’t know who produced that.

 

[Shadow King]

Possibly, but I don’t see it being as big as what Push and Malice turned it in to.

Neptunes and Jay work well when they do pop tracks ;just wanna love, ..please, La-La-La or slower tempo tracks ;allure, excuse me miss, change clothes.

The closest thing I heard Jay do that was grinding-esque with Neptunes was blue magic and that was not bad but meh,he lowkey kind of bit push on that. The other song I heard similar to that was that commercial where he was rapping over basketball dribbles sample and I don’t know who produced that.

La La La isn't really pop, and Change Clothes wasn't slow. But those records worked because those records worked like most attempts at a Neptunes hit. Jay never went to them for a raw rap record so using them as why Grinding wouldn't work for him doesn't make sense to me.

It would've absolutely been "bigger" cause it was Jay lol, the question is better. I think there's a very good chance of Jay snapping on it, but even if he didn't, I'm not seeing that beat with '02 Jay struggling commercially.

 

[Peak]

Kayne produced these

2000
"The Truth" (Beanie Sigel)
2001
"Izzo (H.O.V.A.)" (Jay-Z)
2002
"Guess Who's Back" (Scarface)
"'03 Bonnie and Clyde" (Jay-Z featuring Beyoncé)
"Get By" (Talib Kweli)

yall saying he was a culture wide hip-hop influence in these years?


why we playing games here, I'll say it again as producers no one knew who the face behind the beats was until grindin

:obj: it's a Asian dude and Pharrell corny ass

You didn't. Everybody else did.

 

[Theodoresolderbreh]

If pusha not 50 jimmy not even on the list period. No matter how many numbers it got.

 

[Yecht]

You can tell the story of Hip Hop fairly easily, without mentioning Pusha T

You can't tell the story without though, and right wrong or indifferent his story includes the ghostwriting allegations and Push stealing his soul

 

[Yecht]

“Men don’t wanna be like him and women don’t wanna fukk him”

Jimmy said that about Push?

 

[Xtz23]

Jim jones Y would anyone care what he says anyway. He’s trash

 

[Ineedmoney504]

Drake is top 10, Pusha ain't top 50 yet Drake got annihilated lyrically in a battle why?

One is better at rapping then the other, don’t mean he better at making songs.

 

[Ineedmoney504]

None of them have had the solo careers Pusha's had either. Closest is Royce.

Joe budden had a higher height than pusha and all other slaughtere house guys. And his mood musik series is full of classics.

Quality of music wise I’m taking mood musik series over push solos as a whole

 

[Ineedmoney504]

Yall saying push aint top 50

But none of yall giving any real reasons why

Cause he’s not that good and has no reason to be there. He’s not a greater hip hop artiest then juvie or bg

Lil durk and yb would be over push

 

[JQ Legend]

Jim Jones REALLY stretched his one hit 15 minutes of fame longer than any weed carrier in Hip Hop history

Nah you wilding, Jim put out 2 classic albums in a row. At one point was making the best solo albums in Dip Set. He way beyond a weed carrier.

And I def put Jim over Pusha

 

[spliz]

Joe budden had a higher height than pusha and all other slaughtere house guys. And his mood musik series is full of classics.

Quality of music wise I’m taking mood musik series over push solos as a whole

Mood Musik 2 is Joe's best joint. I still wouldn't put Joe's discography ahead of Pusha's overall. Pusha has had a more successful solo career no question. Pusha has the more successful group projects. His "We Got It For Cheap" mixtapes are damn near just as successful as the Mood Musik series. Pusha also has the more critically acclaimed solo albums. Albeit I will say Joe's first album is more successful than any Pusha album and he has a more successful single than any Pusha solo single.

 

[Ineedmoney504]

If I was wrong you’d have just said the other rapper.

The point was people trying to say Jay z is a coke rapper but Jay himself said they rapped about TOO MUCH coke. Then signed nikkas who did exactly what I just said and made whole albums about coke

So if it wasn’t happening before and then the guy people claim is a coke rapper, then signs coke rappers, then they were the influence.

You don’t have to insure being right

Come on man we gotta stop clipse dropped in 01. And had low level success after grinding. Jay signed Ross and jeezy in like 05, 4 years later. And neither of them only rapped about coke.

And both are greater and has bigger songs.

 

[JQ Legend]

Pusha put out classic solo albums. And thats after classics With clipse

If Pusha Aint top 50 then nobody deserves to be on the list. His resume speaks for itself. Lowkey he got higher quality number of albums than Jay

It’s one thing to have him in your top 50 but you all the way wilding with this post

 

[Ineedmoney504]

Alright can we finally stop acting like Jim jones don’t have tons of great solo projects and classic group projects?

Let’s start

Diplomats vol 1-4

Diplomatic immunity 1 and 2

Hustlers p.o.m.e

On my way to church

Diary of a summer

Harlem American gangster

Members of bird gang vol 1 and 2

I’m not taking pusha discography over that. shyt was much more impactful

Pusha is 1000 percent the better rapper

Also jim impacted hip hop more, from how people were dressing, had Wayne dressing like him, ushered in style from baggie or slim fitting.