Put Prime Kobe on those Heat Teams instead of Prime Lebron. they go 4 for 4 in the Finals

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Well you can SAY the Spurs were a better team back then, but the Pacers were a better defensive team in the way that they were the best in the league statistically and the Spurs were not, so :manny: And Kobe is just not the overall player LeBron is/was in that series. Make Kobe guard positions 1-5, get rebounds over them, take the ball up the court, and also be the PG, and see what you're going to get :francis:
I don't know why this is even a debate, do you really know the type of player Kobe was? That team wouldn't have functioned with his personality.

You're too young to even be discussing what Kobe did in the early 2000s to mid 2000s....you just graduating HS breh. Relax trying to tell those of us who were watching and posting in The OG Coliseum about a series that you weren't even old enough to judge.


You were still drinking outta sippy cup breh while we were tuned in....get out here with this with all due respect breh:camby:
 
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People keep bringing up him losing to OKC and Mavs but forgetting the question is prime Kobe.... Prime Kobe dropped 62 in 3 quarters on the Mavs when they had 61 as a team.

Prime Kobe guarded Westbrook when lakers knocked them out the playoffs. Prime Kobe was unstoppable with a killers instinct.

Don't confuse that with older aged Kobe. And gasol turned into a whole hoe outchea when we lost to the Mavs
 

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People keep bringing up him losing to OKC and Mavs but forgetting the question is prime Kobe.... Prime Kobe dropped 62 in 3 quarters on the Mavs when they had 61 as a team.

Prime Kobe guarded Westbrook when lakers knocked them out the playoffs. Prime Kobe was unstoppable with a killers instinct.

Don't confuse that with older aged Kobe. And gasol turned into a whole hoe outchea when we lost to the Mavs


That wasnt even Prime Kobe that shut down Westbrook, he has already 31 and 32 at the time.

Prime Kobe from 2001-2007 would have been a wrecking machine with Brons heat team... they would have went 4-0 or at worst 3-1 during that stretch
 

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More impressive than going to 6 straight finals through the east imo. Actually shows the caliber of competition they had to face

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Kobe and Wades gae go better together than Wade and Brons. Do yall really not remember how hard it was for Bron and Wade to mesh? That wouldnt happen with Kobe cause Kobe doesnt need the ball near as much as Bron to be effective
 

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But you're gonna give LeBron all the credit for getting to 6 straight without looking at the squads he's been on huh :ohhh:
Everything needs to be put in proper context bruh, that's what I'm saying. That "gotcha!" shyt doesn't work with me because I'm always consistent.

Kobe didn't beat those teams by himself. He played in a tougher division than Lebron has but he's also played with better teammates and coaches. How many of those 50 win teams did Kobe beat with Shaq and Phil? Lebron has never played with anyone close to a prime Shaq and his sidekick have been cats like Mo Williams and Larry Hughes at times. He's had coaches like Mike Brown. If you're not going to talk about all of that then what's the point of saying "Kobe beat more 50 win teams in the playoffs tho"?
 

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No he didn't.

For the playoffs, even with Lebron's poor performance in the Finals, Lebron averaged 24-8-6 while Wade averaged 24-7-4. They both took the exact same number of shots. They shared the scoring evenly, Lebron did fall more of the creating on offense (though somehow had fewer turnovers than Wade) and was far more important on defense.

Every team that faced the Heat focused on Lebron first, with Wade being secondary. The Mavs' entire defensive scheme revolved around what to do with Lebron. There's a reason why Lebron was on the court 44 minutes/game for the Heat, while Wade was only playing 39 minutes/game. If Wade was really carrying them, then why are they playing him 30 minutes less than Lebron in each of the last two series?

In the ECF against #1 seed Chicago, Lebron averaged 26-8-7-2-2 on 45/39/86 shooting with incredible defense on Rose.
Wade was at 19-6-2-2-1 on 40/20/83 shooting and meh defense.







Exactly. Spurs shot 53% in that series and 47% from three.

(Lebron was actually at 57% shooting and 52% from three, just to fix that stat.)


Duncan shot 57%, Ginobli was at 50% and 42% from three, Kawhi shot 61% and 58% from three, Parker shot 48% and 42% from three, Patty Mills was 54% and 57% from three, Danny Green was 53% and 45% from three, Bellinelli was 47% and 44% from three, Splitter shot freaking 71%...only Diaw dragged their numbers down.

How the hell is Kobe's "career 42% shooting in the Finals" ass going to outscore the Spurs when they're shooting like that? Every time he misses, the Spurs get another shot. You can't beat a team that's shooting 56% on twos and 47% on threes when you ain't even hitting half your twos.





Exactly...what are they going to do, have Wade be the creator? Have Kobe be the creator except that he has exactly ZERO shooters or dominant big men to feed? (The Heat's entire offense that year outside of Lebron basically revolved around Wade drives and Wade/Bosh hitting long twos.) What would happen to the Heat rebounding and defense when 240lb Joel Anthony, 230lb Chris Bosh, and 210lb Kobe Bryant are your three big men? Is Kobe going to defend forwards all game? Has Kobe ever shown the high-energy, constant-switching defensive chops that made defense with that team even possible? Is Kobe going to stop Rose in the 4th quarter in one game and then man up beasts like David West in other games?






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You stay posting stupid.

Kobe had ONE series against the Spurs as the leader of the team, and Ginobli was hurt in that series.

The rest of the time the Lakers and Spurs met, Shaq and Duncan were clearly the best two players on the court and basically played each other to a standstill, both putting up great numbers. The Spurs focused their defense on Shaq and the Lakers focused their defense on Duncan. Kobe was the guy that Pop let get off a ton of shots as the second fiddle because he was way less efficient than Shaq - that how you end u with Kobe putting up 35-40 shots in those games. Anything was better than Shaq going 60% and fouling everyone out. The Spurs lost more than they won (Spurs got 2, Lakers got 3) because Kobe was better than the meager supporting cast that Duncan had, not because he outplayed Duncan at all.






So is the issue that you expect Lebron to be a better GM than all of the actual GMs? :ohhh:

I've never gotten this attack on Lebron. How is him having more say in front his front office does somehow mean that his team will magically be better than other teams? Even if he was an average GM, that would be shocking, because being a GM is a full-time job that doesn't involve almost any of the same skills as being an elite NBA player.





PG versus KB

2011-2012: 1 game, Kobe gets 33 points on 30 shots, Lakers lose
2012-2013: 1st game, Kobe gets 40 points on 28 shots but commits 10 turnovers, Lakers lose
2nd game, Kobe scores 0 points on 4 shots in 12 minutes, Lakers win
2015-2016: Kobe shoots 10-45 in two games combined, Lakers lose both

Kobe managed about a point a possession in his BEST games against the Pacers with PG, and the Lakers lost every game in which Kobe was a significant factor.

In what world is that "pretty well"? You think Kobe performed well just because he put up a lot of points while eating up a lot of possessions?


Think that inflated regular-season stats are going to translate to playoff basketball against real defenses. :mjlol:

shooting percentage, turnovers, rebounds blah blah obviously doesn't matter

kobe has 5 rings beating san antonio and countless 50 win teams in the west on the way to the finals

lebron literally put the heat team together saying they winning 8 titles:camby:
 

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Everything needs to be put in proper context bruh, that's what I'm saying. That "gotcha!" shyt doesn't work with me because I'm always consistent.

Kobe didn't beat those teams by himself. He played in a tougher division than Lebron has but he's also played with better teammates and coaches. How many of those 50 win teams did Kobe beat with Shaq and Phil? Lebron has never played with anyone close to a prime Shaq and his sidekick have been cats like Mo Williams and Larry Hughes at times. He's had coaches like Mike Brown. If you're not going to talk about all of that then what's the point of saying "Kobe beat more 50 win teams in the playoffs tho"?
Give me the context of LeBrons 6 straight finals appearances :feedme:
 
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