Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

[KnickstapeCity]

Anyone else Porzingis is an 80 now on 2k16?

I saw that, breh

 

[storyteller]

The Knicks Still Seeking the Perfect Rotation

I think Herring hits on something that people have been fast to give Fish a pass on; this rotation thing isn't new. It was a problem all of last year that we (the fanbase at large) excused because of the injuries and trades. So concerns about the rotation aren't just based on the small sample of this season and the longer he takees to set a rotation the more worrisome it is. The article acknowledges the nice start and the good things, but still references the large and inconsistent rotations as a potential problem to address; those two concepts don't need to divorced. We're off to a great start all things considered, but the rotations lacking consistency is still an issue worth looking at more closely. As a sidenote, Herring is one of my favorite basketball writers and twitter handles because I agree with a LOT of his perceptions so I'll readily admit I'm biased.

During Monday’s loss in Miami, coach Derek Fisher used all 13 players who suited up, the third time he’s done that this season. He’s used at least 12 players—one less than the maximum a team can play—seven times in competitive games this year, the most by any team in the league. In fact, 12 different Knicks are averaging 10 minutes a game this season, tied for the highest in the league.

Beyond the number of players who get to see the court each night, there’s been little consistency in terms of which players will enter the game at certain times.

Kevin Seraphin, who didn’t even play in the first few games he was activated, has recently been the first player off the bench. Kyle O’Quinn, who initially looked like he might play the sixth-man role, has had mysterious DNPs as of late. Derrick Williams, who led the team in scoring during the preseason, has seen just 8.5 minutes a game over his past five outings. Jerian Grant, who last month Fisher said was so vital to the bench’s uptempo attack that he wanted him playing with reserve Langston Galloway at all times, has watched struggling veteran Sasha Vujacic get subbed in before him a handful of times now.

But Anthony, who’s touted the importance of players having defined roles in the past, stopped shy of saying the deep rotation is problematic.

“It’s a fine line you have to walk,” Anthony said. “Sometimes it’s very beneficial to play 12 and 13 guys. But sometimes you don’t know if it’s going to be beneficial. You kind of have to feel it out over the course of the game.”

Since last season—when the Knicks were a jumbled mess due to trades, injuries and the fact that several players had their free-agency status looming—Fisher has struggled to settle on a definitive rotation.

In 2014, he used 36 different starting lineups, second only to the perpetually rebuilding Philadelphia 76ers. And the Knicks finished with just two five-man lineups that shared 100 on-court minutes or more last season, the least in the NBA. (To give that context, consider the fact that, 15 games in, this year’s Knicks already have two such lineups.)

It’d be understandable if the Knicks were doling out Golden State-style blowouts, and subbing six or seven players in for that reason. But the Knicks—who have played 11 games that have been within five points or less heading into the last five minutes of play—have been involved in more close games than any other team in the league.

Part of what has hurt New York is Fisher’s tendency to sub two or more players at a time, as opposed to staggering his lineups in a more traditional fashion.

The Knicks have played a lineup with five reserves on the floor for a whopping 144 minutes, the second-most in the NBA, according to Stats LLC. Because of that, the team’s had long droughts, where—without Anthony, Afflalo or Kristaps Porzingis playing—they simply don’t have enough scoring on the floor.

The mass subs have been counterproductive as of late; particularly with how well the starters have been playing. In the seven games since Afflalo joined the starting lineup, New York’s starting five has either outscored the opponent or held even in six of those contests.

In other words, Fisher’s subs might benefit from more subtlety. And to start, he could get there by playing fewer people each night.

 

[Victim of Racism]

I honestly thought I'd posted it, but work was hectic so I musta only thrown it up on realgm. I looked back at it and it's so damned negative and angry that I don't think it's even worth sharing this much later. Hopefully I can have a positive write up after tonight's game.

Let me get that link to RealGm. Either the Knicks are crack, or your write-ups are. Prolly both.

 

[Victim of Racism]

In the last sentence of the "traveling" section, rules say, "when a player gathers the ball, he may not step consecutively with the same foot, as in a hopping motion": NBA.com - NBA’s Misunderstood Rules
The "gather" part is the issue and 'Melo had not "gathered" the ball. When he was taking those steps, he had no control of the ball at all. Once he finally "gathered" it, he stopped and shot it.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

LMAO melo my dude but he took like 8 steps on that play.

 

[Miles Davis]

They need to shut the fukk up

Melo stayed getting fouled in the paint but rarely gets the call, coming out the paint with his headband tilted

Let him cook at least, I mean damn. The Knicks as a whole get no respect from the officiating.

 

[DPresidential]

Why...didn't he pass to Seraphin. Open lane.


ANyway, NBA officiating is garbage. I want fair and accurate officiating. That's it.

 

[Codeine Bryant]

GOAT season thread title

 

[Miles Davis]

Oh we changed the title

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

@obarth the gawd wins again

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

When you find out Future is Kristaps most listened to artist, it feels like this title was meant to be. I respect the title change

 

[GhostoftheMan]

that title

 

[JayGatsby]

the

"we melo til we por the kris "

was the GOAT title

 

[Victim of Racism]

Why...didn't he pass to Seraphin. Open lane.

What would Seraphin have done with it, score off the dribble or stop and try to post up?

 

[Victim of Racism]

They need to shut the fukk up

Melo stayed getting fouled in the paint but rarely gets the call, coming out the paint with his headband tilted

Let him cook at least, I mean damn. The Knicks as a whole get no respect from the officiating.

Dude was right when he said it's "not a travel unless the player has gathered the ball w/ two hands or palming it". In the last sentence of the "traveling" section, rules say, "when a player gathers the ball, he may not step consecutively with the same foot, as in a hopping motion": NBA.com - NBA’s Misunderstood Rules

The "gather" part is the issue and 'Melo hadn't "gathered" the ball while walking, like Lj does on literally every play and never gets called. Taking steps mean nothing when you're not holding the ball. When he was taking those steps, he had no control of the ball at all. Once he finally "gathered" it, he stopped and shot it.

Fact is, league is looking for a reason to keep calling these ghost travels and phantom fouls on NY, so they can give the ball to the other team and they will surely use the Miami game as their excuse. I expect a lot of the usual cheating when Miami comes to the Garden. And you're right, they didn't blow up the no call when Duncan caused 'Melo to fall on KP and when Marvin jumped on 'Melo's back, giving him a headache.