Melo was off but what lost this game was coaching period
Has this not been the theme of every game this season? I mean every time I hop in this thread to check on the team, everyone says this very sentence.
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Has this not been the theme of every game this season? I mean every time I hop in this thread to check on the team, everyone says this very sentence.
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Melo was off but what lost this game was coaching period
Fast break points and fouls did us in. Calderon was getting cooked by Mo. Our first unit was hanging in until the second unit finished off the 1st half. Fisher has to get his rotations right and yes this will be the theme for the NY Knicks on our sophomore coach who still draws plays like a rookie
That's what I don't understand.The fukk are Derek Fisher and his coaching team talking about in the film sessions? Matt Barnes?
This should be Calderon's position during games...
I can accept Fisher missing things during the games, he's still inexperienced and maybe still unable to see everything in real time. But what happens when they watch the tapes? When they see Calderon left behind on the 3-point line while his man lays up the ball does Kurt Rambis just look at the ceiling?
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As long as calderon is getting heavy minutes we will continue to lose winnable games. There's no reason he should be getting ANY minutes once Aflalo gets back.
Could calderon be worst than when we had raymond felton on defense?
Didnt think it was possible but i think so
He's worse plus he can't score
Does Fisher have a Twitter? I'm bout to light him up about Calderon
And no one in NY media has made any mention of this?
He played defense. Your shot is off sometimes and there's not a lot you can do about that. It'll eventually come around, but defense is about effort and is a controllable.
His shots are always off because he takes crap shots. The jab stap 20 footer while covered is never ever a good shot. It's bullshyt selfish basketball that prevents another guy from getting a better shot. He's not Jordan who made that type of shot consistently.
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The 3 losses were to the
Hawks, who won 60 games last year
Spurs, who are the fukkin Spurs
and the Cavs, who were in the Finals with a worse roster last year
Let's keep this in perspective, they haven't lost to anybody they shouldn't have yet
Hawks, who won 60 games last year
Spurs, who are the fukkin Spurs
and the Cavs, who were in the Finals with a worse roster last year
Let's keep this in perspective, they haven't lost to anybody they shouldn't have yet
This is true
nomoreneveragain
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That's a loser mentality, especially when you throw away a game like last night.
That was a bad loss, Cavs were begging the Knicks to beat them.
Sports don't work like because the Knicks will lose games there supposed to win and you need to get W's like last night when you can when your Win Projections are between 28-40.
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Short Version: The Knicks fought, played hard and hung with an elite team once again all the way into the fourth quarter before getting dropped. This one is on Fisher to me, calling TO's too late and sticking with his odd rotations instead of trying to find players that were working killed us. The way he utilizes D-Will and Seraphin is head scratching, they get real minutes for one half and are completely forgotten in the other half. It's just a lot of poor decision making on Fisher's part in my eyes and you can trace that line of thought in every game thread except for the Wizards when he deserved some props. The good news is that we've been in every game, sans the Hawks, until late into the game. The bad news is that I truly believe our coach is handicapping our shot to steal winnable games. Some will say to give the line-ups a chance and be more patient, but we always knew this season would be a DOG FIGHT for the post season...we can't afford to give these games away (and I'm not saying we'd definitely win them all, but we'll definitely lose them all with the current level of coaching).
Calderon - I just wanna get right into it, he had a mass benefit from Sasha, KP and Melo coming out with fire (hence the plus/minus Hahn threw out there). Calderon's poor defense made Mo Williams look like a fast paced, scoring PG so much so that when we had a shot to blow the Cavs off the floor early...we couldn't even keep a double digit lead. KP's foul trouble last night was a direct result of the open lane to the rack provided by poor guard play, I truly believe that. The offense almost never looks good when he's in, his defense is atrocious and when Grant's minutes drop (D-Will as well) the fast break offense vanishes. We can't afford this crap. He had 2 points, 5 assists and 3 boards while Mo smoked him.
KP - Came out ready to go right at Kevin Love and held his own really well. In 20 minutes he had 13, 4, 1, 2 and 2 without a single TO. He's a legitimate rim protector who'd rather risk the foul challenging a drive than let someone waltz in. As his timing improves, I think he'll have less fouls and even more deflections and blocks. His putback dunk on Love mirrored his putback on LMA just one game before, that's pretty incredible for a rookie 5 games into his career. His jumper was looking more comfortable and he worked closer to the rack this game which increased his efficiency. I'd liked to have seen him get more face-up opportunities to attack on the dribble instead of catch and shoot but that'll happen in this system. I really loved his game, wish Fish woulda given him more minutes and just let him use all six. He was held out too long in the fourth imo. I honestly think he was a problem for Love all night.
Melo - Still shooting like ass, but this wasn't the Spurs game. He came out with a ton of energy and gobbled up boards, played high level defense and frustrated Lebron all night (honestly, this was one of his best individual performances on defense in a long time). It was a tale of two Melo's in terms of passing, he was a great mover early but pressed for offense late. He doesn't have the lift right now to be consistent on his jumper off the dribble which limits him but he should realize as much. He's gotta focus on catch and shoot opportunities and hard drives until his legs get under him. 17 pts, 12 boards, 4 assists, a steal and 2 blocks...he's filling the stat sheet nightly, but until he scores efficiently no one will care and the team will need more from him.
Sasha - So Sasha wasn't bad last night offensively, but it feels like he gives you two good plays and then has one ugly decision that hurts you. He had one moment where he took an awful shot, on the next possession called the clear out for Melo who was matched with Mozgov (Melo scored) and then followed up with a TERRIBLE TO. That's him in a nutshell to me. His defense was bad with some flashes of IQ. Richard Jefferson drove on him multiple times in the early going of the game...that dude doesn't even belong in the NBA any more! 9 points, 4 boards, 0 assists to 2 TO's...not gonna cut it.
R-Lo - His first half play was really good. He was tuned in and with the other guys that were rolling, the offense didn't demand too much from him. When he can pick his spots, he's a problem and defensively he's effective. He outplayed his match-up (Mozgov) pretty clearly there. In the second half, when things fell apart, he was out of his head. He made some dumb plays, forced a few things (I don't fully blame him for this, he shouldn't be in that big of a ball handling role when KP is better at that stuff) and made a couple of dumb fouls/defensive three seconds. Worst of all, he argued with Calderon after picking up a 3-second violation (my theory is that he was planting in the paint because he KNEW he'd have to cover for Calderon, hence the frustration but it's not a good look). Idk if it was fatigue or just mental, but he played piss poor ball in a lot of the second half. 6 pts, 4 boards, 2 assists to 3 TO's...I don't mind the rebounds though, as his boxouts continue to pump up the rebound numbers for everyone else.
Galloway - He was our most steady guard. He tried to make plays to keep us in it when things were falling apart. His three point shooting is really big for this team, because none of our other guards are shooting well at all. Defensively, he's set himself apart from the rest of the guards as well. He didn't create much for others. 12 points and 4 boards, solid game and he's pretty clearly the reliable guard on our squad.
Grant - Struggled from the field, but the team just looked better with him out there imo. He was the guy getting to the line on a night when the Knicks struggled to do so for quite a while. I don't understand his massively limited minutes when Calderon wasn't remotely better and Sasha burned out after one. 17 minutes ain't gonna cut it Fish. 6 points, 2 assists and a board in that limited time isn't so bad; but I think the numbers don't tell the whole story. He deserved more chances.
Lance Thomas - The hot streak has ended and he's back to being garbage...that's all.
KOQ - Idk why Robin Lopez was allowed to flounder and struggle in the second half when KOQ had played so well. Then when he got in there in the second half, he mainly played PF NEXT to Lopez which takes away from his ability to take advantage of the big mismatch. Defensively he was a terror early, but nobody was very good in the second half. He flashed one on one skills and a jumper with only 6 attempts. 19 minutes, 8 points, 5 boards, 1 assist, 2 blocks and a steal...really nice line for the limited time out there. He should have gotten more minutes at C and I think if you pair him with KP more often...that front court could really be a terror. It's not out of the question that he could overtake R-Lo due to his passing and ball handling.
D-Will - He didn't force anything, 2-4 with 7 points in 11 minutes. His two makes were a catch and shoot three and nice drive. Defensively he has lapses of awareness, but I think his effort is pretty clear. On the boards his effort hasn't been bad though his instincts and positioning both need work. He was good in the first half, period. I think with our offense floundering two nights in a role, his minutes being cut confuses me. Our fast break scoring doesn't exist...again...maybe he should get more minutes.
Seraphin - He flashed some potential out of the post and elbow. His defense showed effort but he was slow laterally. I like that he got a good hard foul in his limited time, no easy buckets. No boards either, yuck. 10 minutes, 4 points and a block...nothing else to show for it but these were his best minutes so far at least.
Early - I'm back to wanting him to get all of Lance's minutes...not because he did anything in his 3 minutes. Lance just looks terrible and Early's last time getting minutes was productive as hell in preseason.
Fisher - Dumb rotations, gave Calderon close to 30 minutes in which he barely registered a blip as a scorer, created only long jumper opportunities and played the most porous D this side of Demarcus Cousins quitting on his team that one time. When the Knicks would get momentum, Blatt would call a TO, perhaps prematurely but better safe than sorry. When the Cavs went on a run, they'd eat up 8 points of leverage and score double digits before Fish did the same. He's become so accustomed to line changes in the first that his single substitutions in the second half read as bizarre and rarely feel like they're positively impacting the game. As with his TO's he's way too late to a pull a player that's struggling. He's let Melo lose his head in SA and R-Lo lose it in Cleveland...that's inexcusable stuff. He trusts the vets too much and youth too little (I've said the exact same thing in the past...about Mike Woodson). He's getting out coached on most nights. He also doesn't do much to get players going. He draws up pretty effective plays but rarely does he key the hot hand or try to get an easy one for a struggling player to calm them. Overall, he's been ass so far and it's unfortunate because 2-3 isn't bad with this stretch but I feel like we probably could have gutted out a third win with some smarter coaching.
Random - Cleveland was ripe for the beating. Love wasn't good, Bron was the worst I've seen him and we let bum ass Mo Williams and worse Matthew Dellevadova torch us to take this win. We also made Richard Jefferson look pretty good. So much about this pisses me off.
Calderon - I just wanna get right into it, he had a mass benefit from Sasha, KP and Melo coming out with fire (hence the plus/minus Hahn threw out there). Calderon's poor defense made Mo Williams look like a fast paced, scoring PG so much so that when we had a shot to blow the Cavs off the floor early...we couldn't even keep a double digit lead. KP's foul trouble last night was a direct result of the open lane to the rack provided by poor guard play, I truly believe that. The offense almost never looks good when he's in, his defense is atrocious and when Grant's minutes drop (D-Will as well) the fast break offense vanishes. We can't afford this crap. He had 2 points, 5 assists and 3 boards while Mo smoked him.
KP - Came out ready to go right at Kevin Love and held his own really well. In 20 minutes he had 13, 4, 1, 2 and 2 without a single TO. He's a legitimate rim protector who'd rather risk the foul challenging a drive than let someone waltz in. As his timing improves, I think he'll have less fouls and even more deflections and blocks. His putback dunk on Love mirrored his putback on LMA just one game before, that's pretty incredible for a rookie 5 games into his career. His jumper was looking more comfortable and he worked closer to the rack this game which increased his efficiency. I'd liked to have seen him get more face-up opportunities to attack on the dribble instead of catch and shoot but that'll happen in this system. I really loved his game, wish Fish woulda given him more minutes and just let him use all six. He was held out too long in the fourth imo. I honestly think he was a problem for Love all night.
Melo - Still shooting like ass, but this wasn't the Spurs game. He came out with a ton of energy and gobbled up boards, played high level defense and frustrated Lebron all night (honestly, this was one of his best individual performances on defense in a long time). It was a tale of two Melo's in terms of passing, he was a great mover early but pressed for offense late. He doesn't have the lift right now to be consistent on his jumper off the dribble which limits him but he should realize as much. He's gotta focus on catch and shoot opportunities and hard drives until his legs get under him. 17 pts, 12 boards, 4 assists, a steal and 2 blocks...he's filling the stat sheet nightly, but until he scores efficiently no one will care and the team will need more from him.
Sasha - So Sasha wasn't bad last night offensively, but it feels like he gives you two good plays and then has one ugly decision that hurts you. He had one moment where he took an awful shot, on the next possession called the clear out for Melo who was matched with Mozgov (Melo scored) and then followed up with a TERRIBLE TO. That's him in a nutshell to me. His defense was bad with some flashes of IQ. Richard Jefferson drove on him multiple times in the early going of the game...that dude doesn't even belong in the NBA any more! 9 points, 4 boards, 0 assists to 2 TO's...not gonna cut it.
R-Lo - His first half play was really good. He was tuned in and with the other guys that were rolling, the offense didn't demand too much from him. When he can pick his spots, he's a problem and defensively he's effective. He outplayed his match-up (Mozgov) pretty clearly there. In the second half, when things fell apart, he was out of his head. He made some dumb plays, forced a few things (I don't fully blame him for this, he shouldn't be in that big of a ball handling role when KP is better at that stuff) and made a couple of dumb fouls/defensive three seconds. Worst of all, he argued with Calderon after picking up a 3-second violation (my theory is that he was planting in the paint because he KNEW he'd have to cover for Calderon, hence the frustration but it's not a good look). Idk if it was fatigue or just mental, but he played piss poor ball in a lot of the second half. 6 pts, 4 boards, 2 assists to 3 TO's...I don't mind the rebounds though, as his boxouts continue to pump up the rebound numbers for everyone else.
Galloway - He was our most steady guard. He tried to make plays to keep us in it when things were falling apart. His three point shooting is really big for this team, because none of our other guards are shooting well at all. Defensively, he's set himself apart from the rest of the guards as well. He didn't create much for others. 12 points and 4 boards, solid game and he's pretty clearly the reliable guard on our squad.
Grant - Struggled from the field, but the team just looked better with him out there imo. He was the guy getting to the line on a night when the Knicks struggled to do so for quite a while. I don't understand his massively limited minutes when Calderon wasn't remotely better and Sasha burned out after one. 17 minutes ain't gonna cut it Fish. 6 points, 2 assists and a board in that limited time isn't so bad; but I think the numbers don't tell the whole story. He deserved more chances.
Lance Thomas - The hot streak has ended and he's back to being garbage...that's all.
KOQ - Idk why Robin Lopez was allowed to flounder and struggle in the second half when KOQ had played so well. Then when he got in there in the second half, he mainly played PF NEXT to Lopez which takes away from his ability to take advantage of the big mismatch. Defensively he was a terror early, but nobody was very good in the second half. He flashed one on one skills and a jumper with only 6 attempts. 19 minutes, 8 points, 5 boards, 1 assist, 2 blocks and a steal...really nice line for the limited time out there. He should have gotten more minutes at C and I think if you pair him with KP more often...that front court could really be a terror. It's not out of the question that he could overtake R-Lo due to his passing and ball handling.
D-Will - He didn't force anything, 2-4 with 7 points in 11 minutes. His two makes were a catch and shoot three and nice drive. Defensively he has lapses of awareness, but I think his effort is pretty clear. On the boards his effort hasn't been bad though his instincts and positioning both need work. He was good in the first half, period. I think with our offense floundering two nights in a role, his minutes being cut confuses me. Our fast break scoring doesn't exist...again...maybe he should get more minutes.
Seraphin - He flashed some potential out of the post and elbow. His defense showed effort but he was slow laterally. I like that he got a good hard foul in his limited time, no easy buckets. No boards either, yuck. 10 minutes, 4 points and a block...nothing else to show for it but these were his best minutes so far at least.
Early - I'm back to wanting him to get all of Lance's minutes...not because he did anything in his 3 minutes. Lance just looks terrible and Early's last time getting minutes was productive as hell in preseason.
Fisher - Dumb rotations, gave Calderon close to 30 minutes in which he barely registered a blip as a scorer, created only long jumper opportunities and played the most porous D this side of Demarcus Cousins quitting on his team that one time. When the Knicks would get momentum, Blatt would call a TO, perhaps prematurely but better safe than sorry. When the Cavs went on a run, they'd eat up 8 points of leverage and score double digits before Fish did the same. He's become so accustomed to line changes in the first that his single substitutions in the second half read as bizarre and rarely feel like they're positively impacting the game. As with his TO's he's way too late to a pull a player that's struggling. He's let Melo lose his head in SA and R-Lo lose it in Cleveland...that's inexcusable stuff. He trusts the vets too much and youth too little (I've said the exact same thing in the past...about Mike Woodson). He's getting out coached on most nights. He also doesn't do much to get players going. He draws up pretty effective plays but rarely does he key the hot hand or try to get an easy one for a struggling player to calm them. Overall, he's been ass so far and it's unfortunate because 2-3 isn't bad with this stretch but I feel like we probably could have gutted out a third win with some smarter coaching.
Random - Cleveland was ripe for the beating. Love wasn't good, Bron was the worst I've seen him and we let bum ass Mo Williams and worse Matthew Dellevadova torch us to take this win. We also made Richard Jefferson look pretty good. So much about this pisses me off.