Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread
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Trapperman Dave
Basil Fawty
Maybe the heat but not the hawks nor bulls
storyteller
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My favorite Melo quotes as a Knick just dropped in this article
http://nypost.com/2015/11/23/big-brother-carmelo-already-talking-nba-titles-with-porzingis/
http://nypost.com/2015/11/23/big-brother-carmelo-already-talking-nba-titles-with-porzingis/
storyteller
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Didn't get to do post games this weekend bc it was a crazy one, but I wanted to lock in some observations from the back to back wins, different format, shorter and sweeter...
. Our bigs habitually bring the ball below their waists after getting hands on it. This is all of the rotation bigs right now; R-Lo, Kp, and Seraphin (albeit less than the other two). The Thunder really tooled us on that weakness by sending the weakside guard in a double from behind and it forced a number of TO's. Film room sessions need to cover this ish.
. R-Lo is way better when he's not forced to handle the rock, that's been a theme but was even more clear with the 6 TO crash and burn he had after playing a very good game for 3 quarters.
. I'd rather see KOQ over Seraphin, but Seraphin's got one wrinkle in his game that no one else really shows from our bigs and that's a pure back to basket game. It's made him a more effective passer than I'd thought he could be. I still prefer KOQ though.
. KP is gonna go ham on any team that doesn't have length to throw at him or power to keep him at the lane. There's a drought on both, so he's gonna eat well often. He's flashed a quick catch and drive from face ups when his man crowds him outside the arc a couple of times and I hope that becomes a common go-to.
. Melo in foul trouble all game, can't get beyond 25 minutes...we still win. That's not something I've gotten to say much, if ever in Melo's entire Knicks career.
. Afflalo already looks like a consistent 14-18 points per game piece. He's as reliable as they come and he'll give us that whether Melo goes off or KP is hot or whatever. He makes the most of possessions. In a perfect world, KP is our second option and Afflalo is the guy who eats off unbalanced defenses all game because Melo draws doubles and KP drags a big man out. Those two will give AA the chance to use his post game and pull up jumpers to score efficiently.
. Calderon's jumper is back and that is great. I hate that the team strategy has become to go over screens but BEHIND the player and force him into R-Lo though, it creates offensive rebounding opportunities for the opposition too often. Galloway should be guarding the PG's and Calderon should get on the SG's where he has looked much better when given that opportunity. Between Galloway and Afflalo we've had two guys playing strong D on the perimeter pretty consistently and with Calderon's jumper back, we've had a never ending array of shooters taking advantage of the system. Calderon has really stepped up with defense of the pick and roll being my only complaint.
. Lance Thomas' defense on Harden was really great. He still shoots well in one out of every 5 games or so and he doesn't do enough elsewhere for me to like him...but I'll credit him with two positive impact games in a row.
. The single digits minutes thing with Fisher continues to bother me. Lou getting 6-8 minutes isn't gonna have the time to do a damned thing but waste team fouls and grab boards our other bigs are capable of getting. Sasha sees the floor seemingly at random. I want a tighter rotation sooner than later.
. The fourth quarter struggles are still something to watch and our guys never finish burying a team before the let up. Those are the two steps to becoming a second round or better squad that scares people and since we have so much youth, I think we can get there.
Random: My FA target rankings with how things look now: 1. Durant; 2. Conley, 3. Al Horford (we'd wind up trading R-Lo in this scenario), 4. Batum, 5. Bazemore
. Our bigs habitually bring the ball below their waists after getting hands on it. This is all of the rotation bigs right now; R-Lo, Kp, and Seraphin (albeit less than the other two). The Thunder really tooled us on that weakness by sending the weakside guard in a double from behind and it forced a number of TO's. Film room sessions need to cover this ish.
. R-Lo is way better when he's not forced to handle the rock, that's been a theme but was even more clear with the 6 TO crash and burn he had after playing a very good game for 3 quarters.
. I'd rather see KOQ over Seraphin, but Seraphin's got one wrinkle in his game that no one else really shows from our bigs and that's a pure back to basket game. It's made him a more effective passer than I'd thought he could be. I still prefer KOQ though.
. KP is gonna go ham on any team that doesn't have length to throw at him or power to keep him at the lane. There's a drought on both, so he's gonna eat well often. He's flashed a quick catch and drive from face ups when his man crowds him outside the arc a couple of times and I hope that becomes a common go-to.
. Melo in foul trouble all game, can't get beyond 25 minutes...we still win. That's not something I've gotten to say much, if ever in Melo's entire Knicks career.
. Afflalo already looks like a consistent 14-18 points per game piece. He's as reliable as they come and he'll give us that whether Melo goes off or KP is hot or whatever. He makes the most of possessions. In a perfect world, KP is our second option and Afflalo is the guy who eats off unbalanced defenses all game because Melo draws doubles and KP drags a big man out. Those two will give AA the chance to use his post game and pull up jumpers to score efficiently.
. Calderon's jumper is back and that is great. I hate that the team strategy has become to go over screens but BEHIND the player and force him into R-Lo though, it creates offensive rebounding opportunities for the opposition too often. Galloway should be guarding the PG's and Calderon should get on the SG's where he has looked much better when given that opportunity. Between Galloway and Afflalo we've had two guys playing strong D on the perimeter pretty consistently and with Calderon's jumper back, we've had a never ending array of shooters taking advantage of the system. Calderon has really stepped up with defense of the pick and roll being my only complaint.
. Lance Thomas' defense on Harden was really great. He still shoots well in one out of every 5 games or so and he doesn't do enough elsewhere for me to like him...but I'll credit him with two positive impact games in a row.
. The single digits minutes thing with Fisher continues to bother me. Lou getting 6-8 minutes isn't gonna have the time to do a damned thing but waste team fouls and grab boards our other bigs are capable of getting. Sasha sees the floor seemingly at random. I want a tighter rotation sooner than later.
. The fourth quarter struggles are still something to watch and our guys never finish burying a team before the let up. Those are the two steps to becoming a second round or better squad that scares people and since we have so much youth, I think we can get there.
Random: My FA target rankings with how things look now: 1. Durant; 2. Conley, 3. Al Horford (we'd wind up trading R-Lo in this scenario), 4. Batum, 5. Bazemore
Good run down breh.
Everyone keeps mentioning Durant but how will Melo and Durant play with each other they both need the ball and play the same position.
storyteller
Veteran
Westbrook's average usage over the past 4 years is over 35% and has been on the rise. Melo's the past four years has been 33% and it's been getting lower with age. So there's reason to believe there's enough to go around for both, plus you just can't pass up a shot at one of the top 5 players in the NBA. A Durant/Melo/KP front court (more and more I think KP has the chops to play C in due time) would be an absolute nightmare to guard and they'd be strong defensively too. If Durant keeps showing injury bugs and KP continues to develop rapidly, I could see deciding on a different direction (ie: Conley and Horford being the better fits).
If that indeed happen, looking at this video in the future will be even funnier
Phil won
sit back relax grab a cigar and some popcorn
Knicksman20
Superstar
The Evolution Of Carmelo Anthony
"Carmelo Anthony has, in most fans eyes, been a disappointment as a New York Knick.
Despite leading the Knicks to three playoff appearances, including their first in six years, many New Yorkers expected the arrival of Melo to signal a new golden age for their Knicks when he was traded from Denver to the Big Apple in 2011. Many wanted to overlook what Anthony actually is, and instead hope for what he could be–a star capable of leading the Knicks to a championship.
Essentially, fans’ expectations were for LeBron James, Eater of Worlds.
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That is not what they got.
No, the Knicks got Carmelo Anthony, the superstar scorer that in 2012-13 would lead the league in scoring while leading his Knicks to a 54-win season, their best since 1996-97. Still though, it wasn’t enough, as New York lost in the second round of the playoffs.
The Anthony Era in New York has been something of a letdown for many. Again, the Knicks have made three playoff appearances, but they’ve only advanced past the first round once and Carmelo himself has been a letdown to many who heralded him as a savior.
Now is it fair for fans and media to look down upon Carmelo for not single handedly dragging a franchise that for the better part of a decade had been an embarrassment to the league? Absolutely not, but this is New York, baby! So when Melo failed to be a leader on both sides of the ball, the heat was on.
Until this season, Anthony’s average plus/minus for New York stood at just plus-1.275, a number many unfairly held up against LeBron’s plus-10.375 through that time. Similarly, Carmelo’s passing would come under fire, as he averaged 498 points generated off assists over the three seasons (roughly six points per game) before his injury-riddled 2014-15 campaign.
LeBron’s number over that time? Try 1,156 PGA with 14 points per game, more than doubling Carmelo’s totals.
But how are we supposed to compare Carmelo Anthony, who by all accounts is a great player and one of the games best pure scorers ever, to LeBron James, a man many claim to be the best ever? It simply isn’t fair to do!
Anthony would again come under fire when he was somehow blamed for putting an end to Lin-Sanity in 2012 by not meshing his style with that of Jeremy Lin‘s.
That’s right, Carmelo Anthony–superstar–was blamed for not adjusting his game to fit Jeremy Lin’s, because Lin had a nice seven-game stretch. Unbelievable.
Now though, Anthony has begun to change, and so to has New York’s view of its star.
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After last season’s 17-win campaign, there is finally a buzz around the Knicks again thanks to this 19-year-old kid throwing down put-back slams like it’s his job because, well, it is his job! Imagine that, a Knick doing his job … crazy times we live in.
But it has been Carmelo Anthony who has quietly been the leader of this team, something fans have craved for since he got to New York. Finally, he’s allowing his teammates to be the centerpiece and “sit back” and watch.
By “sit back,” I mean that he’s been averaging 23 points per game on 41 percent shooting, as well as averaging 7.2 rebounds a game. Most impressive though has been the basic systematic change by which Carmelo plays the game of basketball now.
The previously extremely ball-dominant Anthony is now dishing and and getting teammates swishing, on pace for a career-high 621 PGA. His defense has improved even more drastically, however.
Before his injury last season, Anthony had a DFG% of 46 percent as teams hauled up nine shots per game against the Knicks’ supposed superstar. This season? It’s been a complete and total change, with Melo carrying a 32 percent DFG%, while teams have begun to make adjustments, only shooting eight attempts a game.
Again, it is still early in this season and we’ve seen Melo get off to these types of starts before only to relapse into his old self. But for now, Anthony seems like a changed man. He may only have a plus-1.7 when on the floor, but without him, the Knicks are at minus-2.7 without Melo on the court, the lowest of his tenure in New York.
With a young and explosive backcourt led by Langston Galloway and Jerian Grant and the human wrecking ball known as Kristaps Porzingis, the Knicks needed a veteran superstar that could put it all together and lift this team to new heights. Many had their doubts, but one thing has suddenly become very clear.
Carmelo Anthony is the right man for the job.
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All statistics courtesy of NBA.com/stats and Basketball-Reference.com.
"Carmelo Anthony has, in most fans eyes, been a disappointment as a New York Knick.
Despite leading the Knicks to three playoff appearances, including their first in six years, many New Yorkers expected the arrival of Melo to signal a new golden age for their Knicks when he was traded from Denver to the Big Apple in 2011. Many wanted to overlook what Anthony actually is, and instead hope for what he could be–a star capable of leading the Knicks to a championship.
Essentially, fans’ expectations were for LeBron James, Eater of Worlds.
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That is not what they got.
No, the Knicks got Carmelo Anthony, the superstar scorer that in 2012-13 would lead the league in scoring while leading his Knicks to a 54-win season, their best since 1996-97. Still though, it wasn’t enough, as New York lost in the second round of the playoffs.
The Anthony Era in New York has been something of a letdown for many. Again, the Knicks have made three playoff appearances, but they’ve only advanced past the first round once and Carmelo himself has been a letdown to many who heralded him as a savior.
Now is it fair for fans and media to look down upon Carmelo for not single handedly dragging a franchise that for the better part of a decade had been an embarrassment to the league? Absolutely not, but this is New York, baby! So when Melo failed to be a leader on both sides of the ball, the heat was on.
Until this season, Anthony’s average plus/minus for New York stood at just plus-1.275, a number many unfairly held up against LeBron’s plus-10.375 through that time. Similarly, Carmelo’s passing would come under fire, as he averaged 498 points generated off assists over the three seasons (roughly six points per game) before his injury-riddled 2014-15 campaign.
LeBron’s number over that time? Try 1,156 PGA with 14 points per game, more than doubling Carmelo’s totals.
But how are we supposed to compare Carmelo Anthony, who by all accounts is a great player and one of the games best pure scorers ever, to LeBron James, a man many claim to be the best ever? It simply isn’t fair to do!
Anthony would again come under fire when he was somehow blamed for putting an end to Lin-Sanity in 2012 by not meshing his style with that of Jeremy Lin‘s.
That’s right, Carmelo Anthony–superstar–was blamed for not adjusting his game to fit Jeremy Lin’s, because Lin had a nice seven-game stretch. Unbelievable.
Now though, Anthony has begun to change, and so to has New York’s view of its star.
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After last season’s 17-win campaign, there is finally a buzz around the Knicks again thanks to this 19-year-old kid throwing down put-back slams like it’s his job because, well, it is his job! Imagine that, a Knick doing his job … crazy times we live in.
But it has been Carmelo Anthony who has quietly been the leader of this team, something fans have craved for since he got to New York. Finally, he’s allowing his teammates to be the centerpiece and “sit back” and watch.
By “sit back,” I mean that he’s been averaging 23 points per game on 41 percent shooting, as well as averaging 7.2 rebounds a game. Most impressive though has been the basic systematic change by which Carmelo plays the game of basketball now.
The previously extremely ball-dominant Anthony is now dishing and and getting teammates swishing, on pace for a career-high 621 PGA. His defense has improved even more drastically, however.
Before his injury last season, Anthony had a DFG% of 46 percent as teams hauled up nine shots per game against the Knicks’ supposed superstar. This season? It’s been a complete and total change, with Melo carrying a 32 percent DFG%, while teams have begun to make adjustments, only shooting eight attempts a game.
Again, it is still early in this season and we’ve seen Melo get off to these types of starts before only to relapse into his old self. But for now, Anthony seems like a changed man. He may only have a plus-1.7 when on the floor, but without him, the Knicks are at minus-2.7 without Melo on the court, the lowest of his tenure in New York.
With a young and explosive backcourt led by Langston Galloway and Jerian Grant and the human wrecking ball known as Kristaps Porzingis, the Knicks needed a veteran superstar that could put it all together and lift this team to new heights. Many had their doubts, but one thing has suddenly become very clear.
Carmelo Anthony is the right man for the job.
Next: Every NBA Franchise's Mount Rushmore
All statistics courtesy of NBA.com/stats and Basketball-Reference.com.
I was in a wedding on Saturday. Me and a fellow groomsmen were streaming the game on his phone while sitting in front of 300 people. I jumped out of my seat during a toast when Krispy P blocked that shot that led to a deep Melo three in transition 
. People looking at me like 
I love my New York Knickerbockers.
. People looking at me like I love my New York Knickerbockers.
Miles Davis
Prince of Darkness
I wouldn't mind getting Durant during fa but I feel like it wouldn't gel to well. Who knows though another 2-3 pieces and we could definitely be a title contender. As much as I'd hate to get rid of some of the guys we have now since their chemistry seems to be great. I'll trust Phil in whatever he decides 
Trapperman Dave
Basil Fawty
Lol like imma say they can beat the squad i like. But if the hawks on nah knicks can't beat em the heat maybe if dwade can't go and i dont think dragic and bosh would be able to take over the whole series
