Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread
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The kid made 4 straight clutch plays to keep us in the game though. A block, then a steal, then a beautiful assist, then a drive on Adams. Sometimes you have to reward those things. If that was Derrick Williams or Lance Thomas who did that, I'd have said the same thing.
Then you have the added fact that this kid is your future. Get him used to clutch situations now. When the consequences hurt a lot less.
He was 5 for 18 at that point.......
I respect Afflalo for everything he's contributed, albeit inconsistently...
But I'm at a point where I'd rather Kris Kross pull up from 37 feet for the win.
He has that clutch gene.
But I'm at a point where I'd rather Kris Kross pull up from 37 feet for the win.
He has that clutch gene.
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Afflalo plays well but this dude think he Kobe sometimes. Last night was frustrating as hell, a full bottle of heineken got thrown across the room.
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world star p/the real 6gawd/zingis khan/young putback po
my nikka his heart/soul is black
he made that sacred connection way back when he decided to rock those cornrows and honor the black gawds
nyc's favorite white boy
ju dig¿
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my nikka his heart/soul is black
he made that sacred connection way back when he decided to rock those cornrows and honor the black gawds
nyc's favorite white boy
ju dig¿
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& the gawd(guard) play is trash
last legit point gawd/shooting gawd to play for us¿
its been a drought
fukk is going on¿
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last legit point gawd/shooting gawd to play for us¿
its been a drought
fukk is going on¿
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Short Version: There really shouldn't be moral victories for teams at this point in the season. Props to the effort and serious respect to the bench for the work it put in, but this team is close to a playoff berth and needs to close out games no matter the personnel. I respect that the coach got these guys to play so hard, but his decision making frustrated me as usual (even though I got his logic on everything he did). Now having noted my frustration points, it really was a good effort with a lot of nice team ball. A lot of players showed up and played well instead of shrinking in the face of two superstars going all out. The defense wasn't as bad as the numbers either imo; Payne, Durant, Westbrook and Waiters all knocked down a number of contested jumpers (especially from three) that kept them in pace to make it back and win the game. So yeah, this was promising, but frustrating.
KP: Ibaka and Adams did a really good job bodying the kid up and keeping him off balance. He still found ways to produce with a couple of blocks (the one on Westbrook was beautiful), 15 points (5-12 not terrible), 2 assists (the one to Galloway was beautiful) and 5 boards (could be better, but when he faces muscle this happens sometimes). KP picked up a couple of weak fouls early and he did a nice job avoiding that stuff later on. Defensively, he was a mixed bag. He did poorly on the boards (everyone did) and gave too much space to guys who can hit the jumper but he was still nice on interior contests (problem being the play isn't complete until you've secured the rebound). He flashed his potential though. He knocked down some jumpers, tried some post moves out and had some beautiful drives to the basket. The putback was awesome, lead pass to Galloway was brilliant and that block on Westbrook was sick.
Lance: He started off on fire but cooled considerably as the Thunder respected his threat more and more. Defensively he put up a commendable effort against a guy who can't be stopped and made a few nice plays throughout his time out there. He's always gonna have a couple of head scratching moments in a game, but he kept that to a minimum which was nice. When he's not forcing too much, he doesn't hurt us and he does a nice job of taking advantage when defenders sleep on him. 16 and 4 boards in 40 minutes, the caveat being that he put up a lot of numbers in the first half.
RoLo: Back to 20 minutes of RoLo and not surprisingly our interior defense suffered. He wasn't particularly good, against a fresh legged quality C he struggled. He's really managed to over rely on the hook shot as a go-to, launching it at times because he can't seem to get anything else. His defensive rebounding was weak (again everyone was bad here) but he did at least work the offensive glass well. 10, 6 in 22 minutes; I have an issue with the minutes but we'll get back to that.
Jose: So the adjustment for a hopelessly outmatched Calderon was to have our bigs float off their guys and be closer to Russ' driving lane...that was detrimental to everybody not named Jose, but at least he didn't give up any FG's in the first quarter -_-. Look, at the point where the only move to save Jose is to put your other defenders out of position...just bench him. Fish did that a lot in the second half so props there. Anyway, Jose tried earnestly on defense so I can't hate that and he had some nice moments creating offensively. I like him taking screens with the pull up jumper in mind because at least he's looking for his offense once or twice. He's also seemed to pick up Grant's in-out dribble to fake a defender into the screener before he takes the clear lane. This got him inside a couple of times where he made nice passes. 6 points and 6 assists in 20 minutes...this game ain't on him...but I think it does show he's a much more valuable player as a 20 minutes guy than a 30-35 minutes guy.
AA: 17 points on 21 attempts with just 2 assists...that is fairly horrific. To exacerbate everything, he struggled to defend Dion Waiters aka the guy everyone forgets in the Thunder starting line-up. This was just a bad one for him. I didn't think the looks he got were all bad, but the shot wasn't falling and he never made an active effort to create for others; which is where Melo has made his biggest shift...because if everyone knows you're gonna shoot, defending you is easy. AA is really looking streaky. He has these runs of exemplary play and then runs where he gets the same looks from the same spots but can't knock them down. When that happens, he can't afford to get cooked defensively and he needs to pass better. If I spent all season riding Lance for this issue, there's no way I'm gonna ignore AA showing similar traits.
Galloway: It's time to let him start and deal with the growing pains. We'll be a better team at the end of the season for it. He might not command an offense as well as Calderon (debatable though) but he defends better, is more athletic and can help us for years to come as opposed to being on the verge of retirement. Last night, Galloway flashed a really strong knowledge of the system and picked his spots incredibly well. On multiple occasions he pushed the pace which created easy baskets. 21 points, 3 assists, 5 boards and his rebounds lead to fast breaks. He made clutch plays late which are tarnished a bit by the missed FT but realistically we don't get into a position where that FT matters without him. Defensively, he wasn't great or anything but he didn't require an entire defensive shift.
D-Will: 19 points, 10 rebounds and 4 assists...and he actually did a solid job defensively. He needs to work on his boxing out for sure, but everything else was on display here. He fought for boards and got plenty, he actually moved the ball and he knocked down jumpers from all over the floor (wish he could do that consistently). His drives were really nicely done. He's been providing more consistent offensive play than our go-to's since Melo and KP got hurt while AA just vanished in a cold streak. This guy's play has been high quality for a nice run of games.
Seraphin: At a point where Melo's out and we don't have many guys that can create their own looks, Seraphin actually sorta makes sense. When he's making a clear effort to challenge players at the rim on defense, he's probably earning the minutes I've been dying for KOQ to lock up. KS was 4-8 with 8 points coming off of nice post isolations. He had 4 boards in 16 minutes, I'd like to see more but that's not the worst. He did fall into black hole status though, not making many passes let alone creating for others which is a wrinkle that really helps the post up guys in the triangle.
Grant: Was aggressive and bordering on brilliant with the early barrage he threw out there, but like Lance he faded when the defense adjusted (it also didn't help that he was essentially just setting up post isolations in the second half). Defensively he was cheating the passing lanes a lot which had mixed results. He had a couple of nice steals but also gave up easy drives at times. 7,6 and 2 with that pair of steals to boot in 20 minutes. I thought he challenged Payne well, but that kid was hitting ridiculous shots (put it this way, if he misses half the challenged threes, people are laughing at him for jacking up shots with KD and Westbrook as teammates). He's been flashing his promise more and more thanks to a more aggressive approach and his vision is the best on the team bar none. He needs picks to be effective or to be allowed to play through his mistakes instead of getting benched if they want him to figure out the triangle. Really solid game.
KOQ: Got three minutes, knocked down a three which was cool but also had the ugliest isolation of the season. Still not moving well enough laterally on defense either.
Sasha: You may have missed this, but for no real reason Fisher snuck this dude onto the court with under a minute left and no hope to comeback...and he still managed a negative plus minus because he's Sasha Vujacic.
Fisher: Serious props for getting the team energized and playing motivated basketball in a situation where they easily could have folded. More props for seeing that Jose couldn't be adjusted for against the Thunder and letting Galloway/Grant/AA be a three man backcourt rotation for a big chunk of time. Then more props for trying to ride hot hands and trusting some bench guys in the fourth. But seeing the troops work this hard makes their lack of energy in the two prior losses look worse. Figuring out that Jose couldn't hold his own defensively magnifies why he shouldn't be starting in the first place. Riding the hot hands was great, until Fish switched it up and went with AA post isolations out of two TO's in crunch time. That last bit of decision making really bothered me, because AA was ice cold and the guys who'd brought us back were LG and KP. The high pick and roll utilizing KP is a weapon that I don't mind us not abusing too much, but in key moments when KP AND the ball handler have both earned those reps...they should be rewarded imo. I get it though, AA's been clutch and is our go-to sans Melo; but Melo asked the coach to incorporate KP late because he was getting gassed in all those isolations, why wouldn't AA struggle just the same? D-Will and Lance played really well, but both guys should have seen a few less minutes to get RoLo in there and stop so many offensive rebounds for the Thunder imo. You can cut both those guys minutes 3 each and RoLo is in there for 6 more minutes banging with the bigs. I think that would have helped during the fourth quarter offensive lull where we had a lead to protect. He was also ineffective out of TO's late, with one play falling apart and isolations happening too much. AA isolated the last two plays of regulation and the first play of OT...0 points. He's been in a tough place, no Melo makes every rotation difficult and Lance was one of three reliable bench players...but that doesn't excuse his struggles because they're too closely related with his mistakes throughout the season regardless of team health. This was a bad one from him in my book.
Random: Payne looks like he smells terrible. Durant sometimes flops like Raekwon pretending to get shot. Westbrook's game is really impressive from an athletic and hustle stance but I always find myself thinking his IQ and skillful play are both lagging a bit behind because his athleticism lets him get away with decisions other guys couldn't make.
KP: Ibaka and Adams did a really good job bodying the kid up and keeping him off balance. He still found ways to produce with a couple of blocks (the one on Westbrook was beautiful), 15 points (5-12 not terrible), 2 assists (the one to Galloway was beautiful) and 5 boards (could be better, but when he faces muscle this happens sometimes). KP picked up a couple of weak fouls early and he did a nice job avoiding that stuff later on. Defensively, he was a mixed bag. He did poorly on the boards (everyone did) and gave too much space to guys who can hit the jumper but he was still nice on interior contests (problem being the play isn't complete until you've secured the rebound). He flashed his potential though. He knocked down some jumpers, tried some post moves out and had some beautiful drives to the basket. The putback was awesome, lead pass to Galloway was brilliant and that block on Westbrook was sick.
Lance: He started off on fire but cooled considerably as the Thunder respected his threat more and more. Defensively he put up a commendable effort against a guy who can't be stopped and made a few nice plays throughout his time out there. He's always gonna have a couple of head scratching moments in a game, but he kept that to a minimum which was nice. When he's not forcing too much, he doesn't hurt us and he does a nice job of taking advantage when defenders sleep on him. 16 and 4 boards in 40 minutes, the caveat being that he put up a lot of numbers in the first half.
RoLo: Back to 20 minutes of RoLo and not surprisingly our interior defense suffered. He wasn't particularly good, against a fresh legged quality C he struggled. He's really managed to over rely on the hook shot as a go-to, launching it at times because he can't seem to get anything else. His defensive rebounding was weak (again everyone was bad here) but he did at least work the offensive glass well. 10, 6 in 22 minutes; I have an issue with the minutes but we'll get back to that.
Jose: So the adjustment for a hopelessly outmatched Calderon was to have our bigs float off their guys and be closer to Russ' driving lane...that was detrimental to everybody not named Jose, but at least he didn't give up any FG's in the first quarter -_-. Look, at the point where the only move to save Jose is to put your other defenders out of position...just bench him. Fish did that a lot in the second half so props there. Anyway, Jose tried earnestly on defense so I can't hate that and he had some nice moments creating offensively. I like him taking screens with the pull up jumper in mind because at least he's looking for his offense once or twice. He's also seemed to pick up Grant's in-out dribble to fake a defender into the screener before he takes the clear lane. This got him inside a couple of times where he made nice passes. 6 points and 6 assists in 20 minutes...this game ain't on him...but I think it does show he's a much more valuable player as a 20 minutes guy than a 30-35 minutes guy.
AA: 17 points on 21 attempts with just 2 assists...that is fairly horrific. To exacerbate everything, he struggled to defend Dion Waiters aka the guy everyone forgets in the Thunder starting line-up. This was just a bad one for him. I didn't think the looks he got were all bad, but the shot wasn't falling and he never made an active effort to create for others; which is where Melo has made his biggest shift...because if everyone knows you're gonna shoot, defending you is easy. AA is really looking streaky. He has these runs of exemplary play and then runs where he gets the same looks from the same spots but can't knock them down. When that happens, he can't afford to get cooked defensively and he needs to pass better. If I spent all season riding Lance for this issue, there's no way I'm gonna ignore AA showing similar traits.
Galloway: It's time to let him start and deal with the growing pains. We'll be a better team at the end of the season for it. He might not command an offense as well as Calderon (debatable though) but he defends better, is more athletic and can help us for years to come as opposed to being on the verge of retirement. Last night, Galloway flashed a really strong knowledge of the system and picked his spots incredibly well. On multiple occasions he pushed the pace which created easy baskets. 21 points, 3 assists, 5 boards and his rebounds lead to fast breaks. He made clutch plays late which are tarnished a bit by the missed FT but realistically we don't get into a position where that FT matters without him. Defensively, he wasn't great or anything but he didn't require an entire defensive shift.
D-Will: 19 points, 10 rebounds and 4 assists...and he actually did a solid job defensively. He needs to work on his boxing out for sure, but everything else was on display here. He fought for boards and got plenty, he actually moved the ball and he knocked down jumpers from all over the floor (wish he could do that consistently). His drives were really nicely done. He's been providing more consistent offensive play than our go-to's since Melo and KP got hurt while AA just vanished in a cold streak. This guy's play has been high quality for a nice run of games.
Seraphin: At a point where Melo's out and we don't have many guys that can create their own looks, Seraphin actually sorta makes sense. When he's making a clear effort to challenge players at the rim on defense, he's probably earning the minutes I've been dying for KOQ to lock up. KS was 4-8 with 8 points coming off of nice post isolations. He had 4 boards in 16 minutes, I'd like to see more but that's not the worst. He did fall into black hole status though, not making many passes let alone creating for others which is a wrinkle that really helps the post up guys in the triangle.
Grant: Was aggressive and bordering on brilliant with the early barrage he threw out there, but like Lance he faded when the defense adjusted (it also didn't help that he was essentially just setting up post isolations in the second half). Defensively he was cheating the passing lanes a lot which had mixed results. He had a couple of nice steals but also gave up easy drives at times. 7,6 and 2 with that pair of steals to boot in 20 minutes. I thought he challenged Payne well, but that kid was hitting ridiculous shots (put it this way, if he misses half the challenged threes, people are laughing at him for jacking up shots with KD and Westbrook as teammates). He's been flashing his promise more and more thanks to a more aggressive approach and his vision is the best on the team bar none. He needs picks to be effective or to be allowed to play through his mistakes instead of getting benched if they want him to figure out the triangle. Really solid game.
KOQ: Got three minutes, knocked down a three which was cool but also had the ugliest isolation of the season. Still not moving well enough laterally on defense either.
Sasha: You may have missed this, but for no real reason Fisher snuck this dude onto the court with under a minute left and no hope to comeback...and he still managed a negative plus minus because he's Sasha Vujacic.
Fisher: Serious props for getting the team energized and playing motivated basketball in a situation where they easily could have folded. More props for seeing that Jose couldn't be adjusted for against the Thunder and letting Galloway/Grant/AA be a three man backcourt rotation for a big chunk of time. Then more props for trying to ride hot hands and trusting some bench guys in the fourth. But seeing the troops work this hard makes their lack of energy in the two prior losses look worse. Figuring out that Jose couldn't hold his own defensively magnifies why he shouldn't be starting in the first place. Riding the hot hands was great, until Fish switched it up and went with AA post isolations out of two TO's in crunch time. That last bit of decision making really bothered me, because AA was ice cold and the guys who'd brought us back were LG and KP. The high pick and roll utilizing KP is a weapon that I don't mind us not abusing too much, but in key moments when KP AND the ball handler have both earned those reps...they should be rewarded imo. I get it though, AA's been clutch and is our go-to sans Melo; but Melo asked the coach to incorporate KP late because he was getting gassed in all those isolations, why wouldn't AA struggle just the same? D-Will and Lance played really well, but both guys should have seen a few less minutes to get RoLo in there and stop so many offensive rebounds for the Thunder imo. You can cut both those guys minutes 3 each and RoLo is in there for 6 more minutes banging with the bigs. I think that would have helped during the fourth quarter offensive lull where we had a lead to protect. He was also ineffective out of TO's late, with one play falling apart and isolations happening too much. AA isolated the last two plays of regulation and the first play of OT...0 points. He's been in a tough place, no Melo makes every rotation difficult and Lance was one of three reliable bench players...but that doesn't excuse his struggles because they're too closely related with his mistakes throughout the season regardless of team health. This was a bad one from him in my book.
Random: Payne looks like he smells terrible. Durant sometimes flops like Raekwon pretending to get shot. Westbrook's game is really impressive from an athletic and hustle stance but I always find myself thinking his IQ and skillful play are both lagging a bit behind because his athleticism lets him get away with decisions other guys couldn't make.
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Hawks Asking For Trade Offers For Either Jeff Teague, Dennis Schroder - RealGM Wiretap
Told yall one of these two would be available before the deadline at the beginning of the season...looks like both are available for the right price. I don't know we have the assets to get it done, but Phil needs to give this a long hard look. Teague would be a great get.
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My dude is trying...please tell me yall remember my prediction that Teague would be available by the deadline. Because I remember getting pushback on that.
Told yall one of these two would be available before the deadline at the beginning of the season...looks like both are available for the right price. I don't know we have the assets to get it done, but Phil needs to give this a long hard look. Teague would be a great get.
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My dude is trying...please tell me yall remember my prediction that Teague would be available by the deadline. Because I remember getting pushback on that.
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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=grsce8c
IN 21 min a game vs the Knicks Schroder avg 10pts & 5 assists
I should include Timmy too.
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Victim of Racism
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Victim of Racism
I'm a brehette
Still only 2 games out of 8th
Orlando is
. They done dropped 11 of their last 12. I guess once a tanker, always a tanker. I'll take it. 
NY better 
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KP is a great player. He is the top 4 pick, which makes him the franchise player (yes, all of these statements differ from what I said earlier in the season), but he is still a rook. That is how Adams was able to lock him up late, and teams need people who can consistently create their own shots when that happens; KP isn't there yet. Players always lock him up in crunch time. Tristan did the same thing from the midway point of the 3rd quarter, all the way through the end of the game, in Cleveland. Those plays KP made late last night isn't the same thing as making shots, which is what NY needed at time because they didn't defend up to that point. Right now, NY ain't got the time to develop him when the game is on the line. They need to make this playoff push before it's too late. Nothing should be more important than winning, especially when NY does not have a playoff spot.
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Open Letter To Atlanta:
Please take Jose. 'Teague Time' in NY would be
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Please take Jose. 'Teague Time' in NY would be
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