Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

[storyteller]

How do my #Tape brehs feel about Teague?

It's baffling that Teague is on the trading block. smh

Teague has had an ankle issue for a while now and it's hindered his play a bit. He's still a massive upgrade compared to Jose on both ends, but Schroder has the better advanced numbers and between his age and contract just seems like a better value. For us, Teague's jumper makes him more valuable and I've always thought his defense is pretty solid historically. He's not all star Teague right now, Hawks fans at the other boards I peep have soured on him, but I think this is another buy low player who will reward us because he's playing with something to prove. I'm not sure how we get ATL to bite though, especially with several competing teams...we don't have much to offer barring a future first being in the deal (which I might do if we got rid of Jose in the process...then our cap space is almost completely untouched).

Edit: Also...if we could somehow get Justin Holiday, that'd be cool too.

 

[DPresidential]

Phil needs to do what he can to get Teague, obviously he fills a major need, but he also frees up the Knicks to go after another good player in the off season to help round out the roster, instead of potentially blowing most of the cap space on one PG this offseason. Also this team with Teague on it suddenly looks a lot more enticing to potential free agents. This could be a major, major deal for the Knicks.

This.

Is Lance Thomas going to be in a NY uniform after this year? I hope so but the money he may demand may be outside of the price range if it comes down to choosing between him and Galloway.

"Phil needs to do what he can" - Perfectly worded. Not do whatever it takes. I'm not trying to destroy this team for a PG who's seemed to decrease in performance because of lack of motivation.

It's scary to think that we'd have to give up Galloway, Lance or D. Will for Teague.

If only Kyle O'Quinn showed more...I'd be willing to use Calderon, O'Quinn, Early for pieces in a 3 team trade to get Teague.


I am engaged in a conversation with my boy, who's a Bulls fan, and he's telling me that considering every team HAS to make moves with the bullseye on trying to beat GSW, a must going forward is a killer at PG.

I have to agree. We may need to get someone like Teague(Who's not a killer) and play him in a way that shows Westbrook that his form of PG style would work in NY.

It makes sense since Teague's contract is up when Westbrook becomes a free agent.

 

[RickyGQ]

Let's say Conley is a lock this summer? Do yall still trade for Teague now? While I agree a bird in the hand is worth more, I still think Conley is the better PG. however, I want to make the playoffs now and he IS a year younger.

If it comes down to money, what will Teague command in 2017 FA? Going against Russy should temper his market a little but will it still be over that 18 we could possibly get Conley for?

 

[Victim of Racism]

Teague has had an ankle issue for a while now and it's hindered his play a bit. He's still a massive upgrade compared to Jose on both ends, but Schroder has the better advanced numbers and between his age and contract just seems like a better value. For us, Teague's jumper makes him more valuable and I've always thought his defense is pretty solid historically. He's not all star Teague right now, Hawks fans at the other boards I peep have soured on him, but I think this is another buy low player who will reward us because he's playing with something to prove. I'm not sure how we get ATL to bite though, especially with several competing teams...we don't have much to offer barring a future first being in the deal (which I might do if we got rid of Jose in the process...then our cap space is almost completely untouched).

Edit: Also...if we could somehow get Justin Holiday, that'd be cool too.

I hope Atl ain't lyin' about NY being in the mix and just throwing NY's name out there to inflate Teague's value. Teams and agents always do that to NY.

 

[Wargames]

Let's say Conley is a lock this summer? Do yall still trade for Teague now? While I agree a bird in the hand is worth more, I still think Conley is the better PG. however, I want to make the playoffs now and he IS a year younger.

If it comes down to money, what will Teague command in 2017 FA? Going against Russy should temper his market a little but will it still be over that 18 we could possibly get Conley for?

No Teague would be the PG for the future and I like him more for the triangle than Conley cause Atlanta runs a system where he has to look to pass.

There are a lot of scenarios that could be made into a package around AA, Calderon, O'quinn, Seraphin, D-Will, Grant and Lance that work in a trade for Teague. At this point I could see the biggest issue being 1st round picks. Phil doesn't give those up easily. Also I would not be surprised if D-Will, AA, or Lance is part of the Package. Those 3 are the knicks best assets and all need to be paid sooner than later.

 

[OsO]

Teague is nice.

I'd give up any combo of Jose, Seraphin, O'Quinn, DWill, Lance, or Grant, for Teague.

Maybe even Galloway if the offer was right.

Edit: And it would be hard to give up AA.

 

[Ironman]

3. 'Melo, KP, and Arron. Stop denying the Big 3.

I'm pissed at his chucking ass right now Say something

 

[Wargames]

I'm concerned that Atl is lying about NY being in the mix and is just throwing NY's name out there to inflate Teague's value. Teams and agents always do that to NY.

Very true, we haven't heard a rumor about a knicks trade prior to the trade yet. It wouldn't matter then, though. No trade means the knicks are still on the path they are on now.

Though I will say this, I do think its a bit of a trend of Phil making trades after he sits live for a national game. He tends to judge who needs to go based on who shows up and who doesn't during those games.

 

[Wargames]

Also side note if the deal is for DWill and Calderon for Teague straight up PER Wise Atlanta wins that trade. DWill has been balling that well these last few weeks.

 

[Kitsch]

If it isn't from Phil or Steve, I don't want to hear it.

 

[storyteller]

And Calderon is set to make 7.7 Mill.


Phil please beat the Hawks in the head again on some Masai shyt...
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hh5cwcm

Letting Schroeder take the starting pg position in ATL, this isn't that bad of a 3 team trade.

I love that the trade machine suggests that deal is a trip

I'm concerned that Atl is lying about NY being in the mix and is just throwing NY's name out there to inflate Teague's value. Teams and agents always do that to NY.

Good point, the reports are "several teams have inquired...and the Knicks are one of them" which is pretty sketchy but I heard Woj is cosigning it and I don't like his analysis but he has legit sources so he's usually solid on that front.

 

[DPresidential]

I love that the trade machine suggests that deal is a nega



Good point, the reports are "several teams have inquired...and the Knicks are one of them" which is pretty sketchy but I heard Woj is cosigning it and I don't like his analysis but he has legit sources so he's usually solid on that front.

Phil would come out and say No very soon if that's the case. I'm hoping.

And @storyteller you're right, trade machine can't even begin to factor in so many variables.

 

[Ironman]

Don't take D Will, Grant, Gallo, Quinn, or...dare I say Lance Gotdammnit Thomas

 

[DPresidential]

Don't take D Will, Grant, Gallo, Quinn, or...dare I say Lance Gotdammnit Thomas

Let them have O'Quinn.

Al Horford is a free agent coming up and they need depth there.

He's not getting play time with us the way he needs.

I want D. Will, Grant, Galloway and Lance on this team for the foreseeable future.

Gun to my head though... Galloway is the one I'd let go. Grant still strikes me as having star quality once something clicks.

 

[Victim of Racism]

Ur making the point that its defense is the issue which is fine,but 3 of the 4 teams are still better offensive teams than NY...so offense is also an issue in that argument...

I realize youd like to use 15 games to make an argument,the problem with that bae is the games before your arbitrary selected number still count in the standings...There was a 15 game stretch where Andrea Barn yawny was an all star calibre player in this league...

I think NY is better offensively than those 4 teams when healthy and NY is healthy now. You disagree and that is ok. NY's terrible stretch to start the season doesn't count, simply because of the reason they struggled, which is health. 'Melo will not be going back to shooting 37% from the field consistently, and he was the main one dragging the offense down. Jose also won't be going back to shooting 26% from the field and 20% from 3 consistently.

In the same way, NY defended well for the 1st month. Their defense has been trash for the last 2 months. I will not look at NY's opp fg%, opp3fg%, ppg allowed, opp ft%, offensive rebounding, defensive rebounding, overall rebounding, and blks, for the season, and believe those numbers define them. I will look at those numbers over the last 15 games to determine where they are defensively. 15 is as far as the league's official site will let you go back and I think it's a solid measure because that is a lot of games. Over that stretch, NY was terrible defensively. The league's official site will also let you look month by month, which is an even more solid measure, and NY has been top 10 offensively since November, but they have been trash defensively since then. So, to me, they are a solid offensive team and trash defensively. Again, it's ok if you disagree.