Putin sending 63 year old men to war

[Spence]

Let’s game this out though and say Putin actually pops off one of them thangs. Ukraine doesn’t have nukes so who retaliates? Does Russia even have a nuclear defense shield?
Would we be able to stop any additional missiles getting off the ground to ensure the entire earth isn’t destroyed if we let a few loose at Moscow?
I’m actually a little upset if we wash these ngas and I didn’t get to see historical red square before it got wiped off the map

 

[Spence]

The West is finally testing weapons against these frauds and it’s not looking good

What we’ve sent aren’t even current or next gen, it’s shyt we had laying around in the attic from the Iraq war 20 years ago

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

They have over 1m of trained troops throughout the country

This simply is not true. The fact that they are conscribing is a testament to that. Why send in cannon fodder if you have a million trained men ready to go? You sound insane.

and still have 60% of their mechanized vehicles that haven’t been deployed.

Prove it. Link me to something, anything that can prove that.

They aren’t going to send that in and get the same outcome so they are sending low level (aged men and untrained wussies ) as cannon fodder

Once again, you sound as insane as the strategy you claim is being used.

I’ve already stated that Putin believes many countries will fold during the winter , with recession and not enough food and power support for Ukraine will falter and then he will look to bring in more of his higher caliber troops and arms .

More bloc babble.

If you’re too much of a dunce to understand basic strategy then that fines.

Never did I say Russia didn’t lose a ton of its best during the first waves nor am I saying Russia is going to be successful. I’m stating facts and what most US intel knows

Finally, something sensible.....and then you fall on your face again. Please link to where US intel says this. Just one link.

And as others mentioned this is a test of western tech vs Russia tech and Russia realizes they are behind by a significant margin. They are trying to analyze all the tech (from munitions and destroyed equipment) but doubtful they will be able to do this quick enough during the next 6 months to do anything remotely valuable

The test ended when Javelins got busted out. And so far as Russians analyzing Western tech, let them have at it. They can't build it and they can't counter it. All they can do is fawn over it with awe until one of them explodes on them.

 

[Maquina]

Let’s game this out though and say Putin actually pops off one of them thangs. Ukraine doesn’t have nukes so who retaliates? Does Russia even have a nuclear defense shield?
Would we be able to stop any additional missiles getting off the ground to ensure the entire earth isn’t destroyed if we let a few loose at Moscow?
I’m actually a little upset if we wash these ngas and I didn’t get to see historical red square before it got wiped off the map

No scenario where he and Russia let anything go outside of a proper invasion and I actually think we could infringe on west Russia up to a point and they wouldn’t let anything go.

With the fraility of the military tech, I doubt they have any superior nuclear weaponry to penetrate all the nuclear shields nato and the U.S. has unless they launch everything they have at once

 

[Spence]

No scenario where he and Russia let anything go outside of a proper invasion and I actually think we could infringe on west Russia up to a point and they wouldn’t let anything go.

With the fraility of the military tech, I doubt they have any superior nuclear weaponry to penetrate all the nuclear shields nato and the U.S. has unless they launch everything they have at once

That’s the situation I’m eluding to. They send one or two at Ukraine that actually land and do damage and kill a bunch of civilians. We retaliate and in doing so Russia let’s em all loose.

I know for sure the EU looking to take back that Russian port off the coast of Poland too since it’s been there for a good minute. They can’t protect everything at all times especially if Ukraine starts taking back Crimea and looks to take some of Russias lands too.

 

[Spence]

This simply is not true. The fact that they are conscribing is a testament to that. Why send in cannon fodder if you have a million trained men ready to go? You sound insane.

Prove it. Link me to something, anything that can prove that.

Once again, you sound as insane as the strategy you claim is being used.

More bloc babble.



Finally, something sensible.....and then you fall on your face again. Please link to where US intel says this. Just one link.

The test ended when Javelins got busted out. And so far as Russians analyzing Western tech, let them have at it. They can't build it and they can't counter it. All they can do is fawn over it with awe until one of them explodes on them.

That singular weapon has blown up Russian strategy centered around tank warfare to bits since they’ve been abandoning tanks and positions left and right. I can’t wait to see Ukrainians pulling up with refurbed Russian tanks on some @do we have a prollem” shyt

 

[Maquina]

This simply is not true. The fact that they are conscribing is a testament to that. Why send in cannon fodder if you have a million trained men ready to go? You sound insane.

Prove it. Link me to something, anything that can prove that.

Once again, you sound as insane as the strategy you claim is being used.

More bloc babble.



Finally, something sensible.....and then you fall on your face again. Please link to where US intel says this. Just one link.

The test ended when Javelins got busted out. And so far as Russians analyzing Western tech, let them have at it. They can't build it and they can't counter it. All they can do is fawn over it with awe until one of them explodes on them.

Damn - I can't stand pitiful posters like you. You probably get screamed on by your GF/Wife all day and go down in the basement on your PC to try to argue with us about stuff you don't know anything about. I'm posting on my phone while cooking breakfast and you're over there multi-quoting everything I said line for line 9am on a Sunday.

Then you ask for proof of stuff that is well known but argue about it without taking any real position and providing no proof yourself.

1) Tell me how large is the Russian Army if you don't believe it's 1m . It was 1.2m before the war and they lost at most 100k troops and I'm speaking solely on combat personnel , the actual armed forces including reservist that recently had service in the last 3 years is like double that (2m-ish). Prove me wrong.

2) primarily Russia mechanized equipment is for defense this is basic; anyone with any military background or intel background or russian intel background knows this. To think Russia used all or anything above 60% of it's equipment into Ukraine leaving their homeland without proper defenses is ridiculous and only a complete idiot would entertain an idea. Prove me wrong.

3) You said the strategy is insane but it's the same strategy they used in WW2 and we already know they are sending many of those new or aged recruits to Ukraine (at least that's what intel has hypothized) so if not for cannon fodder to extend pressure through the winter, why else would they send potentially untrained and aging troops to defend land they stole in Ukraine? Make it make sense.

You called this more bloc babble - but Russia has cut of oil supplies and severely limited pipelines into Europe - coming into the winter. For what reason? again make it make sense. Do you even keep up with the international economy?

Prove me wrong and how the two don't go hand in hand


4) As far as the tech go, Russia will analyze it for sure and the US will keep developing better. The tech we sent to Ukraine while top notch and cutting edge, will pale in comparison to what we have in the pipeline

 

[MikelArteta]

putin strategy is for the winter

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

Damn - I can't stand pitiful posters like you. You probably get screamed on by your GF/Wife all day and go down in the basement on your PC to try to argue with us about stuff you don't know anything about. I'm posting on my phone while cooking breakfast and you're over there multi-quoting everything I said line for line 9am on a Sunday.

Then you ask for proof of stuff that is well known but argue about it without taking any real position and providing no proof yourself.

1) Tell me how large is the Russian Army if you don't believe it's 1m . It was 1.2m before the war and they lost at most 100k troops and I'm speaking solely on combat personnel , the actual armed forces including reservist that recently had service in the last 3 years is like double that (2m-ish). Prove me wrong.

2) primarily Russia mechanized equipment is for defense this is basic; anyone with any military background or intel background or russian intel background knows this. To think Russia used all or anything above 60% of it's equipment into Ukraine leaving their homeland without proper defenses is ridiculous and only a complete idiot would entertain an idea. Prove me wrong.

3) You said the strategy is insane but it's the same strategy they used in WW2 and we already know they are sending many of those new or aged recruits to Ukraine (at least that's what intel has hypothized) so if not for cannon fodder to extend pressure through the winter, why else would they send potentially untrained and aging troops to defend land they stole in Ukraine? Make it make sense.

You called this more bloc babble - but Russia has cut of oil supplies and severely limited pipelines into Europe - coming into the winter. For what reason? again make it make sense. Do you even keep up with the international economy?

Prove me wrong and how the two don't go hand in hand


4) As far as the tech go, Russia will analyze it for sure and the US will keep developing better. The tech we sent to Ukraine while top notch and cutting edge, will pale in comparison to what we have in the pipeline

 

[Maquina]

Putin’s strategy to weaponize winter

As the summer war in Ukraine transitions into autumn and the harvesting of sunflowers begins, repeated Russian military setbacks in the Donbas region and Kherson Oblast are forcing Vladimir Putin t…

thehill.com

Winter is coming, and Putin is failing | The Strategist

When Russian President Vladimir Putin launched his war of aggression against Ukraine on 24 February, he evidently expected a quick and easy victory. Having implied in his speeches that Ukraine was a flimsy fiction of ...

www.aspistrategist.org.au

Despite long-range weather forecasts to the contrary, Putin is gambling on a brutally cold and snowy winter like that of 1941, which helped derail the German army’s attack on Moscow during Operation Barbarossa. Theoretically, the Kremlin’s strategic aim is to produce an energy crisis in the dead of a European winter to break the will of NATO from continuing to militarily and economically support Kyiv. The underlying assumption is that Europeans would choose warmth and comfort over Ukraine’s independence.

Putin couldn’t be more wrong.

The U.S., NATO and the EU need to put on their best game face and shut down this course of action now. Putin is in trouble and the alliance has a small window of opportunity to drive Russia out of Ukraine before winter sets in.

The Russian 3rd Army Corps, composed mostly of minimally trained volunteer battalions, is being sent to the front to shore up defenses and buy time, but it may take until November to get them and their decrepit equipment in position. While they await a cavalry, Russia once again will turn to its artillery to keep Ukraine’s military at arm’s length and continue the reign of terror against unarmed civilians in Kharkiv, Odesa and other towns in southern Ukraine.

The linchpin to Putin’s “winterization” strategy, though, is energy — natural gas, and nuclear-powered electricity — and he needs a cold winter to play it. He built European dependence on Russian gas brilliantly over the past decade and is prepared to use it as leverage against NATO and EU countries supporting Ukraine. On Sept. 3, Russian state-owned energy giant Gazprom announced it was shutting down the Nord Stream 1 pipeline, which distributes natural gas to Europe through Germany, and that “the pipeline will not resume in full until the collective West lifts sanctions against Moscow over its invasion of Ukraine.

everything I stated about Russia strategy is echoed by several respected outlets - again some of yall are arguing without actually doing any research and are just reading headlines nor have ANY experience in the intel/military world.

 

[east]

This simply is not true. The fact that they are conscribing is a testament to that. Why send in cannon fodder if you have a million trained men ready to go? You sound insane.

this is kinda devil's advocate but to wipe out tatars/chechens/dagestanis/bashkirs/eastern ukrainians/prisoners/protestors/other undesirables? get two birds stoned with one blunt or something, then repopulate donbas with ethnic russians like they've done throughout their history.

 

[Maquina]

this is kinda devil's advocate but to wipe out tatars/chechens/dagestanies/bashkirs/eastern ukrainians/prisoners/protestors/other undesirables? get two birds stoned with one blunt or something, then repopulate donbas with ethnic russians like they've done throughout their history.

exactly

some people are so basic and I don't mean to just continue piling up on @Orbital-Fetus but it's like you post 1 + 1 = 2 and someone comes in and says "nah it's 5" and tries to belittle you about it even though they are 100% wrong.

 

[Spence]

Putin’s strategy to weaponize winter

As the summer war in Ukraine transitions into autumn and the harvesting of sunflowers begins, repeated Russian military setbacks in the Donbas region and Kherson Oblast are forcing Vladimir Putin t…

thehill.com

Winter is coming, and Putin is failing | The Strategist

When Russian President Vladimir Putin launched his war of aggression against Ukraine on 24 February, he evidently expected a quick and easy victory. Having implied in his speeches that Ukraine was a flimsy fiction of ...

www.aspistrategist.org.au

everything I stated about Russia strategy is echoed by several respected outlets - again some of yall are arguing without actually doing any research and are just reading headlines nor have ANY experience in the intel/military world.

That’s a really dumb strategy. Even if it’s a cold winter the EU will help get that natural gas discovery in Donetsk/Donbas going to solve that problem. Shouldn’t be too hard to get trucks and a refinery in place on Ukrainian land to ease those problems. It won’t be as efficient as the Russian pipeline but they can soldier that shyt with the output that is estimated and Russia took over quickly so that Ukraine wouldn’t take money away from Russia on by selling cheap natural gas to Europe.

 

[Spence]

this is kinda devil's advocate but to wipe out tatars/chechens/dagestanis/bashkirs/eastern ukrainians/prisoners/protestors/other undesirables? get two birds stoned with one blunt or something, then repopulate donbas with ethnic russians like they've done throughout their history.

Russia does that and those new troops will defect or just plane run away.

 

[Maquina]

That’s a really dumb strategy. Even if it’s a cold winter the EU will help get that natural gas discovery in Donetsk/Donbas going to solve that problem. Shouldn’t be too hard to get trucks and a refinery in place on Ukrainian land to ease those problems. It won’t be as efficient as the Russian pipeline but they can soldier that shyt with the output that is estimated and Russia took over quickly so that Ukraine wouldn’t take money away from Russia on by selling cheap natural gas to Europe.

even in a perfect world (assuming EU could process additional nat gas at the speed they could crude), this is literally the only strategy Putin has left to eke out a win , other than nuclear.

Russia does that and those new troops will defect or just plane run away.

they already said in certain regions they will kill on sight defectors. anyone who has applied for passports in the last month are also being automatically conscripted.

I imagine a Russia dressed man running across the front lines is between a rock and hard place...both ending in death.