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Of course the Earth.

(Assuming I know where you're headed: People didn't create the Universe with our consciousness. The empty Universe realized it existed at some point. This idea? thought process?
This idea came from who? And how would you possibly know? And what evidence would you have for this?
 

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This idea came from who? And how would you possibly know? And what evidence would you have for this?

My method od discovery is the ever reliable "thought experiment" as popularized by Einstein.

As for "who?" the ideas ca me from: I definitely read and talked to 1000 contributors but all in all I would say I am the one to put all this together.

Evidence? Normally I say "take a breath". The spiritual nature of the Universe is intangible. Therefore it is not possible to measure it with physical instruments.

Back to "intuition".
 

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What are the objective predictive implications of your god theory?

My theory on the creator never took into considerations making predictions. my main goal, and one I continue to grow, refine and expand is to gain a solid understanding and discover the true nature of the creator as well as to why I was created. I am not trying to be a new age Nostradamus, I'm just trying to put pieces of a puzzle together so that it makes sense to me.

what is your religious choice?
What is your take/theory on the Creator?
 

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My method od discovery is the ever reliable "thought experiment" as popularized by Einstein.
So now do you understand why i keep asking for implications and predictive power. Einstein laid out specific predictions and experimental posits for his thought experiments and not until they were confirmed did he get the nobel. A thought experiment is as valid as a non thought without implications.
 

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You're very defensive, I can see why. We dont know why this phenomenon occurs, to jump to them being conscious is premature to say the least considering that the atoms are responding in a very basic and binary fashion, ie particle or wave. The thing is, your theoretical explanation of consciousness is pretty useless without predictive implications.

Most definitely, because I can see where your questioning is leading. you're not trying to spark a conversation and the 2 of us exchange information in attempts of learning new things, the questioning as been 1 sided with little to no informational input on your behalf. so yea, I'm going to be defensive because you're not questioning me to learn or compare knowledge you're questioning me to try and find a chink in my postings.

But to retort your drop on atoms and my theoretical explanation, so because I don't apply predictive implications to it then it must be flawed? lol ok breh.
 

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That is not a luxury that logic allows to you. Otherwise anyone can say anything and it is just as valid as your claim

I don't understand how you arrived at that understanding or assumption but lol, cool. thanks for your input breh.
 

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what is your religious choice?
What is your take/theory on the Creator?
I have no orthodox religion
I dont really understand the creator question, if i dont need to undertand or know who created your creator, whom i presume is much more complex than the universe, then why do i need to claim a creator for the universe? If the creator can just be then why cant the universe just be?
 

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you're not questioning me to learn or compare knowledge you're questioning me to try and find a chink in my postings.
I already see a chink in your postings, im trying to see if i can expose it to you, this is harder to do than just stating it outright, othetwise you would have seen it yourself already
 

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so because I don't apply predictive implications to it then it must be flawed?
I dont know if it is flawed, i strongly suspect that it is, but what i do know is that it is scientifically irrelevant
 

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My method od discovery is the ever reliable "thought experiment" as popularized by Einstein.

As for "who?" the ideas ca me from: I definitely read and talked to 1000 contributors but all in all I would say I am the one to put all this together.

Evidence? Normally I say "take a breath". The spiritual nature of the Universe is intangible. Therefore it is not possible to measure it with physical instruments.

Back to "intuition".

aye Ghost what's your full theory on the creator my dude?
 

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So now do you understand why i keep asking for implications and predictive power. Einstein laid out specific predictions and experimental posits for his thought experiments and not until they were confirmed did he get the nobel. A thought experiment is as valid as a non thought without implications.

Welp. Since actually measuring it is impossible (spiritual being non material by very definition) you have to make some assumptions and use your antenna to feel the vibe.

If you can't allow for that, then your search will end where yours has ended. With what you can see.

This is not (cannot) be a verifiable scientific theory.
 

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aye Ghost what's your full theory on the creator my dude?

Science and Religion agree that the Universe was empty, then it came into being. The void somehow realized it existed. No small feat when there's nothing to compare one's self to. No movement. Nothing within or without. Even so, G-d said to itself "I am" (I'm here. I exist). The very "thought" of existence created existence. This is the Big Bang / Let there be light moment.

All the most elementary particles (Hydrogen and a split second later Helium) came into being, formed stars and started forming more complex particles inside the stars. The particles do this because they are made to do it and they know what to do.

Once you have 100 something elements, you get an Earth like planet which can spawn life. Earth is like a seed. Mars and Venus were possible "Earth"s but only one of the three seeds sprouted (the right amount of Sun and Water).

So creation is proceeding along the trajectory laid out at the first moment of creation. So G-d made everything, but not like we do with our hands.
 
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