Question for my African American and Caribbean Brothers in America

[ignorethis]

You do realize Indians and Chinese are the masters of that technique right?





THE COMMUNITIES ARE HUGE BECAUSE THEY ARE PRACTICING GROUP ECONOMICS. IF AFRICANS WERE DOING THAT THE NUMBERS WOULD BE HIGH AND NOT FRAGMENTED BECAUSE THEY'D HAVE HIGH SUCCESS RATES OF FLIPPING FRESH OFF THE BOATS.

Nah, we aren't even getting close to the same amount of Visas as Asians and Hispanics. That and the lack of a efficient form of illegal immigration keeps our numbers down.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Racism wasn't really prevalent in a lot of the carribbean, it was more classism.

 

[Innocent Poster...:mjpls:]

true true...i come from kinda elitist parents that kinda looked down on all Americans in general but "black Americans" moreso....that was passed down to me (not making excuses) so that's as issue i admittedly need to work on and make a conscious effort to not judge people as "a group" quite so much.

You're a fuucking Jamaican from a sh!tty country. We look down on you, not the other way around. You yardies have some nerve.

 

[ignorethis]

I just wanna say the African/African-American divide is really overblown on this site, some of our parents hold prejudices against American Blacks, but as another poster said, it's not hate as much as disappointment.

My dad worked as a teacher in a Alternative Learning Center, and had a good relationship with his students; one day he came home and shared a discussion about racism he had with some students. The student were basically telling him about how society sets them up to fail, my dad responded "I'm not saying racism doesn't exist, but the problem is you guys see and are aware of the traps and are still falling into them, eventually you have to take accountability for the situtation."

I was telling my dad that he was oversimplifying the problem, but that is basically the mentality of most African parents, "learn how to play the game". I'm shocked when you guys say that Africans like whites and shun blacks, when every African kid knows African parents distrust and dislike oyinbos way more than they dislike akatas. Africans just tolerated and coexist with whites because they understand the U.S. is a white-supremacist society and you have to play by their rules to make it; but put a African in a supervisor or power position and you can bet they'll make your life/job hell for a white person before a black.

 

[bouncy]

I just wanna say the African/African-American divide is really overblown on this site, some of our parents hold prejudices against American Blacks, but as another poster said, it's not hate as much as disappointment.

My dad worked as a teacher in a Alternative Learning Center, and had a good relationship with his students; one day he came home and shared a discussion about racism he had with some students. The student were basically telling him about how society sets them up to fail, my dad responded "I'm not saying racism doesn't exist, but the problem is you guys see and are aware of the traps and are still falling into them, eventually you have to take accountability for the situtation."

I was telling my dad that he was oversimplifying the problem, but that is basically the mentality of most African parents, "learn how to play the game". I'm shocked when you guys say that Africans like whites and shun blacks, when every African kid knows African parents distrust and dislike oyinbos way more than they dislike akatas. Africans just tolerated and coexist with whites because they understand the U.S. is a white-supremacist society and you have to play by they rules to make it; but put a African in a supervisor or power position and you can bet they'll make your life/job hell for a white person before a black.

I understand that BUT, how the hell is it disappointment when the fact that most black foreigners are here because of blacks fighting for equality. Have you seen the immigrant numbers and how they shyt on blacks, and AA spoke up against it. Why no props for that?. The fight is still going on. All blacks aren't fukked up, so how can it be disappointment, in the sense that the U.S.A. isn't peaches and cream yet foreigners look at us AA as we are just so lazy we won't take advantage of the help that government wants to give us.?. It's very disrespectful. How can a few hundred thousand people or even a couple of million people compare themselves to around 40 million who have a history of fighting for every gain they make in this country?. A lot of latins can blend in so they can bring their spoils back into some of their community, while we can't, so it is really a fight us. You can say how you feel once you think about what you're saying and being respectful about it. How the fukk can someone look down on my people when you are leaving YOUR country where everyone looks like you, to do better here?. That makes no sense. I'm a minority here AND, it's a racists as well as has classism, yet we still aren't destitute(we can do better though). For gods sake, we have our own colleges and universities, and we fight the fight other groups aren't doing as much as they could. Why can't they give props, hook up with the AA who aren't about the bullshyt, and we grow as a race or even just being minorities, while we are in this racists society?. Instead, we are disrespectful towards each other in subtle ways. It is so tiring.

 

[ignorethis]

I understand that BUT, how the hell is it disappointment when the fact that most black foreigners are here because of blacks fighting for equality. Have you seen the immigrant numbers and how they shyt on blacks, and AA spoke up against it. Why no props for that?. The fight is still going on. All blacks aren't fukked up, so how can it be disappointment, in the sense that the U.S.A. isn't peaches and cream yet foreigners look at us AA as we are just so lazy we won't take advantage of the help that government wants to give us.?. It's very disrespectful. How can a few hundred thousand people or even a couple of million people compare themselves to around 40 million who have a history of fighting for every gain they make in this country?. A lot of latins can blend in so they can bring their spoils back into some of their community, while we can't, so it is really a fight us. You can say how you feel once you think about what you're saying and being respectful about it. How the fukk can someone look down on my people when you are leaving YOUR country where everyone looks like you, to do better here?. That makes no sense. I'm a minority here AND, it's a racists as well as has classism, yet we still aren't destitute(we can do better though), and we fight the fight other groups aren't doing as much as they could. Why can't they give props, hook up with the AA who aren't about the bullshyt, and we grow as a race or even just being minorities, while we are in this racists society. Instead, we are disrespectful towards each other in subtle ways. It is so tiring.

Like I said, I didn't agree with my dad. But, we're talking about black society today as in high dropout rates, incarceration rates, poverty rates. No African denies that the Black Civil Rights movement paved the way for us to prosper here, but the opinion of most African parents is simplified to "To these white people we're all ******s, but I managed to prosper through the same racism and poverty you faced, why can't you?".

They ignorantly overlook the decades/centuries of social conditioning and societal neglect causing societal, financial, and familial dysfunction that attributed to the problems, which is why I always tell my dad that he's wrong and not looking at the whole picture.

I've also mentioned this before, when our parent came here in the 70s/80s/even 90s African-Americans wanted nothing to do with them, a lot of them came to the U.S. looking at black Americans as "cousins", and in return American blacks rejected them as much as they could. Imagine coming to a country and not only the white people look down on you, but the people that you expected to have something in common with, you listened to their musicians, you studied their history, also look down on you/call you names/target you for crimes. That is also the cause of some African's petty (or sometimes not so petty) grudges toward American blacks.

 

[bouncy]

Like I said, I didn't agree with my dad. But, we're talking about black society today as in high dropout rates, incarceration rates, poverty rates. No African denies that the Black Civil Rights movement paved the way for us to prosper here, but the opinion of most African parents is simplified to "To these white people we're all ******s, but I managed to prosper through the same racism and poverty you faced, why can't you?".

They ignorantly overlook the decades/centuries of social conditioning and societal neglect causing societal, financial, and familial dysfunction that attributed to the problems, which is why I always tell my dad that he's wrong and not looking at the whole picture.

I've also mentioned this before, when our parent came here in the 70s/80s/even 90s African-Americans wanted nothing to do with them, a lot of them came to the U.S. looking at black Americans as "cousins", and in return American blacks rejected them as much as they could. Imagine coming to a country and not only the white people look down on you, but the people that you expected to have something in common with, you listened to their musicians, you studied their history, also look down on you/call you names/target you for crimes. That is also the cause of some African's petty (or sometimes not so petty) grudges toward American blacks.

Yeah, I remember blacks shytting on foreigners BUT, it wasn't just AA. I remember when ALL black foreigners shytted on hatitans. Yet, they still had hate towards us, like no one else dissed them. It was a west indian thing against AA. It is straight up hating, when you side with people who dissed you. I do agree though we did play a part in the bullshyt but, again why look at ALL of us badly, instead of a certain type especially if they come from classism in their societies, as some claim on here. If anything they should have taught us the difference since this was a mostly racists society.

Like I said we could do better but, we aren't outright fukked up. Again we have a fight everyday. Look how the inner city schools are underfunded, and now they are closing them. Nothing is being done to change it for the most part because it was happening in the 90's when I was in school. They come to the inner cities and do a smash and grab with the school districts budgets. We complain but it comes off as "those blacks are always complaining". The fact that my people made such a huge change in a short amount of time considering I can't talk in another language to be covert, I'm easily identifiable, and a lot of people have hate towards my people because they want the "good old days back", makes me proud to be who I am and my lineage. You don't have to praise my people but, you are not going to be disrespectful and act like the system(white people) just want to help us, and we just keep fukking it all up. That is straight bullshyt.

 

[Northern Son]

That goes into my point. They go into occupations and build singularly. You're being dishonest if you think Africans come over here and have communities on par with the Chinatowns and Lil Mexicos you can find in any city. shyt I find those on accident and never stumbled on an African counterpart.

There aren't enough Nigerians/Ghanaians/Kenyans etc. individuals in any one community for them to do like the Asians and Latinos. Outside of Houston and Minneapolis, are there even any notable communities to speak of? Africans (immigrants from the entire continent) are literally around 0.3% of the US population. Mexicans/Koreans etc. have the numbers.

For the record, I lived in Michigan for 5 years around my Malawian extended family (among a small Malawian community), and despite being an extreme minority there was plenty of cultural unity/pride/group economics.

This "Africans are all c00ns" meme you all try to push on the Coli is the lamest thing going.

 

[Anothergirl]

You're a fuucking Jamaican from a sh!tty country. We look down on you, not the other way around. You yardies have some nerve.

how you gonna talk to your mother like that???

 

[4fossa]

I know that OP asked Caribbeans. But here in Brazil, I've seen some blacks looking down on AAs.. Saying that they forgot Africa and went all in that hood with big ass clothes and jewerly thing...

Usually folks that say this are those pro-black who follow African stuff, such as fashion or religions (well, here in Brazil there are some strong religions based in African beliefs).



As funny as it can be, Brazil is also full of c00ns.

 

[NSSVO]

so much hostility

 

[Birnin Zana]

Breh they know full well they are black so it's not on the level of race it's on a cultural level. They feel like AA's traded their culture in for some hood shyt and that hood shyt is now their culture. They see it as hustling backwards. Yeah it's ignorant, because that's probably a minority of African Americans. They see opportunity here, especially compared to the 3rd world, and they see nikkaz blowing it and adopting a culture of ignorance. They don't want their kids to waste their shot and not see what they see by celebrating that type of life. Btw there are Africans and caribs that come here and don't do shyt either and are wild hood, but some will argue that this is american shyt they adopted.

Relevant disclosure: Both my parents are African. I was born in the US.

Your post is very accurate. My thing is however, I always disliked that many black folks would come to the country (whether they be African or carribean), utilize the opportunities African Americans created or pushed for, yet will shyt on AA's or try really hard to differenciate themselves from them at every turn.

Unfortunately I noticed a lot of Africans my age (I'm in my mid 20s) doing that a lot during high school and college. They would adopt the fashion, the lingo, etc. Yet when something negative happens, they immediately draw the line, with the "that's the shyt 'They' do, not us."

Thing is, we have to remember that many Africans and carribeans coming to the country aren't your typical citizens of ______ (insert country here). They are either folks with degrees, folks with a good amount of money, folks connections in the country, have a lot of hustle bones in their bodies, or just are trying whatever they can to have a better life. They come to the country with a completely different perspective. They are the exceptions, not the norm.

Ironically, when you jab at them about steriotypes that linger their nation (for example, that Nigeria is full of scammers) they rightfully declare "That's not true! Not all of us are like that."

Which is the same point many AA's have been making.

With that said, I do believe that it's a minority of Africans and Caribbean doing such this, and usually it tends to be the older generation. Problem is they can be quite vocal and influential. All this to say that as long as each group (Africans, AA's, Caribbean) check themselves when such rhetoric is spewed, we all will get along quite well.

We don't have much of a choice anyway. The way things are going in America, not having even the semblance of a unified front will make life difficult for everyone.

 

[Northern Son]

Relevant disclosure: Both my parents are African. I was born in the US.

Your post is very accurate. My thing is however, I always disliked that many black folks would come to the country (whether they be African or carribean), utilize the opportunities African Americans created or pushed for, yet will shyt on AA's or try really hard to differenciate themselves from them at every turn.

Unfortunately I noticed a lot of Africans my age (I'm in my mid 20s) doing that a lot during high school and college. They would adopt the fashion, the lingo, etc. Yet when something negative happens, they immediately draw the line, with the "that's the shyt 'They' do, not us."

Thing is, we have to remember that many Africans and carribeans coming to the country aren't your typical citizens of ______ (insert country here). They are either folks with degrees, folks with a good amount of money, folks connections in the country, have a lot of hustle bones in their bodies, or just are trying whatever they can to have a better life. They come to the country with a completely different perspective. They are the exceptions, not the norm.

Ironically, when you jab at them about steriotypes that linger their nation (for example, that Nigeria is full of scammers) they rightfully declare "That's not true! Not all of us are like that."

Which is the same point many AA's have been making.

With that said, I do believe that it's a minority of Africans and Caribbean doing such this, and usually it tends to be the older generation. Problem is they can be quite vocal and influential. All this to say that as long as each group (Africans, AA's, Caribbean) check themselves when such rhetoric is spewed, we all will get along quite well.

We don't have much of a choice anyway. The way things are going in America, not having even the semblance of a unified front will make life difficult for everyone.

Good post, appreciate the objectivity.