Question: Is There Something Wrong With Being A Black "Nativist?"

[GodinDaFlesh]

Stop shaming people to be on board for DACA and TPS extensions and there wouldn't be.

I'm an American citizen

 

[xoxodede]

How so? For instance I know that Tone can be a little bit of a stubborn, know-it-all..well both, actually, and need to acknowlede that there's is just the most recent DOS effort to pick up steam...

Just from some of their statements. They come off egotistical. I know we all have to be on our Kanye "You Can Tell Me Nothing" steeze out here. But, they have to be mindful in some of their comments. More so...Tone.

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

Nativism ain't gonna make it any better

especially when your country is the sole reason immigrants come here in the first place.

I've been upfront about this. Black American nativism is one thing. I don't think anybody could or would have a problem with that. The anti-Black foreigner slant is the issue. ADOS, to me, seems defined by what it's against rather than what it promotes.

 

[xoxodede]

I might be snarky here or there but the only thing I troll about is my mixtape


Tone and Yvette have been problematic though. The way they needlessly berate people is a serious character flaw and why I strongly feel the movement needs better leadership than them. The moment Yvette 'deconstructed' Dr. Claude plus the way she rolled her eyes and dismissed a caller's suggestion of reaching out to him the other week (after all the time and money he's put into the fight) proof positive that trouble lies ahead.



So long as we're acknowledging a subset exists on both sides. My point though is that it wasn't called out. It got like 38 daps which shows (for The Coli) at leastthe sentiment is mutual among ADOS supporters-- which is exactly what people mean when they say the movement is being anti-black immigrant

Understood.

But, it's also strong Anti-Black American /ADOS sentiments as well on this forum. It's thinly-veiled -- and those who see it - tend to response back anti-immigrant.

I'm not on some Trump ish -- but both sides needs to be checked. But, it appears only anti-immigrants side are checked. And, I'm not here for that.

 

[xoxodede]

Nativism ain't gonna make it any better

especially when your country is the sole reason immigrants come here in the first place.

I think it may. But, immigrants are not empathetic nor care about Native Blacks/ADOS -- and that is mainly due to negative stereotypes and false narratives pushed. As well as, not being educated on the full Black American history and experience.

At this point - ADOS are less empathetic due to lack of empathy and respect from others. If that were to change I see a better relationship.

 

[xoxodede]

BTW:

 

[xoxodede]

 

[98Ntu]

I agree with ADOS and I support the AA fight for reparations, as an African immigrant

It’s simple to me. I support the fight for reparations and self-determination.

Long live Black America!

I don’t agree with the xenophobia that some
Of the ADOS clan espouse but otherwise, I can’t be mad at people fighting for their rights

Now, I’m out of this thread before the diaspora warring occurs

 

[saturn7]

This nikkas just bought him a lifetime ticket on the c00n Train.

There is no coming back from this blatant treason and slander.

 

[get these nets]

I agree. BUT, I have seen just the co-signing with/for being ADOS and Black Nativist is seen as "anti-foreigner."

What can even be said or done to those who believe this?

Do you think that Black immigrants should rally and fight for their own benefits? Meaning scholarships, loans, etc -- and fight to break away from under the AA/Black label as well?

That way it won't be anymore - in-fighting for so-called benefits that are were initially only for ADOS?

1)Some people are resigned to believing what they believe.

What can be done is to promote alternate visions of what ADOS means and present that to those on the fence...AAs AND other Americans
We all saw the last election cycle where the Dem. candidates' mailing were all anti-Trump. Not promotingwhat the candidate stood for other than being anti Trump. Negativity helps motivate and scare people. Trump is the bogeyman.
Certain segment is going to naturally respond to anti-foreigner (bogeyman) element of what they see as the ADOS message. and will tend to believe ANYTHING about Black immigrants.

You want to reach different segments of the population and craft a message based on reason. You will appeal to fewer people with reason than with emotion, but they will probably become better advocates
an example is in the spoiler

Spoiler

Robert L Vann ethered a political party AND launched a pro AA campaign in the 1930s





double V campaign promoting Black patriotism AND FULL rights as Americans.

I am a strong advocate for Africans Americans getting anything that they can negotiate from this govt.
I agree with the notion that programs and institutions were set up for AAs specifically, to address historical inequities.I think that encouraging more AA students to take greater advantages of programs designed for THEM, would have a greater effect than lowering the bar and eliminating competition.
I would support those programs being earmarked and limited to AA students, though. We support funds and scholarships for churches with congregations of AA, Caribbean, and Africans but open to those who apply. Out of the public eye....several private groups and houses of worship fund scholarships and grants for deserving students.
The Black immigrant kids who are succeeding come from families who admission to, and survival in, America was based on being resourceful and determined. If the rules changed tomorrow, they would find a way to get into, pay for and graduate from school. For families where education is a priority, that has always been the case..AA,Caribbean, and African.
If there is a free community college tuition program in your state, look it up and see who is taking advantage of it. Program open to all, that eliminates the biggest barrier to higher education...the cost. In the state of NJ....with GPA requirements ANYBODY can enroll in community college with tuition waived. I believe the pilot program has started. With dedication, anybody here can get an associates degree for basically free and then transfer to a four year school. LOT of Black students are taking advantage of the program,but I'd guess that in proportion to their size in the population, that cont. Africans are taking most advantage of it. That's not a blind guess. I still have relatives coming to America from Caribbean and Africa. There are two local CCs that they all end up attending, and for the past ten years at graduation ceremonies..the names called are West African ones, in greater proportion than I expected.

New York State has free tuition at public colleges available to all legal NY residents under a family income limit. In a few years there will be figures available about the graduates. I'd guess that those findings will indicate the same trend.

Thanks as always.

I dislike being seen as "xenophobic" and "anti-black immigrants" -- cause really all I am is pro-self love and pro-family -- and that is ADOS. I don't have any ill feelings -- I just don't care to fight for others -- when my people need me.

What can ADOS do to help stop this rhetoric that is being spewed?

And believe me -- it's some of us who truly are anti-Black immigrants - I get that -- and it's either because of a bad experience with one -- and it has tainted them.

I truly believe Black immigrants needs a civil rights movement here -- one were they can curve out their own benefits and issues with the USA. That way the in-fighting would really end.

In terms of rhetoric being spewed, some of it will never stop. people are who they are.
You can always reason with intelligent people though. If a person corrects me about something....and it's the truth or it makes sense, I have to accept it . I can't repeat the falsehood that was refuted. We're going to have to publicly debunk/refute/challenge notions that have been accepted as truths about other groups.

(more later)

 

[xoxodede]

 

[Gold]

Not only is there nothing wrong with it, its the smart play imo.

And i say that as a naturalized immigrant (i had no choice in coming here but still)

 

[T'krm]

'Nativism'=Allow others to feed off you...literally!
Is this Glaude dude even Ados?

 

[xoxodede]

'Nativism'=Allow others to feed off you...literally!
Is this Glaude dude even Ados?

He is. He went to Morehouse.

I think he just doesn't want to step on any toes -- and doesn't want to make any of his friends and colleagues mad.