Question: Why Do Jamaican Side Dishes Mirror African American Side Dishes?

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Why do Black Latin Americans use tomato based recipes like WestAfricans but West Indians don't (instead using burnt sugar aka browning)?

Tomatoes originated in Mexico, any place outside America using tomatoes (even Africans, Indians, Italians, etc.) actually added them to their cuisine later, it wasn't traditional.



Is this a joke? Yall realize Black culture is still Black culture regardless of countries they're from.

Greens, cabbage, yams, rice/beans are all foods historically and currently grown by Western Africans. Cacs specifically sought slaves from West African farming cultures to use their farming skills; most of those foods are difficult to grow and maintain. Because those foods were so stubborn, cacs saw them as low quality and allowed slaves to feast on it.

The only food you listed that's "unquie" to us is Mac and Cheese....which is nothing more than a slave remix of an Italian dish because they didn't have the proper ingredients. A slave's chef made a dish for Washington's wife and she loved it so much that breh blew up and became the first celebrity chef in America

Beans are historically from central/south america, they were only introduced to Africa later.
 

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Why do Black Latin Americans use tomato based recipes like WestAfricans but West Indians don't (instead using burnt sugar aka browning)?
In DR they use both. Brown sugar on most dishes specially meats. And another natural colorant called annatto "bija" in spanish.
We are all connected through slavery specially in the south and Caribbean.
We got the scraps and we made culinary art out of it.
For example oxtails cacs just found out about this cause they got the choice cuts.

My friends Jamaican grandma used to love me RIP cause I grew up in DR and we basically ate the same stuff. That her americanized grandson wouldn't eat. Like green bananas, goat meat etc etc
 

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In DR they use both. Brown sugar on most dishes specially meats. And another natural colorant called annatto "bija" in spanish.
We are all connected through slavery specially in the south and Caribbean.
We got the scraps and we made culinary art out of it.
For example oxtails cacs just found out about this cause they got the choice cuts.

My friends Jamaican grandma used to love me RIP cause I grew up in DR and we basically ate the same stuff. That her americanized grandson wouldn't eat. Like green bananas, goat meat etc etc
Give me some links to DR recipes using burnt sugar as a a base.
 

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Would you say this is accurate from Wiki?

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So most of the side dishes served in restaurants: rice and beans (not rice and peas), candied sweet potatoes, greens, cabbage are for the American consumer?
You aren’t wrong.
If you were having dinner with a Jamaican family, the sides would be rice & peas, callaloo, dumpling, green banana, cabbage, etc.

Sweet potatoes/candied yams, Mac & cheese, and maybe greens will DEF be on deck for the holidays though!
 

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Yams
Mac and Cheese
Cabbage
Greens
Red Beans and Rice

Typical side dishes you get at a Jamaican restaurant.

Are these actual authentic Jamaican side dishes or are they catering to American taste (especially if they’re in black neighborhoods)?

If these are authentic Jamaican side dishes, were they cultivated external from AA influence?

Jamaican restaurant might expand their menu to offer other items from their food culture that non JAs would be familiar with. But macaroni pie and the other dishes developed there apart from the development of them here.
Both former British colonies, and brought in enslaved Africans from similar ethnic backgrounds and regions.
The center of the British western hemisphere colonies was the Caribbean. The 13 colonies developed as an extension of that.
Because of the wealth generated by sugar, Jamaica and another 2 colonies might have been the actual commercial center of the British Americas. With the wealthiest planters.

When James Hemings went to the (then) culinary capital of Europe, France, to study, he learned to prepare a dish that was being prepared in the homes of the wealthiest planters in the French Caribbean, and in the English Caribbean.
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I believe that variations of those dishes are part of JA food history. Less known, and less associated with JA like Jerk prepared food or Curry prepared food, but part of their food history. Same British colonial system and food history, same/similar West African ethnic groups and food history.
 

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Give me some links to DR recipes using burnt sugar as a a base.
I don't know any all our recipes came directly from Big Mama.

Look up "Pollo Guisado" that's a Dominican staple. People basically eat it everyday. And not just any Sugar Burnt brown sugar that's how you can tell its a slave recipe, they had no access to white sugar although they worked the sugarcane fields they got what was considered the lowest quality sugar at the time. Some people didn't even get sugar at all and got Molasses.
 

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I don't know any all our recipes came directly from Big Mama.

Look up "Pollo Guisado" that's a Dominican staple. People basically eat it everyday. And not just any Sugar Burnt brown sugar that's how you can tell its a slave recipe, they had no access to white sugar although they worked the sugarcane fields they got what was considered the lowest quality sugar at the time. Some people didn't even get sugar at all and got Molasses.
I've never eaten any Pollo or Carne guisado where the base was burnt sugar, it's always been caramelized tomato paste beloved.
 

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I've never eaten any Pollo or Carne guisado where the base was burnt sugar, it's always been caramelized tomato paste beloved.
And I never been to a sundown town but they out there breh, the world is way bigger than your perspective.
 

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Would you say this is accurate from Wiki?

Side dishesEdit


So most of the side dishes served in restaurants: rice and beans (not rice and peas), candied sweet potatoes, greens, cabbage are for the American consumer?
For the most part but Im not Jamaican but the food very common throughout the caribbean.
 
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