R.A. The RUGGED Man: 'Kendrick is Not a Top Five Lyricist'

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I hate these kinds of discussions, yet I'm still drawn to them. Regardless, it's all subjective. You listen to the Kendrick Lamar EP, Overly Dedicated, and Section 80, and tell me he ain't in the top 5-10 as far as popular and newer emcees go. Not to mention his legitimate major label debut is a solid record. There's really nothing to debate. People sh!t on Nas during his It Was Written days. This ain't new.

Discussions like this are the 2015 version of some cornball arguing till he's blue in the face trying to convince you why the Def Jux crew is better than Death Row. I'm older now, so it's amazing to me how all the sh!t my pop used to tell me is turning out to be truth. That being, nothing new under the sun and similar. I remember when 50's mixtapes pre-signing to Aftermath started poppin here, and I got into a debate with some weirdos at a record store. Two white dudes, both pretentious and snobby as hell about music, couldn't name you 10 Hip Hop groups prior to NWA, yet had the audacity to thumb a nose at what I was purchasing. I can't remember the whole conversation, but the one thing I do remember, was them making the case about how dope El-P, how nice Aesop Rock was, and how gangsta music was where Hip Hop lost its way. Aesop Rock was god to those types back then too.

Two white dudes, and not that race entirely matters, but it is relevant. Two white dudes, one a hipster with low testosterone before that even became a trend, the other a bum in the veins of Occupy Wall Street. Ya know, you'd think he was homeless looking at his dress, grooming, and hygiene. Multiple piercings, outragously baggy jeans that flared towards the shoes, beat up skater shoes, etc.. You get the picture. And he's tellin me where Hip Hop went wrong. Good Underground music to me meant BCC and DITC. Def Jux was just bad music, plain, and boring. And real talk, RJ the Rugged Man, while not a bad emcee, didn't make memorable music and isn't an authorative voice on the subject of lyricism anyway. Not hating, just statin my piece. The Biggie story aside, just because a dude doesn't achieve mainstream success doesn't mean he's an authorative voice on lyricism. Vlad keeps bringing these weirdos out the woodwork knowing most of are jaded and crave camera time, and the public just eats that sh!t up.

So basically backpackers. :ld:
Dudes who overuse the term "real hip hop" and claim that everything made after '99 ain't real rap :pachaha:

They rapgenius Aesop Rock lyrics entire day and put him among greats :dahell:

Worst kind of hip hop fans, worse than Eminem and Hopsin fans:scusthov:
 

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Kendrick is my second favorite behind Lupe and I still say if we are talking about LYRICISM this man is right.

Wale is a better lyricist than Kendrick but The Coli will never rock with that because he's a diva. Kendrick doesn't have the "rewind that last bar" factor that Wale has. Wale is a legit wordsmith. Kendrick is a great crafter of songs, has amazing flow and a unique way of delivering things, and because of this(and the fact he stands out compared to the garbage around him) makes people believe he is an elite LYRICIST when he is not.

Royce Da 5'9, Ab-Soul, Eminem, Crooked I, Blu, Wale are all artists I'd say are firmly better lyrically than Kendrick. And before you claim bias, I don't even like some of those guys. It just is what it is.

Kendrick might be in the top 10 but not top 5, and that's still a big maybe as I haven't even mentioned names that are an obvious choice like Lupe and Nas.

Joey Bada$$ is also a better lyricist than Kendrick by quite a lot.
 

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I would rather listen to kendrick right now..back then, in the future, forever than listen to fukkin RA the rugged man, and i'm not even a kendrick fanatic like that.
 

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Kendrick is my second favorite behind Lupe and I still say if we are talking about LYRICISM this man is right.

Wale is a better lyricist than Kendrick but The Coli will never rock with that because he's a diva. Kendrick doesn't have the "rewind that last bar" factor that Wale has. Wale is a legit wordsmith. Kendrick is a great crafter of songs, has amazing flow and a unique way of delivering things, and because of this(and the fact he stands out compared to the garbage around him) makes people believe he is an elite LYRICIST when he is not.

Royce Da 5'9, Ab-Soul, Eminem, Crooked I, Blu, Wale are all artists I'd say are firmly better lyrically than Kendrick. And before you claim bias, I don't even like some of those guys. It just is what it is.

Kendrick might be in the top 10 but not top 5, and that's still a big maybe as I haven't even mentioned names that are an obvious choice like Lupe and Nas.

Joey Bada$$ is also a better lyricist than Kendrick by quite a lot.
Joey Bada$$ being better than Kendrick is laughable. Maybe down the line but surely not now. Lamar is better than all those guys u named besides Em like in 2002. Lamar destroyed Ab Soul on every track they done together so WTF
 

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Joey Bada$$ being better than Kendrick is laighable. Maybe down the line but surely not now. Lamar is better than all those guys u named. Lamar destroyed Ab Soul on every track they done together so WTF

Lyrically? Nah. Not a laughing matter at all.

Ab-Soul arguably had the most lyrical verse on Kendrick's own album(Section 80). I don't think Kendrick in any way shape or form destroyed Soul on Illuminate.

Do you really believe Kendrick Lamar is a better lyricist than Eminem? Mind you I can't stand Eminem, but stop it. Please.
 

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Lyrically? Nah. Not a laughing matter at all.

Ab-Soul arguably had the most lyrical verse on Kendrick's own album(Section 80). I don't think Kendrick in any way shape or form destroyed Soul on Illuminate.

Do you really believe Kendrick Lamar is a better lyricist than Eminem? Mind you I can't stand Eminem, but stop it. Please.


Keisha Song and rigamortis were more impressive.

Lamar on Turn me Up was the best verse on Long Term 2 but I'm not using that as an example.

Bada$$ is just punchline and metaphors. He can't pen together songs at a Lamar level yet
 

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Kendrick is my second favorite behind Lupe and I still say if we are talking about LYRICISM this man is right.

Wale is a better lyricist than Kendrick but The Coli will never rock with that because he's a diva. Kendrick doesn't have the "rewind that last bar" factor that Wale has. Wale is a legit wordsmith. Kendrick is a great crafter of songs, has amazing flow and a unique way of delivering things, and because of this(and the fact he stands out compared to the garbage around him) makes people believe he is an elite LYRICIST when he is not.

Royce Da 5'9, Ab-Soul, Eminem, Crooked I, Blu, Wale are all artists I'd say are firmly better lyrically than Kendrick. And before you claim bias, I don't even like some of those guys. It just is what it is.

Kendrick might be in the top 10 but not top 5, and that's still a big maybe as I haven't even mentioned names that are an obvious choice like Lupe and Nas.

Joey Bada$$ is also a better lyricist than Kendrick by quite a lot.

True. Joey is better lyricist than Kendrick. Not by a huge margin, but surely bigger.
 

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why are folks who i never seen posted coming out the woodwork to comment in this thread. But honestly if RA and Eminem were to battle it would be epic


because theyre plants who are paid to post positive things about kendrick & TDE.

theyve been lurking the net for years. this board included.

these dudes kendrick, cole, drake and a few others are frauds. not organic at all.:heh:


yes he is. Kendrick has already proven that he can fukk with the best of them but now hes mainstream and realized that in order to be the greatest you need the perfect balance between lyrics & music.
kendrick found that balance, ra still trying to find it.


kendrick didnt prove anything before he was PLACED in the mainstream.

smoke-n-mirrors my dude. smoke-n-mirrors.
 
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:salute: to ra the rugged man for always putting his white priveledge to good use.
 

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Only thing BIG ever said on the record was he didnt know him and he did the song because he was paid...He didnt say nothing else about him lol...


dont know where you got this from breh but in you have a source magazine from 90s he name Ra Rugged Man by name in his top 5. This was the around the same time he had words for E-40 and said in the same article that 40 was a zero compare to him (him meaning BIG)
 
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Hold hold hold, are we talking about K.dot here? The same K dot that made . One of the best hip hop albums in the last 10 years, and topping sec.80 an album nikkas thought couldn't be topped. The same nikka that kills almost everytrack he's featured on ? Come on now.
 
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