Random: Can God create a rock he can't lift???

[ba'al]

Yeah this is the the Omnipotence rock paradox a lot of low tier atheists like to use, it's a very common question. Just as common as the "watch maker" argument you get from theologians.

I just thought it was a cleverly worded question.

 

[TL15]

This isn’t a “random” question,

it’s the age old question asking about logic vs faith


There’s also a benevolence one that says:

If God is all powerful and benevolent, then why is there evil?

If he can control the evil, then he’s not benevolent

If he can’t control the evil, then he’s not all powerful

 

[null]

If yes, Why can't he lift it if he's all powerful?

If no, why can't he create it if he's all powerful?

God is multi-dimensional and all things happen at the same time for God. So in one dimension he can pick it up and in the other he can't pick it up. God being a single pan-dimensional being has therefore done both things.

That's how you get around God being all knowing and yet your future being up to you. God knows what all versions of you will do in total the future but he doesn't know which version will do precisely what.

(Not religious!)

 

[invalid]

You're playing around with concepts that are infinitely incongruent. The "created" or "creation" will always be infinitely inferior to the "creator" because "creation" is in-dwelled in the fullness of God.

 

[Afrodroid]

Spoken like the tru devil

 

[null]

 

[levitate]

Look at God...

 

[⠝⠕⠏⠑]

Ability and will arent the same. Sure God could but would he is the question.

Also God is eternal. But every task we have wants or holds the implication an ending. God could make a rock he couldn’t move in an instant. And then in the next instant, he could move it. The next instant doesn’t negate the former where he actually couldn’t move it. That instance was its own unique moment in reality that did indeed exist. And in the next unique reality, he can move it.
Paradox is the language of divinity, b/c of the limitations of our thinking.


If it’s even a possibility, it could be a reality in one instant and the very antithesis is also possible in the next instant as well. And on and on and on.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You're mistaking the words you use with some kind of objective reality

G-d is not blinking things into existence like I Dream of Jeanie.

The act of creation was the Big Bang. It is ongoing but it happens through evolution and things like that. Not creating things out of thin air.

CAN YOU CREATE A ROCK SO BIG YOU CANT MOVE IT?

Absolutely. Easily. You CA create a barrel of water so heavy you can't lift it

Dude, this makes NO sense

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

who?

 

[Da_Eggman]

 

[KingJay]

praise the lord
god is good

 

[Cyrus' Wife]

This may not make sense, but try to follow me here:


Let's say you're a one dimensional being... you can only move forward and backward.


You ask, "Can God create something that stops everyone, even him, from going forward?"


Again, you're a One Dimensional being... so if you can't go forward, then the only option is to go backwards or nowhere at all-- This is your problem.


You're trying to box God into your one dimensional frame of thinking... when God can go forward, backward, left, right, up, down, two ways at once (diagonal), etc


In short, even if he couldn't lift the rock, he could lift the earth that holds the rock. Or lower/remove the earth altogether and place an completely different planet under the rock. That type of shyt. Your question is far too limited.

This is exactly right and is exactly what Christians mean when they say "His ways are higher than our ways." And even in religions like Kabbalah they allow for the fact that there is nothing an all-powerful God cannot do and some even consider quantum physics in the creation story in terms of it not taking 7 days (as we humans know it) to create the world but instead having theories that say perhaps there were thousands of years in between what we consider "days" in order to create the world. There are even verses in the Bible that say a thousand years is similar to a day with God. (Psalm 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8)

I mean perhaps there are other time dimensions God operates in to accomplish what seems impossible to us. Perhaps there are other spacial dimensions that God operates in to accomplish what seems impossible to us. Perhaps there are other spiritual dimensions that God operates in to accomplish what seems impossible to us. That's what is so exciting about trusting in and having a personal relationship with omnipotent God. There is nothing He cannot do; no world or dimension He cannot create; no problem too difficult or complex for Him to handle.

 

[SupremexKing]

What exactly is your conception of god?



EXAMPLE:
One of the primary church founding fathers of Western Christianity; Saint Thomas Aquinas, specifically stated that god can't be physical ....(something about any physical item can be split in two thus destroyed and given "God" can't destroyed [per some quotation in the bible] "GOD" can then only be spiritual i.e. non physical. )


Those early church fathers were Neo-Platonist proto-scientist attempting to make the events of the bible both literal and rational.The materialist bent of science in it's methodology hadn't hit yet so these proto-scientist had no problem defining a thing as "spiritual", "metaphysical", etc.

Anyway, It's been a long time since I read it but the point is that different folks conceive of the entity referred to as "GOD" differently. In which case they would approach this question from wildly different assumptions than you or the next person.




SIDENOTE: this is one of the reasons why I laugh at atheist championing science over religion because it was the philosophical notions of their ideological forefathers which defined large chunks of the mechanizations of Christianity. As a result these type of atheist that talk like they are reprimanding irrational Christians when the christian ideas they rail against likely come from people who used similar philosophical approaches to knowledge creation as themselves.