Random NBA Observations 2016 - 2017

[Styles]

Dude said trees

 

[threattonature]

And people want to make a big deal out of a bunch players putting up stats today. Hakeem almost averaging 5 blocks a game.

Not just that but Hakeem having two steals a game to go along with it. The numbers him, Ewing, And David Robinson were putting up were just straight up ridiculous with all of them having 4 blocks a game and 24 points plus rebounding like crazy.

 

[threattonature]

This is why I shyt on people that think rest is mandotory. It wasn't like that until literally 2010 when Pop started doing it and the whole league decided to play copycat.

Now Thibs plays his guys 37-38 MPG and people lose their mind and think he's running them into the ground as if Lebron/Kobe/Duncan/fukking every superstar ever weren't averaging 40+ at one point.

Difference is though that there is that 40 minutes in today's game is a lot different than 40 minutes back in those days. Look at the average half court set and just how much more movement occurs on each possession. In those days there was a lot of just dumping it into the post or clearing off the side of the floor and running a two man pick and roll. Now each player on the court is moving a hell of a lot more and all five players are usually involved in each play. That also means players don't get to rest as much on defense. That and the fact there's just a lot more half court play. That wears you down a lot faster than being able to get out into the open court and run just because of how much more physical it is.

 

[Walt]

Looks like Barkely should have won...peep that FG%

I remember that MVP race well. Barkley got the most first place votes but lost a narrow decision to Magic.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

On and off is not a good indicator and I wasn't talking about on/off. Saying "even Love" has a better defensive on/off is misleading, he's literally the only Cav with a better defensive on/off than LeBron.

I wasn't accusing you of such, I was just establishing why the on/off numbers read as they do. It's not misleadng at all, it's to point out even a less-abled defender has a better defensive on/off rating than he does (Love being an example on why you shouldn't use on/off DRTG without the proper context), therefore Matt Moore referencing those numbers without any context is actually what's "misleading". Especially tweeting this nonsense -

Saying his dFG% and PPA which is in the 81st percentile is so good only because teams attack the Cavs weaker defenders more isn't even a good point.

On its own without any shred of evidence, sure it isn't a "good point", and I never said it's only good because teams attack the weaker defenders, it was just to point out one of the reasons why. Now back to your claim of it not being a good point -

Thompson defends 15.2 FGA per 30.2 minutes
Love defends 13.7 FGA per 31.9 minutes
LeBron defends 11.3 FGA per 37.5 minutes
Kyrie defends 9.7 FGA per 35.2 minutes
Frye defends 9.5 FGA per 18.8 minutes
Shumpert defends 8.8 FGA per 25.9 minutes
Korver defends 8.3 FGA per 25.9 minutes
Derrick.W defends 8.1 FGA per 21.5 minutes
Jefferson defends 8.0 FGA per 20.6 minutes

Now according to Synergy's measurements, seven of the eight main rotational players defend more shots than LeBron does while on court (with Kyrie not too close behind), one of the reasons why is because teams target the weaker points in the defense, particularly on switches. One of the reasons is because LeBron can't deal and expect to handle a high-defensive workload. One of the reasons is because LeBron hasn't been consistent on the defensive end. There are many reasons.

If LeBron is putting in effort on those recorded DFGA, while defending less shots per minute than almost every other Cavs player than of course they're going to read like that. The only time you can use DFG% in this manner (with little to no context) as if it's for a team's defensive anchor (the likes of Porzingis, Gobert, Jordan), otherwise you're not going to get clear reading.

And like I said before, DFG% is only ONE strand of defensive play. If you're not a defensive anchor, it should most definitely NOT be used as foundation for a player making an All-Defensive team.

I don't think LeBron is on Kawhi's level and I see the inconsistencies due to the burden but he's one of the better defenders when locked in.

Of course he is (even if only because of his defensive IQ), but he most certainly hasn't been locked in this season on a consistent basis to even warrant a discussion about how great his defense has been.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Not just that but Hakeem having two steals a game to go along with it. The numbers him, Ewing, And David Robinson were putting up were just straight up ridiculous with all of them having 4 blocks a game and 24 points plus rebounding like crazy.

D-Rob was an insane defender. I was watching some 90s Spurs footage just the other day and the amount of impact he had on that end was.

 

[<<TheStandard>>]

This is why I shyt on people that think rest is mandotory. It wasn't like that until literally 2010 when Pop started doing it and the whole league decided to play copycat.

Now Thibs plays his guys 37-38 MPG and people lose their mind and think he's running them into the ground as if Lebron/Kobe/Duncan/fukking every superstar ever weren't averaging 40+ at one point.

Rest isn't mandatory per se but

Here's the problem....

If everyone else is resting and you're not, they have an edge and you don't.

We also can see that if you're Lebron or the Warriors and playing into June every year it wears on players.

 

[KillerB88]

Are these the same bigs WB haters like to say are bitter because he's stealing their rebounds?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Give him the MVP now!

 

[sicksoulja]

Did it go threw his legs

 

[AkaDemiK]

Incredible pass

 

[DoubleJ13]

Some of these calls have been straight trash & have kept this as close as it is. shyt is 21 to 7 on FTs for the Raps

Russy is throwing some passes that are just

 

[AkaDemiK]

Jazz defense is impeccable.

 

[Brozay]

theres only one thing on that list that surprised me.......
































that cac tom chambers had 27 ppg that year

Damn they were putting in WORK that season

and playing all the games

 

[threattonature]

I wasn't accusing you of such, I was just establishing why the on/off numbers read as they do. It's not misleadng at all, it's to point out even a less-abled defender has a better defensive on/off rating than he does (Love being an example on why you shouldn't use on/off DRTG without the proper context), therefore Matt Moore referencing those numbers without any context is actually what's "misleading". Especially tweeting this nonsense -






On its own without any shred of evidence, sure it isn't a "good point", and I never said it's only good because teams attack the weaker defenders, it was just to point out one of the reasons why. Now back to your claim of it not being a good point -

Thompson defends 15.2 FGA per 30.2 minutes
Love defends 13.7 FGA per 31.9 minutes
LeBron defends 11.3 FGA per 37.5 minutes
Kyrie defends 9.7 FGA per 35.2 minutes
Frye defends 9.5 FGA per 18.8 minutes
Shumpert defends 8.8 FGA per 25.9 minutes
Korver defends 8.3 FGA per 25.9 minutes
Derrick.W defends 8.1 FGA per 21.5 minutes
Jefferson defends 8.0 FGA per 20.6 minutes

Now according to Synergy's measurements, seven of the eight main rotational players defend more shots than LeBron does while on court (with Kyrie not too close behind), one of the reasons why is because teams target the weaker points in the defense, particularly on switches. One of the reasons is because LeBron can't deal and expect to handle a high-defensive workload. One of the reasons is because LeBron hasn't been consistent on the defensive end. There are many reasons.

If LeBron is putting in effort on those recorded DFGA, while defending less shots per minute than almost every other Cavs player than of course they're going to read like that. The only time you can use DFG% in this manner (with little to no context) as if it's for a team's defensive anchor (the likes of Porzingis, Gobert, Jordan), otherwise you're not going to get clear reading.

And like I said before, DFG% is only ONE strand of defensive play. If you're not a defensive anchor, it should most definitely NOT be used as foundation for a player making an All-Defensive team.

Of course he is (even if only because of his defensive IQ), but he most certainly hasn't been locked in this season on a consistent basis to even warrant a discussion about how great his defense has been.

Small add in to this is that if you're not consistently guarding the other team's best scoring threat then it'll also affect the number of shots you see and the individual defensive ratings. A lot of seasons for perimeter defenders some of the best will give up high points per possession or points per game against just because they are taking on top scorers nightly.