Randy Moss is the GOAT WR

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No one questions Rice’s legitimacy as a Hall of Famer. But when it comes to Rice’s ultimate legacy, the question is whether he was one of the greatest players ever, or the greatest player ever. And there will be some who think Rice’s otherworldly numbers (aka Parts I and II) need to be discounted because he benefited so much from playing with Joe Montana and Steve Young for the majority of his career. Clearly, Rice was fortunate to play with Montana and Young. No one disputes that. The question is: by how much? That’s an impossible question to answer, but what we can do is look at the seasons during which Rice was working with a non-Montana/Young QB for a substantial amount of time:

  • In Rice’s rookie year, Montana missed one game. Matt Cavanaugh started against the Eagles, who had one of the best pass defenses in the league. Rice caught 3 passes for 71 yards and a score.
  • In 1986, Rice’s second season, Montana suffered a severe back injury in week one that nearly ended his career. Jeff Kemp (6) and Mike Moroski (2) started half of the season before Montana came back. In those eight games, Rice caught 40 passes for 820 yards and 9 TDs. Over sixteen games, 80 receptions, 1640 yards and 18 TDs would have been the most impressive season by any receiver in the league. Excluding Rice (who had 86-1570-15), Stanley Morgan had the second most receiving yards (1491) and Wesley Walker was second in receiving touchdowns (12). And yes, to those observant readers, Rice’s numbers that season were better without a gimpy Montana than with one.
  • Montana and Young would start every non-strike game over the next four seasons, so let’s skip ahead to 1991. Montana had a season-ending elbow injury in the pre-season and Young injured his knee in mid-season. Steve Bono started six games for the 49ers, and Rice caught 33 passes for 415 yards and four scores playing with Bono. After losing their first start under Bono, the 49ers would win their next five games. Pro-rated over 16 games, Rice (88 receptions, 1107 yards, 10.7 TDs) would have ranked 4th, 8th and 5th in receptions, receiving yards and receiving TDs with Bono.
  • In 1995, Young went down again, and this time Elvis Grbac took over. In five starts, Rice put up an absurd 31-550-4, for a pro-rated 99-1760-12.8 (actual 122-1848-15). Those 1760 receiving yards would be good enough for #2 all-time on the single-season list.
  • Young missed four more starts in 1996, with Grbac again picking up the slack. Rice scored in every game, and caught 27 passes for 322 yards and 5 scores. The pro-rated Rice would have led the league with his 108 catches and ranked 4th with his 1288 yards; his 20 TDs would outpace the #2 man by six scores. The actual Rice had 108-1254-8.
So for 5 seasons, Grbac (9), Kemp (6), Bono (6), Moroski (2) and Cavanugh (1) started 24 games for the 49ers. In exactly a year and a half’s worth of games, Rice caught 134 passes for 2,177 yards and 23 TDs, and ran for one score as well. That’s an average season of 89 catches, 1451 receiving yards and 16 touchdowns, or roughly the career best season for nearly every WR who has ever played the game. And, of course, only 25% of those games came during what we would typically call a wide receiver’s prime. Eighteen of those 24 games that he played without Montana or Young came during Rice’s first or second season, or when he was 33- or 34-years old. In ’95 and ’96, playing at an age when most receivers start slowing down, catching passes from Elvis Grbac, and playing with Derek Loville and Terry Kirby at RB, Rice put up numbers that could arguably pass for the best season of Cris Carter’s or Steve Largent’s career.

And then there are the Jeff Garcia and the Rich Gannon years.

Rice’s two worst seasons in San Francisco (ignoring 1997, when he missed most of the season with a torn ACL) were the two seasons when Garcia was the 49ers primary QB. In 1999, he had 830 receiving yards and 5 scores, and the next season he had 805 yards and seven touchdowns. Far from great numbers, but he had a good excuse: Rice was 37 and 38 years old. Only two players in NFL history, Rice and Charlie Joiner, have caught even 600 yards worth of passes at age 37 or older. Only a handful of receivers in NFL history have caught any passes at age 37 or older. It’s easy to be blinded by the standard Rice set for himself, but apart from one Charlie Joinerseason, those two disappointing seasons were the best in NFL history for a man of his age. [Since I originally wrote this, Terrell Owens gained 983 yards at age 37, but no other receiver that age had even 200 yards. Owens did not play at age 38 or 39.] And then he moved to Oakland and blew those seasons away.

Of all the unbreakable records set by Rice, what he did in Oakland may be the most impressive. At age 40, he caught 92 passes for over 1200 yards. No other player in NFL history has gained a single yard receiving while in his 40s.

Randy Moss: Jerry Rice had two HOF QBs his whole career

Full article here: Randy Moss: Jerry Rice had two HOF QBs his whole career

For 5 seasons, Grbac (9), Kemp (6), Bono (6), Moroski (2) and Cavanugh (1) started 24 games for the 49ers. In exactly a year and a half’s worth of games, Rice caught 134 passes for 2,177 yards and 23 TDs, and ran for one score as well. That’s an average season of 89 catches, 1451 receiving yards and 16 touchdowns, or roughly the career best season for nearly every WR who has ever played the game. And, of course, only 25% of those games came during what we would typically call a wide receiver’s prime. Eighteen of those 24 games that he played without Montana or Young came during Rice’s first or second season, or when he was 33- or 34-years old. In ’95 and ’96, playing at an age when most receivers start slowing down, catching passes from Elvis Grbac, and playing with Derek Loville and Terry Kirby at RB, Rice put up numbers that could arguably pass for the best season of Cris Carter’s or Steve Largent’s career.

NOW shut the fukk UP :pacspit:

I’m :flabbynsick: enough to remember that 86’ season with Jeff Kemp. It was kind of a surprise because Rice had well known issues with drops as a rookie, but improved so much the next year that he was dominating with Kemp.

His numbers not declining with backup QBs makes sense in some ways. If you’re Elvis Grbac and you don’t know how to really run the offense like Montana or Young, the easier thing to do is “look for Rice”.

Having said that, people overrate how bad the Lions were during Sanders' career. They made the playoffs half the time. Sanders didn't play on the Cowboys, but he didn't play for perennial 3-13 losers either. They were a competitive team that had some good players.

The O-line gets knocked too much. People always say it was terrible, but it was alright. Kevin Glover and Lomas Brown, for example, were very good.

But Sanders had bad luck with the QBs he played with. The best he had was probably Scott Mitchell having a good regular season in 95’ and then playing absolutely awful in the postseason against Philly.
 
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Moss had better hands, was faster, more explosive, better jump ball receiver. He practically invented that shyt. They used to throw that shyt up and he would just go get it. Dude's greatness and impact is so underrated. If I was a defender, I'd rather be one on one with Rice before Moss.
nikka said Moss had better hands than rice

Immaculate shytposting
 

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GOAT X GOAT

Some of the reasons why Randy is the greatest. Randy is the people's champ. The most influential and most culturally significant WR to ever live.

You're not the greatest merely because you accumulated the most stats and played on HOF teams for almsot 20 years. Jerry is Emmit to me. And Randy is Barry. Both Emmit and Jerry were guys that showed amazing work ethic, exterme toughness and consistency, perfection of their craft, and made the most of their limited physical attributes. They were blessed to play for the best teams of their generations with elite players at every position. THIS MATTERS. They've been rewarded with championships and records that will never be broken. But everybody with eyeballs knows that Barry and Randy were better, but didn't have the same fortune. If Randy plays with Brady on the dynasty Patriots his whole career are we even asking this question?
 

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GOAT X GOAT

Some of the reasons why Randy is the greatest. Randy is the people's champ. The most influential and most culturally significant WR to ever live.

You're not the greatest merely because you accumulated the most stats and played on HOF teams for almsot 20 years. Jerry is Emmit to me. And Randy is Barry. Both Emmit and Jerry were guys that showed amazing work ethic, exterme toughness and consistency, perfection of their craft, and made the most of their limited physical attributes. They were blessed to play for the best teams of their generations with elite players at every position. THIS MATTERS. They've been rewarded with championships and records that will never be broken. But everybody with eyeballs knows that Barry and Randy were better, but didn't have the same fortune. If Randy plays with Brady on the dynasty Patriots his whole career are we even asking this question?

Saying jerry is emmit is so damn disrespectful:picard:
 

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The YouTube generation loves them some Randy Moss. He boarderline top 5

Rice Owens Fitzgerald Megatron all clearly ahead of him.
 

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nothing will ever top this stat line
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Threads like this make me even more disappointed in AB and the way his career ended up. He never gets mentioned and rightfully so because he’s a dummy.

Probably the most skilled WR I’ve ever seen. He was perfect at damn near everything.

He would have been productive well into his mid 30s and easily top 3 in all time yards and top 10 in TDs.
 

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The YouTube generation loves them some Randy Moss. He boarderline top 5

Rice Owens Fitzgerald Megatron all clearly ahead of him.
Negro you sound crazy

Talking about YouTube generation 😂

Like anyone who played or watched football over the past 40 years ain’t got Moss 2 or 1 get real :what:
 

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Well anyone who would have Moss over Rice isn't bright... no matter how old they are
Sorry, there are many people who if starting a team today and could take any WR in the history of football would skip Rice and take Moss

And Rice is the GREATEST WR to ever play but Moss is the BEST many of us have ever seen touch a football. And if he played with Brady or Manning or Favre his entire career the way Rice had Montana and Young… :sadcam:
 
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