Randy Moss says he's the GOAT WR

[yseJ]

you do know this is a ridiculous comparison?

I think Rice is better than MAUCE, but using their times in Oakland as a factor is absurd.

Someone said jerry rice was playing in the same offense all his career, an offense no one has stopped. His season on the raiders disproves at least half of this notion.

Oh and if you want to be called the goat, there's no excuses. Larry fitz ain't the goat but he's had better years with worse qbs and offenses around him than moss in oakland

 

[mastermind]

Oh and if you want to be called the goat, there's no excuses. Larry fitz ain't the goat but he's had better years with worse qbs and offenses around him than moss in oakland

dont know if that is true. Even MAUCE's second season in Oakland, when he was injured and missed 3 games, he he had as good a season as Fitzgerald last year who played all 16.

I am not calling MAUCE the GOAT, but I am not about to compare Rice and MAUCE's years in Oakland when the teams were completely different circumstance.

 

[Texas2step]

You really ain't making no sense now.

WCO made Jerry Rice?
Bigger and Faster = better?
Jerry Rice, one of the best route runners in history, couldn't play in any offense?

Jerry gave Deion fits, but you tryna say an offense made that man who he is?

Moss didn't make them offenses by himself Cris Carter and Robert Smith (who retired WAY too early) was in on that shyt too. Welker kept the chains moving in NE a lot more than Randy did and they didn't even really miss a beat as an offense since he left.

ALSO, John Taylor played in the same exact offense....so did Dwight Clark....as a matter of fact a whole bunch of people did before Jerry. Where they numbers at?

I guess Moss had nothing to do with that

I hate that route running ish Rice get praise for. Dude was running simple slant routes (no jukes or fakes) and taking them to the house. It had more to do with QBs hitting him in stride and playcalling (schemes). Rice is great but he had a lot of help (QBs,Coaches, ignorance of the a new offense)

I honestly dont recall Rice getting double and triple coverages as much as Moss...Correct me if Im wrong

 

[calh45]

I guess Moss had nothing to do with that

I hate that route running ish Rice get praise for. Dude was running simple slant routes (no jukes or fakes) and taking them to the house. It had more to do with QBs hitting him in stride and playcalling (schemes). Rice is great but he had a lot of help (QBs,Coaches, ignorance of the a new offense)

I honestly dont recall Rice getting double and triple coverages as much as Moss...Correct me if Im wrong

Moss ain't there now and Welker still manages to be balling his ass off. The benefited mutually in the same sense that him and Cris did in Minne.

Slants ain't as simple as you make them out to be....

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Jerry got doubled all of the time, but honestly it's easier to double or triple team someone you know is just running deep. Also, Jerry ran comebacks, seams, corners, outs and any of the other routes. It's just the most famous catches in that offense (by him and Taylor) happened to be slant routes PLUS don't act like it's super easy to take a slant and go to the house like it's done all the time now.

 

[NormanConnors]

Jerry Rice has gotten REALLY sensitive in the last 3 years.

You don't really hear Wilt or Russell get all grumpy when shaq talks his accomplishments up.

Shaq gives them the ultimate respect though any chance he gets

 

[YouMadd?]

That's your opinion, cool.

I said it numerous times, it's a true toss up to me.

If Moss balls out in the SB i`ll write a book on how he is the greatest ever though haha

How crazy is it that the top 3 receivers of all time suited up for the 9ers... And it is crazy how both Moss an TO came under the wing of Rice and Carter... They were placed in the best position to be greats the moment they came into the league...

 

[BayArea Breez]

And are great blockers.

And let's not forget Rice being 5 years older than Moss is now and dropping 1200 yards in a season.

there is not stat to measure blocking so that comment isnt saying much

otherwise you have to throw Hines Ward into the conversation of all time greats if you want to include run blocking as one of the prerequisites

 

[YouMadd?]

LeBron is way more talented than Jordan


but there's this whole mental aspect that falls short.. rice was a killer.. up 40, down 40, 3 people on him, he was a top receiver every single year he ever played the game. period. so gannon was a top 50 qb?? nope.. still went over 1000 yards and went to an afc championship then a super bowl. if it was all qb, then where are the other 49er legends on the top list?? surely someone else would be up there right? somewhere? nope

randy was known for taking plays off. he admitted he half assed it. so how are you the best? maybe faster. maybe bigger. but total package, ask me who would i want on my team from day 1 rookie to the day they retired, i'm taking jerry every time.

some athletes... like a ray lewis as well. can take a lot less natural talent, and use their brain and practice and film session and hard fukking work ethic and push themselves past dudes fooling around cause it comes easy



and whoever said jerry wouldn't last in this era.. where db's can't breathe on you.. when he was playing against deion, atwater, fukkin LT, and a bunch of other straight goons who could rip your head off, dance on the field and not stress a penalty for either one

When did moss admit this? And a lot of players take plays off... When you run a deep route or long play, players often go to the sideline for a breather..

 

[BayArea Breez]

Someone said jerry rice was playing in the same offense all his career, an offense no one has stopped. His season on the raiders disproves at least half of this notion.

Oh and if you want to be called the goat, there's no excuses. Larry fitz ain't the goat but he's had better years with worse qbs and offenses around him than moss in oakland

Raiders ran a WCO under Gruden when Rice and Gannon were there... so the premise of that comment is correct.

And honestly, it's a damn shame that players' legacies are tainted for playing with the Raiders. It was a dysfunctional organization when Davis was alive, so I really try not to hold that against any specific player (except Jawalrus)

 

[Reggie]

Randy is the most talented receiver to ever play in the NFL but he's not the best. I'll give him second best ever status after Rice but that's as far as im going. Now if he was as dedicated as Rice, and approached each season in a professional manner then we might have an argument.

 

[mastermind]

How crazy is it that the top 3 receivers of all time that I have seen suited up for the 9ers...

fixed

 

[yseJ]

dont know if that is true. Even MAUCE's second season in Oakland, when he was injured and missed 3 games, he he had as good a season as Fitzgerald last year who played all 16.

you dont know that what is true ? plenty of WRs had better seasons under same or worse circumstances as moss

and I know, it was still a decent season from a normal WR perspective

but my point is, Jerry has never had a subpar season.
you cant afford to have subpar seasons if you want to be called the greatest.

there are no excuses, no finger pointing, etc. if you want to be called the greatest, you need to show that you can perform even with crappy players around you. thats why youd be called the greatest.
its really simple. greatest player at every position gets his no matter what.

 

[yseJ]

Raiders ran a WCO under Gruden when Rice and Gannon were there... so the premise of that comment is correct.

thats why I said half. the other half being that it couldnt be stopped

 

[mastermind]

you dont know that what is true ? plenty of WRs had better seasons under same or worse circumstances as moss

you cited Fitzgerald tho. That is who we were comparing.

but my point is, Jerry has never had a subpar season.
you cant afford to have subpar seasons if you want to be called the greatest.

well Rice's last two seasons in San Fran didnt set the world on fire. I dont hold it against him tho.

because he had better circumstances throughout his career than MAUCE did. in Oakland he had Kerry Collins, Mark Tuiassassopo, Anderw Walter, and Aaron Brooks throwing him the football. And that organization was a dysfunctional mess like @BayArea Breez just said.

When Rice was in Oakland, he had great personnel around him and really good team.

there are no excuses, no finger pointing, etc. if you want to be called the greatest, you need to show that you can perform even with crappy players around you. thats why youd be called the greatest.
its really simple. greatest player at every position gets his no matter what.

in a team game, like football, and a position like WR where you are dependent on others, it does matter and is a fair excuse.

MAUCE had trash around him in Oakland and it got to the point where a lot of people thought he was done when the truth was Oakland was a garbage franchise.

I dont think MAUCE is better than Rice as a player (altho MAUCE was more talented) but to hold the years in Oakland against him is very harsh.

 

[YouMadd?]

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:wtfdraper:So they aren't the top 3 of all time? Who is then? Enlighten me...