Rank Missy Elliott's Discography

[Murkman]

So you're telling me Salt N Pepa were revered for being great rappers and not for making dance tunes?

Female rappers were not forced to make dance songs to stay relevant. Kim, Foxy, Mia X, Brat, Remy, etc. weren't making dance songs. They either retired or fell off.

I didn't say the 90's, I said 00's, in the 90's it was obviously sex appeal, or looking like a thug/gangbanger chick, if not a reverse Caitlyn Jenner (Ugh, masculine she-man's, now we have YOUNG M.A.N.s)..

Kim's biggest hit was that collab she did with Christina, Foxy had a lot of Reggae and Dancehall shyt later in her career, Brat was doing Gangsta Rap/Chopper Rap she doesn't count, Remy went to jail and dropped only one album (Was the same bullshyt every track). Excusing "Push It", yeah they were known for bringing something different to females and keep it mind Queens was barely being respected in NYC at the time, they did that shyt on the side. They had ghostwriters too, but NYC wasn't a full on Dance Rap craze the way the culture transformed when Missy came around.

Southern Rap in the Mainstream was predominantly Club Rap/Crunk, in addition to Missy's whole discography. Since then, it's hard to name a female who's famous that didn't pander.to that formula for hits. They weren't "forced", it was suggestive to them to rely on that to expand appeal to other demographics, having sexual image was "forced".

 

[zayk35]

She was cool no problems with her she made her lane and stayed in that lane and was pretty successful ....never bought her albums tho but she had some joints i can rock with tho

 

[Murkman]

So you're telling me Salt N Pepa were revered for being great rappers and not for making dance tunes?

Name a fan of female rappers that dance to "Push It", compared to Missy's material, please give samples. They were in the Golden Age and had a variety of lyrical content, having a song mirroring NYC's New Wave influence wasn't uncommon.

 

[ThaRealness]

Idk.. I got one of them shyts for my moms birthday though a while back

 

[TrebleMan]

One of the more artistic/creative artists of the last couple decades. She really paved the way and contributed to a lot.

It was really dope how Katy Perry wanted Missy on her Super Bowl halftime show. It goes to show how much other artists vibe with her too.

If you want to talk excellent lyricism I see your point, however what Missy lacked in that kind of lyrical depth, she made up for with musicality.

 

[JustCKing]

I didn't say the 90's, I said 00's, in the 90's it was obviously sex appeal, or looking like a thug/gangbanger chick, if not a reverse Caitlyn Jenner (Ugh, masculine she-man's, now we have YOUNG M.A.N.s)..

Kim's biggest hit was that collab she did with Christina, Foxy had a lot of Reggae and Dancehall shyt later in her career, Brat was doing Gangsta Rap/Chopper Rap she doesn't count, Remy went to jail and dropped only one album (Was the same bullshyt every track). Excusing "Push It", yeah they were known for bringing something different to females and keep it mind Queens was barely being respected in NYC at the time, they did that shyt on the side. They had ghostwriters too, but NYC wasn't a full on Dance Rap craze the way the culture transformed when Missy came around.

Southern Rap in the Mainstream was predominantly Club Rap/Crunk, in addition to Missy's whole discography. Since then, it's hard to name a female who's famous that didn't pander.to that formula for hits. They weren't "forced", it was suggestive to them to rely on that to expand appeal to other demographics, having sexual image was "forced".

Missy didn't have sex appeal. She didn't look like a thug/gangbanger chick. She wasn't masculine either.

Missy's catalog isn't dance records either. She made music that straddled the lines of Hip Hop and R&B. Sometimes, she made music that you couldn't really put in a box i.e. "Get Ur Freak On".

Lil Kim being featured on the remake of "Lady Marmalade" isn't her making dance records. Foxy doing dancehall records was more her incorporating her Trini background into her music.

What does crunk have to do with anything? Missy had a few crunk records on her last album, but they weren't singles. And by the time crunk took over, females were no longer viable aside from Missy.

 

[JustCKing]

Name a fan of female rappers that dance to "Push It", compared to Missy's material, please give samples. They were in the Golden Age and had a variety of lyrical content, having a song mirroring NYC's New Wave influence wasn't uncommon.

This is a cop-out. "Push It" and several other Salt-N-Pepa records were huge dance records. Golden Age or not, Hip Hop has always had a huge following that embraced dancing. Dancing and the whole club element has and always will be a part of Hip Hop.

 

[Murkman]

This is a cop-out. "Push It" and several other Salt-N-Pepa records were huge dance records. Golden Age or not, Hip Hop has always had a huge following that embraced dancing. Dancing and the whole club element has and always will be a part of Hip Hop.

That's not a cop-out it's the truth. Dance wasn't all there was to them, NYC at that time still embraced show many sides of themselves as artists.

Dancing and the whole club element has and always will be a part of Hip Hop.

Never said it wasn't, but okay in the case females where there isn't ever balance that's a detriment. It doesn't do anything to change their status, and how they're perceived in Hip-Hop. Salt-N-Pepa had enough variety like I said earlier for them to be excused, where's Missy's 6 albums straight excuse?

Add to this, Kim and Foxy pushed their image to the limit, Lauryn leaving permanently, females were not made to positively have sustainable impacts in Rap, it was a total disaster.
Females and emceeing are almost considered a joke back then, and no wonder they aren't placed in GOAT lists anymore. Time has caught up with their mistakes, and realized as a culture we fukked up, honestly not being able to compete with male GOAT's, so they take the easy way.

Again it is "music", but you nikkas aren't seeing this from the larger, long term perspective.
The fact that not even Underground fans bumping Rapsody, or NoName just shows how screwed (no pun intended) women have been in Rap the past 16 years.

Missy also had the most multiplatinum success out of all of the women who were hitmakers, like that won't indicate things getting worse? Other than being past Lauryn, when was the last time Hip-Hop heads cared about actual female EMCEES (who can rap as good as males) being Mainstream?

 

[JustCKing]

That's not a cop-out it's the truth. Dance wasn't all there was to them, NYC at that time still embraced show many sides of themselves as artists.





Never said it wasn't, but okay in the case females where there isn't ever balance, that's a detriment and doesn't do anything to change their status, and how they're perceived in Hip-Hop. Salt-N-Pepa had enough variety like I said earlier for them to be excused, where's Missy's 6 albums straight excuse?

Add to this, Kim and Foxy pushed their image to the limit, Lauryn leaving permanently, females were not made to positively have sustainable impacts in Rap, it was a total disaster.
Females and emceeing are almost considered a joke back then, and no wonder they aren't placed in GOAT lists anymore. Time has caught up with their mistakes, and realized as a culture we fukked up.

Again it is "music", but you nikkas aren't seeing this from the larger, long term perspective. The fact that not even Underground fans bumping Rapsody or NoName just shows are screwed (no pun intended) women have been in Rap the past 16 years.

That's the thing. Missy's albums offered variety. You're just refusing to see it. Variety is what kept Missy relevant for 6 consecutive albums. None of her songs are alike. Dance wasn't all there was to Missy.

 

[SirBiatch]

That's the problem, this about not having ghostwriters, but when that was the equivalent of "GOAT talent", how do you excuse laziness and relying on hot beats as much as she did?

The ones that have them are still ass, it's more embarrassing (You said lyricists, but also they weren't good at technical rhyming either), when you need one for nearly your whole career.

That's why Eve's last album was total crap, Missy began that trend of females having to do Dance songs to stay relevant, look where that got us now.....

So it's Missy fault that people tried to copy her genius?

This is a cop-out. "Push It" and several other Salt-N-Pepa records were huge dance records. Golden Age or not, Hip Hop has always had a huge following that embraced dancing. Dancing and the whole club element has and always will be a part of Hip Hop.

The genre started out with people dancing. Why would this ever be questioned?

Again it is "music", but you nikkas aren't seeing this from the larger, long term perspective. The fact that not even Underground fans bumping Rapsody or NoName just shows are screwed (no pun intended) women have been in Rap the past 16 years.

Rapsody and who?! Either way, both prolly trash. Rapsody is definitely

That's the thing. Missy's albums offered variety. You're just refusing to see it. Variety is what kept Missy relevant for 6 consecutive albums. None of her songs are alike. Dance wasn't all there was to Missy.

This convo is so weird. Missy practically redesigned her whole sound with every single album Few rappers ever do this.

 

[mrken12]

Super consistent discography. Missy should be bigger now than she is imo.

I never understood the hate she got on here. Then again EVERYONE gets hated on here.

 

[SirBiatch]

I never understood the hate she got on here. Then again EVERYONE TALENTED WITH AN ACTUAL DISCOGRAPHY gets hated on here, while age-like-milk dull image-boys get exulted

 

[JustCKing]

The genre started out with people dancing. Why would this ever be questioned?

That element of Hip Hop is always called out on here. It's done to the point where if an artist makes a danceable record, it's frowned upon. I've seen posters on forums straight up say an album can't be classic if it contains club songs. What's funny is that people only use the club/dance element when it's convenient to on other artists who don't make those type of songs.

 

[Murkman]

Missy's catalog isn't dance records either. She made music that straddled the lines of Hip Hop and R&B. Sometimes, she made music that you couldn't really put in a box i.e. "Get Ur Freak On".

Uh, most of it is, hard to find a song of her's you instantly won't feel the need to dance to out of nowhere. R&B is automatically danceable, so I don't want to hear that bullshyt like that means anything.

 

[Murkman]

That element of Hip Hop is always called out on here. It's done to the point where if an artist makes a danceable record, it's frowned upon. I've seen posters on forums straight up say an album can't be classic if it contains club songs. What's funny is that people only use the club/dance element when it's convenient to on other artists who don't make those type of songs.

Like I said before, I have no problem when it's a few hit songs, but an entire discography is a waste to me. Show actual potential as an artist and do something different, fukk is that TOO MUCH to ask for these days?

It's why Rap is oversaturated these days, but everyone else finds problems with other Mainstream Rap artists as if they do that for whole projects.

I can't stand hearing Lil' Jon for a whole project, so what did Missy honestly do much differently other than her delivery and beat selection?