Rapper Coolio's Cause of Death Revealed as Accidental Fentanyl Overdose: Coroner

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Either you recognize that some people just will not cooperate and operate within society...



Those that need the hammer brought down on them because they won't contribute to society.


We gotta weed out the ones who can get better and rehabilitation



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We dont want that bullshyt being legal, eww
Either you recognize that some people just will not cooperate and operate within society...



Those that need the hammer brought down on them because they won't contribute to society.


We gotta weed out the ones who can get better and rehabilitation



:manny:



I've changed my mind on this one. I think they can integrate into society without having to stop using drugs. Keep in mind, most drug addicts actually had jobs wgen they first got their addiction; and the source/cost of the drugs is what leads them to downfall.

I think we can treat addiction like other long-term ailments like say diabetes or other sanctioned forms of addiction such as tobacco addiction. I raised tobacco addiction specifically because it's become normalized for smoking addicts to walk around with patches and they can still be part of society, even as they slowly walk towards cancer deaths. I raise the point of diabetes because people on diabetes are effectively given a death sentence they can postpone through medication or dialysis for life.


So I actually imagine a place where a person who is already addicted can only get access to drugs at a government-run facility where they can use the drugs without overdosing and for free(or reduced rate) with medical proffesionals on standby. afterwards they can then return to their lives ; no different than a diabetes patient getting dialysis a few times a week at a facility and then returning to society.

The drug trade dies overnight if the services are free or price reduced. The crime associated with addiction dies too, cause there will be no better rate than the government rate for junkies. Similarly, junkies cannot overdose cause their doses are administered by a medical proffessiinal who can ascertain the limits of their body. The stigma is reduced, meaning they can be employed.



And of course, i am not so naive to believe the ones who have already fried their brains can opperate outside of a fascility. Im actually in favor of institutionalizing them at medical/ psych facilities. So perhaps a three tiered sysytem would work? 1)Zombies go to hospitals, not street corners or jails. 2). Newly addicted first try rehab. 3) Longeterm addicted but still mentally rational and also those who failed at rehab would go to these afforementioned govt distribution facilities and have their lives extended while remaining integrated in society through employment and community ties.








As a side note specifically for @Psalms 37 , i think we do have a social contract with them, the same way we have a social contract for you if you payed taxes for years but then had a heartattack . We dont just write you off like a bad loan cause you can no longer contribute due to your new ailment, especially if you previously did so. your prior contributions entitle you to longterm diability support from the govt that you have already payed taxes to.


Also, lets not treat addicts like some type of “other” category cause every single poster in this thread could easily become one. All it takes is one catastrophic injury, chronic pain ailment, or psychological breakdown and your only option will oxicodone to ease the agonizing physical pain. Every ICU has countless poeple who literally would rather die than endure the physical pain of their ailments. Their are numerous ailments ranging from extreme migranes or extreme trauma(gunshot wounds, car accidents, etc) to minor wisdom tooth removals that could easily place you in the addict category.
 
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The illegal drug trade wouldn't die just because you legalize drugs just like weed street dealers didn't disappear where weed became legal

And your three tier system ignores the chaos that is hard drug addiction, people that are really out there ain't gonna just volunteer to be institutionalized


And just like every other institution we have in this country, this will be understaffed, underfunded and corrupt asf as a result
 

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That drug is pure evil. If drugs are legalized and highly regulated, a lot of the overdoses will reduce dramatically. There needs to be new federal laws specifically going after fentanyl and increasing the years of incarceration to several decades, punish the dealers severely
 

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Nah breh they smoking straight fetty powder now..people doing a gram of fetty a day now...it's why there are no syringes on the streets now.

It's cut..but that myth that only .2 can kill you isn't quite true.
Smoking and injecting opiates are two completely different monsters. That fent sh*t is getting people up out of here and it’s scary because that’s what the knocks want now.
 
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The illegal drug trade wouldn't die just because you legalize drugs just like weed street dealers didn't disappear where weed became legal
I didnt say this. I meant that it dies once you make it free or siginificantly subsidized to undercut the price of the illegal trafficers. At a certain point it becomes economically unfeasible to ship a product 2000 miles from columbia or keep 2000 goons on payroll in Oxaca to handle it.

Legal weed is not ending anything because they are run as a for profit venture, often marketing to higher income clientele. The goal would be to make it more atractive and convenient for the junkie on the street corner not more atractive to Dave from your job’s accounting department or his college aged children.


@CopiousX
And your three tier system ignores the chaos that is hard drug addiction, people that are really out there ain't gonna just volunteer to be institutionalized


And just like every other institution we have in this country, this will be understaffed, underfunded and corrupt asf as a result
I agree 100%. I think we took the civil liberties thing a little bit too far in our nation. There should be an objective metric or test by which a person is involuntarily institutionalized once they reach a certain point in life. Not from the perspective of punishment, but from the perspective of compassion.

Critics are hesitant to try this idea and often cite extreme examples like ww2 atrocities or jim crow vagrancy acts; but those same critics then lean to the other extreme by giving people with no obvious control of their lives the liberty to say no to traetment or longterm institutionalization; even at their own detriment. I think there is a happy medium point between having schitzophrenics wandering the streets and recreating previously historical atrocities. A medium point that would allow such a person institutionalization.

@CopiousX




And just like every other institution we have in this country, this will be understaffed, underfunded and corrupt asf as a result

I concede this point. Very valid. Government is an unweildy entity. but i do think we can remedy it, such a state is not absolute. For example, many of our domestically failing govt programs and institutions are working well accross our northern border in canada or with our scandinavian and western euro counterparts. Even our asian counterparts in korea, simgapore and japan dont seem to have the uniquley american dysfunction with their govt institutions.


So if they can do it, i beleive we can to. However; i’ll stop here for now cause i think this topic is bit outside the scope of this topic. It might even warrant its own thread topic.
 
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The heroin was probably cut with some fent smh. He had meth in his system and recent use of that dust. Leave them drugs alone black people :snoop:

He came to Australia many years ago and one of my boys was working in the hotel he was in. He said he was so excited to say hi to him, we grew up on Gangsta’s Paradise, C U When U Get There, Kenan and Kel, etc.

He said when he saw him he was with a group of trashy looking white girls, had a shaved head with 2 or 3 braids coming out and looked small, shriveled and out of his mind. Breh sounded heartbroken telling us like it was his father but he said Coolio looked like a straight junkie and that shyt made him sad AF
 

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If drugs were legal, then Fentanyl would be legal. Meaning that the Opioid epidemic would still exist, if not worse due to easier access and people wanting the strongest shyt.
Breh, people OD on fentanyl because it's in other drugs. People do their normal amout of heroin/meth/etc and die due to fentanyl being cut in. That won't happen at a legal spot because you can sue the owners
 

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@CopiousX

The illegal drug trade wouldn't die just because you legalize drugs just like weed street dealers didn't disappear where weed became legal

And your three tier system ignores the chaos that is hard drug addiction, people that are really out there ain't gonna just volunteer to be institutionalized


And just like every other institution we have in this country, this will be understaffed, underfunded and corrupt asf as a result
Weed isn't legal, it's still federally illegal so you have a black market still.

Do you think the mafia still runs the alcohol trade and murder their rivals like they did when alcohol was illegal
 

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Breh, people OD on fentanyl because it's in other drugs. People do their normal amout of heroin/meth/etc and die due to fentanyl being cut in. That won't happen at a legal spot because you can sue the owners

Think about it, breh. Most lawyers and courts would chew those cases up.

“You’re a junky that abuses hard drugs like heroin and meth. How do we know that you didn’t show up to our/their establishment already under the influence of fentanyl? How do we know that you didn’t sneak that fentanyl into the establishment and mix it with the drugs that we provided you?”

There is too much grey area there.
 
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Think about it, breh. Most lawyers and courts would chew those cases up.

“You’re a junky that abuses hard drugs like heroin and meth. How do we know that you didn’t show up to our/their establishment already under the influence of fentanyl? How do we know that you didn’t sneak that fentanyl into the establishment and mix it with the drugs that we provided you?”

There is too much grey area there.
:wtf:
 
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