Ravens fire John Harbaugh

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

dem nikkaz got root on them. Hopefully Harbs leaving took the hex with him.

No hex. Just sloppy play since nobody is held accountable and they were coached by a guy who never had the little things (the fundamentals) down

 

[broller]

He was the first to say it on this board. I’m the only one I know who was beating that drum longer than him (December of 2010 after the Houston Monday night game).

LOL. I remember that game. I think it ended with Schaub throwing a pick six in OT?

 

[superchoops]

If the Steelers lose and fire Tomlin, it would be hilarious to see Pittsburgh hire Harbaugh as their head coach and Baltimore higher Tomlin as theirs..

say what you will about Tomlin but his teams play a certain way...Pittsburgh hiring a nikka they regularly have their way with would be funny tho

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Dudes really said John fukking Harbaugh is a Top 5 coach

Just admit you don't watch games, it's easier

Breh, im a casual and even I know that nikkas on bullshyt saying that. Idk if it's the hate for Lamar or people really that dumb. They must only watch highlight and look at the boxscore to come to that conclusion. No way anyone who has watched the ravens for years can say he a top 5 coach. Ed Reed and Ray Lewis hated him. He was about to be fired before Lamar saved his job.

Before some of you nikkas quote me talking about "but zay fumbled, loop missed a kick, henry fumbled, lamar blah blah", yes no one is absolving the players. But the fact yall are arguing with that evidence tells me yall only watch the highlights/clips and not full games. For years coaching decisions have fukked up games/seasons too. Why did they go away from the run(that was working) in the AFCCG? Then the pass plays they ran were trash with long running routes when the chiefs were getting to lamar quick. Why did it take so long for them to learn how to use henry that first year? Why do they keep going away from the run when it's working? Coaching. That's not even taking into account the trash OC/DC hires which is important because Harbaugh doesnt do either.

 

[High quality poster]

He will be exposed in his next stop

Have him at your peril

John said have dis dikk nikka

 

[BucciMane]

One thing is for certain, and that is Lamar will be the QB under the most pressure next year and he better play well..

The team (including him) can't keep coming up short in big games, blowing big leads in the second half, being dinged up with injuries and missing time, and having poor body language after poor plays.

There can be no excuses next year, just like Joe Burrow. Lamar is clearly getting what he hoped for, which is Harbaugh being let go (which I agree with).

 

[Rayzah]

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

LOL. I remember that game. I think it ended with Schaub throwing a pick six in OT?

Yes, that game. Here’s what happened and why it was the point where I was done with him.


Ravens led 21-0 in the first half. Houston got a 40+ yard touchdown right before the end of the first half to make it 21-7. Ravens got a kickoff return touchdown to make it 28-7 to open the 2nd half. The ravens offense didn’t score in the 2nd half. Houston kept using the same blitz with Bernard Pollard on 3rd down to blow up plays that Pittsburgh did the week before in Baltimore with Troy (the same blitz where Troy got the famous strip sack on Flacco that won the game and the division for Pittsburgh). Just like the previous week, Cam Cameron never adjusted and kept someone in to pick up the blitzing safety (all week fans were calling into radio shows demanding Cam be fired only for Harbaugh to lash out at the fans for doing so). Then Houston goes and puts together back to back 80 yard touchdown drives over just the final 6-7 minutes to tie the game at 28 with 21 seconds left. The ravens ran 16 plays the entire 2nd half. They went 3 & out, punted after 7 plays, and punted after 6 plays. They gained 69 yards of offense in the 2nd half. Then they punted in overtime and looked utterly cooked only for Schaub to throw a horrendous pick 6 to Josh Wilson to lose the game. I went to bed mad as shyt because since they won it was obvious they wouldn’t look in the mirror and examine why they melted down like that.




Then 4 weeks later they had another all time bad meltdown in the divisional round against the Steelers . Same season where they choked away a 20-10 4th quarter lead in foxboro because they went prevent offense & prevent defense after Boldin’s touchdown to make it 20-10 so the pats came back to tie the game and won it in overtime. That game was the difference between being the 5 seed and the 1 seed.

 

[broller]

Yes, that game. Here’s what happened and why it was the point where I was done with him.


Ravens led 21-0 in the first half. Houston got a 40+ yard touchdown right before the end of the first half to make it 21-7. Ravens got a kickoff return touchdown to make it 28-7 to open the 2nd half. The ravens offense didn’t score in the 2nd half. Houston kept using the same blitz with Bernard Pollard on 3rd down to blow up plays that Pittsburgh did the week before in Baltimore with Troy (the same blitz where Troy got the famous strip sack on Flacco that won the game and the division for Pittsburgh). Just like the previous week, Cam Cameron never adjusted and kept someone in to pick up the blitzing safety (all week fans were calling into radio shows demanding Cam be fired only for Harbaugh to lash out at the fans for doing so). Then Houston goes and puts together back to back 80 yard touchdown drives over just the final 6-7 minutes to tie the game at 28 with 21 seconds left. The ravens ran 16 plays the entire 2nd half. They went 3 & out, punted after 7 plays, and punted after 6 plays. They gained 69 yards of offense in the 2nd half. Then they punted in overtime and looked utterly cooked only for Schaub to throw a horrendous pick 6 to Josh Wilson to lose the game. I went to bed mad as shyt because since they won it was obvious they wouldn’t look in the mirror and examine why they melted down like that.




Then 4 weeks later they had another all time bad meltdown in the divisional round against the Steelers

Amazingly detailed post. Man, I remember the Ravens riding high at halftime. Then the young receivers, AB and Emmanuel Sanders , made some big plays in the second half.

 

[High quality poster]

I tried to explain it to my homie like this… Doug Collin’s wasn’t a bad coach either, but it was clear as day he wasn’t the coach to take that team to dynasty status so the bulls had to make a change. Lamar still has 3-4 elite years left, possibly more if he keeps getting better, better to do this now.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Breh, im a casual and even I know that nikkas on bullshyt saying that. Idk if it's the hate for Lamar or people really that dumb. They must only watch highlight and look at the boxscore to come to that conclusion. No way anyone who has watched the ravens for years can say he a top 5 coach. Ed Reed and Ray Lewis hated him. He was about to be fired before Lamar saved his job.

Before some of you nikkas quote me talking about "but zay fumbled, loop missed a kick, henry fumbled, lamar blah blah", yes no one is absolving the players. But the fact yall are arguing with that evidence tells me yall only watch the highlights/clips and not full games. For years coaching decisions have fukked up games/seasons too. Why did they go away from the run(that was working) in the AFCCG? Then the pass plays they ran were trash with long running routes when the chiefs were getting to lamar quick. Why did it take so long for them to learn how to use henry that first year? Why do they keep going away from the run when it's working? Coaching. That's not even taking into account the trash OC/DC hires which is important because Harbaugh doesnt do either.

Don’t forget the fact that 5 of their last 6 defensive coordinators (Pagano’s lone season in 2011 being the outlier) all had a problem of being unable to finish games on defense. Dean Pees had that job from 2012-17 and in a 6 year span his defense lost 24 games on the final drive, including 2016 and 2017 with a playoff spot on the line in the final or 2nd to last week of the season. I think 2-3 times his defense led the league in blown 4th quarter leads. The big reason was how soft and predictable he was. Every game he’d basically go prevent defense all 4th quarter. His philosophy was bend but don’t break. Give up the catch but make the tackle at the point of the catch, but his teams frequently led the league in missed tackles and blown coverages too. They needed a bunch of tiebreakers to go their way in 2014’s week 17 because they choked away both games vs the bengals since his bland ass defense was so easy to out scheme. They just had to send AJ Green in motion to get him matched up on their worst corners late in the game while every time they’d play tight man to man coverage the defense looked way better but he never stuck with it. If those tiebreakers don’t all go their way, then the team misses the playoffs 5 years straight following that Super Bowl win and there was never any internal pressure they rid of him. He left on his own after 2017.

Same thing with Greg Mattison. His 2010 defense picked up just 27 sacks on the year and led the league in blown 4th quarter leads. Back to back years his pass defense sucked. In the playoff loss to the Steelers he went with soft coverage and a 3 man rush on 3rd and 19 near the end of the game with the score tied at 24 and they gave up a 50+ yard pass through the air. That cost them the game. He would’ve been the DC again for 2011 if he didn’t leave for a college job.

Cam Cameron was horrible almost from day 1. He needed to be gone after 2010, but even by late 2012, Harbaugh was all stuck on the guy. He even still voiced being unhappy about Cam being fired after Bisciotti finally got rid of him.

There was the 2019 loss to the titans where nobody seemed ready to play mentally and they called probably 70 passing plays while handing the ball off to Ingram just 6 times all game.


It’s just so many things that don’t show up on a stat sheet but if you watch the games from week to week it was all you could see.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Amazingly detailed post. Man, I remember the Ravens riding high at halftime. Then the young receivers, AB and Emmanuel Sanders , made some big plays in the second half.

Appreciated. It was an entirely self inflicted meltdown too. Ray Rice had a bad fumble, Flacco fumbled a snap (both of these were deep in their own territory and Pittsburgh scored touchdowns off both drives), Joe ran out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage without throwing the ball away when James Harrison got pressure on him, and Joe threw a horrible pick off his back foot into double coverage from a clean pocket to Ryan Clark when there was never a moment where it looked like Todd Heap would be open. 3 man rush on 3rd and 19 and they left a 2nd year corner coming off surgery for an ACL tear (Webb) covering a deep route alone . There’s just so many things involved in a collapse like that where you can’t blame any single player because everyone came apart between the ears and especially on offense. That’s on the coaches at that point.

 

[Rekkapryde]

@STAN JONES is finally free

He wanna be freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

 

[lib123]

One thing is for certain, and that is Lamar will be the QB under the most pressure next year and he better play well..

The team (including him) can't keep coming up short in big games, blowing big leads in the second half, being dinged up with injuries and missing time, and having poor body language after poor plays.

There can be no excuses next year, just like Joe Burrow. Lamar is clearly getting what he hoped for, which is Harbaugh being let go (which I agree with).

Facts but Burrow has a longer window because of his playing style.

 

[lib123]

I tried to explain it to my homie like this… Doug Collin’s wasn’t a bad coach either, but it was clear as day he wasn’t the coach to take that team to dynasty status so the bulls had to make a change. Lamar still has 3-4 elite years left, possibly more if he keeps getting better, better to do this now.

Are you sure about that?