REAL TALK: I'm Man Enough To Admit I Was Wrong About Steph Curry & The Warriors

[Gravity]

How the fukk can you accuse others of having agendas when that's all you ever push? You're a waste of melanin, doeboy.

fukk your mother.

 

[Consumed]

I'm not ignoring anything I'm rejecting your stupid ass argument. The last 2 seasons do not qualify GS as one of the best teams of all time.

No, they aren't classified as an atg team either.

The KG era Celtics are classified as an all time great team This is the issue - you just don't understand NBA history and totally lack perspective. The mid 2000's Pistons are considered all time great as well. There are a LOT of ATG squads, there isn't some exclusive short list. This game spans 60 years and every single era spawns multiple historic teams. The Warriors of one of them in this era.

The Cavs strategy was to switch Curry's pick n roll and live with the consequences. This is why we saw TT and Love left isolated with dude on the perimeter with that championship on the line. You keep ignoring that to push this "Curry forces defenses to bend like nobody we've ever seen" bullshyt. Curry didn't force the Cavs to bend nor did he make them pay for not bending. He missed his share of open shots and shots that he has normally made as well.

Cavs strategy was also to trap Curry in the P&R and force someone else to beat them. You literally weren't watching the same series if you didn't see that and how Curry's gravity warped the Cavs defense and what happened when he got past the initial defender and into the paint - absolutely swarmed. Yes he missed shots that he normally makes.

You're not keeping it real and your arguments are bullshyt. You're basically arguing against yourself. Curry was exposed as not being as good as people like you hyped him up to be, pretty much the same way David Robinson was. Good analogy. David was a great player but he was exposed as not being the true mvp of the league the year that he won it.

Here's what I want you to do:

Name every center that comes to mind who had a better season than David Robinson in 1994

Name every point guard that comes to mind who had a better season than Stephen Curry in 2016

And the specific years it happened.

Both were all time great and the postseason did not change that, but if you object so strongly to this surely it's easy for you to come up with a large list of names that were superior. Now you keep it real and make the actual case that they aren't all time greats by naming the plethora of people who are. You must not realize that Dwight Howard and Alonzo Mourning are top 15 centers ever and they never in their wildest dreams had a season better than D Rob in '94. Maybe you need to actually sit down and make an all time list to realize why you're wrong. I hope this exercise helps you

Im not saying that the last two seasons don't count and it doesn't mean that Curry's a bum. It means he's not as good as people like you hyped him up to be. He didn't play like an all time great player in the OKC series nor the Cleveland series. Repeating his stats doesn't change that.

I think you just don't understand what an all time great player is. Like what Curry did in that Thunder series is something very few players in this league have done. To score that much on that type of efficiency is special, realize this and realize that Zeke had plenty of series himself during the Pistons repeat where he didn't play at a MVP caliber level

You argue/debate like a bytch. You overrate players and put them on a pedestal that they don't deserve them when I push pack against it you try and act like I'm hating. I haven't held anything against Paul and Westbrook's abilities as individual players. I even
said that their individual numbers are impressive. You said that they dominate, and I asked what do they dominate? They haven't won shyt between them. It's a team game and the same way that you can't put their lack of team success in the playoffs all on them, you can't ignore their lack of team success while pretending their individual stats are the end all be all either. As good as Paul and Westbrook are, they both have obvious holes in their games that keeps them from being able to lead their teams to the ultimate prize.

So Tony Parker must be a top 5 point guard because he has four rings and a FMVP amirite.

By this logic you must not consider Stockton and Kidd all time great players, because neither won any championships in their respective primes. Kidd got to the Finals in back to back seasons but it took beating only a single 50 win team in a historically weak conference at the time and Stockton's lack of scoring aggression and inability to help Malone (the clear top player on Utah) carry the scoring burden was a part of Utah's failures in the postseason. You swap Stockton with Westbrook or Paul they'd clearly have a greater chance of beating MJ's Bulls and there's nothing that suggests they wouldn't be able to get the Nets to the Finals themselves considering the teams they had to face to get there.

Problem here is that you're harsh on Westbrook/Paul/Curry, but fail to realize that other greats at the position had similar team struggles. When did Jason Kidd ever lead an above average offense in New Jersey. Answer is never, because he was an incredibly flawed offensive player. But you will gloss over this to magnify Paul's flaws(barely has any) and Westbrook's when by comparison they look minor.

That's not an objective opinion of Chris Paul, it's a subjective opinion. at him being a top 5 point guard of all time. Like I said, you're just a stat boy geek. There's no argument. Dude hasn't even lead a team to the conference finals yet. As far as Westbrook, yea his individual numbers are impressive. It's like I said above tho, he has clear holes in his game that has kept him from leading his team all the way. He's not one of the best point guards ever. He's a shooting guard playing point.

Then name all the players better than Paul all time. This isn't about stats, but skill. and Paul is one of the most complete point guards ever. He's a better, more assertive scorer than Stockton/especially Kidd and does a better job of running an offense while limiting his turnovers and playing excellent team defense.

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It's time for you to stop talking about how people aren't so and so, and list those who are.

This makes no sense. Tmac never made it passed the first round as the man in Orlando. He never got the chance to show and prove himself on the big postseason stage like that. Maybe he would've played well on that stage maybe he wouldn't have. Kobe showed and proved on the biggest stage. Saying that 2003 Tmac is one of the best players of all time is silly.

Again, you don't understand what a peak is. You seem to completely undervalue the RS and totally value the postseason, regardless of circumstances. That isn't how you should view this league. and McGrady did show himself in the postseason that year dominating in the first round. He was as good if not better than Kobe was in the '06 postseason comparing the two respectively. If you were watching back then you would probably know that.

Exactly. GS making 2 finals going 1-1 doesn't qualify them as an atg team. Curry's 25-5-5-4(turnovers) on 44% shooting for the playoffs overall and 23-5-4-4(turnovers) on 40% shooting in the finals doesn't justify calling him one of the best players of all time.

So I'm the stat geek huh. Not only are you taking Curry's numbers out of context (missed 6 1/2 games that would have impacted those stats positively, apg will never tell the story of his influence on teammates) but his efficiency is greater than raw FG%, he had a 60.3 TS% this postseason. So producing one of the GOAT regular seasons, and then despite getting injured in the middle of the postseason playing at a high level versus Portland in his return closing them out and then doing the same versus the Thunder is worthy of an all time great season.

I do appreciate what I'm seeing. You're over-appreciating it. You should stop trying to put this dumbass "but I'm not talking about all time" spin on it too. Dude(you) said that Curry is better than Zeke ever was. We can read the stars for ourselves chump. We don't need you to declare that Curry has had a better statistical year than Zeke ever had. That's not saying anything. You can't compare individual player stats from different eras and think that will tell you who the better player was. Stats have to be out into context. Zeke never played in a league geared toward perimeter players like this. Who knows what kind of numbers a prime Zeke would put up in today's era. Who knows what kind of numbers Steph would put up in Zeke's era.

That's why I never compared stats between the two. I'm speaking in terms of skill, and Curry has the abilities to thrive in a more physical era. I watched Terry Porter, Mark Price and Reggie Miller rip up the league for periods and they weren't nearly as skilled and/or aggressive as Steph is. I'm able to have a good sense for how well he'd play because I can reference other players, look at his skillset, compare it to Zeke and make a fair comparison. Curry would be one of the GOAT off the dribble shooters in any era, you don't take that away from him and he remains a high creative finisher that can make pinpoint passes with either hand. He is the difference between a below average offense and one of if not the best in the league.

*insert Curry's I'm back gif*

fukk up with that injury excuse.

It is very curious that you pointed out that Steph in that game 6 struggled in the first half, but not the same when Curry struggled in the first half against Portland in both games. It's not an excuse, but reality. Anyone with objectivity can see that he was impacted by missing 6 /12 games with injury in the middle of the postseason. It's very rare for a star to miss that much time and come back in the flow of things. Yet you will continue to take his postseason run for its face value not considering circumstances. Do you not understand that if he didn't hurt his foot against the Rockets he's likely averaging 30+ on dumb efficiency and then doing the same to Portland. Then how would his averages be impacted? You should consider these things.

I haven't deflected from anything dummy. I'm saying that regardless of what he averaged against OKC, he didn't play like one of the best players of all time. That's what your stupid ass keeps deflecting from.

You have a very warped sense for what all time great is. I would like to know these players who make Curry's performance against OKC childplay, as there are very few who could have put up that volume with that type of efficiency in league history.

The point was that Klay was the MVP of that game 6. Curry's good 3rd quarter just made up for his garbage play in the first half. If he doesn't play like garbage that first half maybe Klay wouldn't have hadto put the cape on and save the season.

Sure, Klay was the best player in game 6. How does that diminish Curry dropping 31/10/9 though. Were you saying this when Joe Dumars averaged 27 against the Lakers in 1989 and took home FMVP honors. Were you saying this when Zeke scored 7 and 3 points in a series versus Boston in '89 but the Pistons still won because they were a damn good basketball team outside of him.

You argue like a bytchy female regardless of what name you're under.

You sound upset. I am sorry if discussing basketball at a high level takes so much out of you and agitates your nerves.

 

[Originalgangsta317]

They're still an all-time great team and nothing you or any other poster on this board will change that.

Not top 10 so it doesn't matter.

Actually the team they had last year is better than this years.

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

Thinking that you can gauge NBA teams on regular season wins shows that you have a lack of understanding. Great teams and players are made and judged in the playoffs, not the regular season.

Its not only controversial, it's stupid. Stop parroting that "I ain't talking all time" bullshyt too. I know what you're talking about and you're still wrong. Curry having a better statistical regular season than Zeke ever had doesn't make him better. Different rules, different game, different players. You can't compare stats like that.

Curry was most certainly exposed. He struggles on defense against other great players, is one dimensional on offense when the game gets physical, and has mental toughness issues. He wasn't even the best player on his team in the finals. I'm not erasing anything that he did prior to the finals, you're ignoring that dudes performance in the finals disproves what you've said about him.

I disagree. He was hurt in the Houston series, missed 2 weeks in the middle of the playoffs, and was never the same after that fact. The fact that he's not playing in Rio shows you that he most def still hurting

Obviously they've won a title and have had success. You're saying that they've already proven to be an all time great team tho. Going 1-1 in 2 finals appearances doesn't make a team all time great. They were a few possessions away from not even making the finals too.


This doesn't fly because he didn't have that impact during the finals. Outside of making mistakes the Cavs weren't sending two defenders at him on or off the ball. The Cavs switched their bigs on to Curry and left them out there on an island. TT was guarding dude off the ball by himself. With everything on the line undr a minute in game 7 we saw the Cavs leave Kevin fukking Love out on an island guarding dude one on one. He wasn't efficient either during the finals or the playoffs as a whole like he was in the regular season. Again, you're talking about dude's impact in the regular season. It's no coincidence that GS and Steph looked a lot different in the playoffs vs the regular season. Especially in the last two series against teams that could match up with them.

See, this the problem with people who have agendas. Stop distorting my position man. I'm not erasing anything that Steph has done nor am I saying that dude is a bum. I'm saying that he hasn't proven to be an all time great player yet. I'm not even saying that he won't prove to be an all time great player in the future. He's a good player in the middle of his career. How good is he? Let's wait and see what time reveals. I don't get the need to rush and anoint. Calm all of that "better than Isaiah" shyt down. You(y'all) put dude on a false pedastal then act like people who prove why he's undeserving are haters.

Again, you overrate his performance in the last 3 against OKC. First of all OKC ran outta gas. They weren't as physical in those last 3 as they were the first 4, especially in the last 2. By the bed of game 6 they were on fumes. The defensive intensity had completely dropped and they started playing stupid on offense. As far as Steph individually To say that he dominated those last 3 games is an exaggeration. He had a good game 5 and just an ok game 6. He didn't dominate in either of those games. He got bailed out in game 6 by Klay. He had a shyt first half of that game and if it weren't for Klay going insane they lose that game and the series and Steph's performance would've been questioned then too. Steph's mental toughness and ability to handle physical play would've been questioned had Klay not He balled out in game 7 but by then OKC had little to nothing left. The same thing happens against against the Cavs in the finals except Klay doesn't bail him/them out(Draymond almost did) and the Cavs had just enough left in the tank to finish the job.

Again, I disagree. Plenty of people consider the '83 Sixers, the '72 Lakers, and the '67 Warriors some of the greatest teams in NBA history and they only won 1 championship.

Hell, Jerry Wests' Lakers only won that one chip in '72 after losing 8 times in a row in the NBA Finals, but you won't see anybody saying Jerr West isn't an all-time great or that the '72 Lakers aren't possibly the greatest team ever.

Wilt's Warriors lost a ton of times to Boston in the playoffs and yet their 67 team is all-tiem great.

The '83 4-5-4 Sixers are an all-time great team by any metric and they lost to Magic's Lakers and Bird's Celtics regularly.

The Golden State Warriors won the most games in a season in NBA history (season and playoffs combined). They were a possession from winning the NBA finals for a second consecutive year, they're an all-time great team. Get over it.

I know it gets mentioned Alot but love and kyrie were hurt, that's like beating the Warriors without green and thompson... my point is they got lucky and for that they have a ring to show it... if not for that we would be looking at the Warriors like some Sacramento Webber team.

No you weren't OP

Let's not ignore the fact that Cleveland was gifted Games 5 and 6 by the NBA

The series was won and the NBA gave the momentum back to Cleveland with bad calls and a bullshyt suspension.

That's far luckier than Golden State got last year.

They were well on their way to getting WAXED with Kevin Love & Kyrie, but the NBA saved their asses #FreeAyesha

Not top 10 so it doesn't matter.

Actually the team they had last year is better than this years.

Nope, 73 wins in a league where San Antonio has the most wins in history by a team that didn't win the championship (prior to Golden State), while waxing OKC and Cleveland during the regular season is proof they were better this year.

Everybody needs to stop overreacting.

Steph got hurt in the 1st round and was never physically the same player who could create space after that. They were great enough to cover up for fact until they got to Oklahoma City and Westbrook and Durant, who exposed how different of a team they were.

At the same time Cleveland peaked at the right time AND were on their way to getting bounced out in 5 until the NBA changed the series with bad calls and a suspension to Draymond Green.

Y'all are talking like they got swept or something.

They lost a finals, big deal. Magic's Lakers lost 3 finals. Bird's Celtics lost 2. Hell, LeBron has lost what 4? They're not all-time greats?

I stand by my thread and all my posts in it, but bad breaks happen. Injuries happen, bad calls happen, other teams peak at the right time. Does not make them the '01 Mariners who went out in the first round of the playoffs and were never great again. They have a chip from last year and won the won the 2nd most games over a 2 year period in history. Let it go.

 

[JameisNewton]

I disagree. He was hurt in the Houston series, missed 2 weeks in the middle of the playoffs, and was never the same after that fact. The fact that he's not playing in Rio shows you that he most def still hurting



Again, I disagree. Plenty of people consider the '83 Sixers, the '72 Lakers, and the '67 Warriors some of the greatest teams in NBA history and they only won 1 championship.

Hell, Jerry Wests' Lakers only won that one chip in '72 after losing 8 times in a row in the NBA Finals, but you won't see anybody saying Jerr West isn't an all-time great or that the '72 Lakers aren't possibly the greatest team ever.

Wilt's Warriors lost a ton of times to Boston in the playoffs and yet their 67 team is all-tiem great.

The '83 4-5-4 Sixers are an all-time great team by any metric and they lost to Magic's Lakers and Bird's Celtics regularly.

The Golden State Warriors won the most games in a season in NBA history (season and playoffs combined). They were a possession from winning the NBA finals for a second consecutive year, they're an all-time great team. Get over it.





Let's not ignore the fact that Cleveland was gifted Games 5 and 6 by the NBA

The series was won and the NBA gave the momentum back to Cleveland with bad calls and a bullshyt suspension.

That's far luckier than Golden State got last year.

They were well on their way to getting WAXED with Kevin Love & Kyrie, but the NBA saved their asses #FreeAyesha



Nope, 73 wins in a league where San Antonio has the most wins in history by a team that didn't win the championship (prior to Golden State), while waxing OKC and Cleveland during the regular season is proof they were better this year.

Everybody needs to stop overreacting.

Steph got hurt in the 1st round and was never physically the same player who could create space after that. They were great enough to cover up for fact until they got to Oklahoma City and Westbrook and Durant, who exposed how different of a team they were.

At the same time Cleveland peaked at the right time AND were on their way to getting bounced out in 5 until the NBA changed the series with bad calls and a suspension to Draymond Green.

Y'all are talking like they got swept or something.

They lost a finals, big deal. Magic's Lakers lost 3 finals. Bird's Celtics lost 2. Hell, LeBron has lost what 4? They're not all-time greats?

I stand by my thread and all my posts in it, but bad breaks happen. Injuries happen, bad calls happen, other teams peak at the right time. Does not make them the '01 Mariners who went out in the first round of the playoffs and were never great again. They have a chip from last year and won the won the 2nd most games over a 2 year period in history. Let it go.

Cope.

 

[Originalgangsta317]

I disagree. He was hurt in the Houston series, missed 2 weeks in the middle of the playoffs, and was never the same after that fact. The fact that he's not playing in Rio shows you that he most def still hurting



Again, I disagree. Plenty of people consider the '83 Sixers, the '72 Lakers, and the '67 Warriors some of the greatest teams in NBA history and they only won 1 championship.

Hell, Jerry Wests' Lakers only won that one chip in '72 after losing 8 times in a row in the NBA Finals, but you won't see anybody saying Jerr West isn't an all-time great or that the '72 Lakers aren't possibly the greatest team ever.

Wilt's Warriors lost a ton of times to Boston in the playoffs and yet their 67 team is all-tiem great.

The '83 4-5-4 Sixers are an all-time great team by any metric and they lost to Magic's Lakers and Bird's Celtics regularly.

The Golden State Warriors won the most games in a season in NBA history (season and playoffs combined). They were a possession from winning the NBA finals for a second consecutive year, they're an all-time great team. Get over it.





Let's not ignore the fact that Cleveland was gifted Games 5 and 6 by the NBA

The series was won and the NBA gave the momentum back to Cleveland with bad calls and a bullshyt suspension.

That's far luckier than Golden State got last year.

They were well on their way to getting WAXED with Kevin Love & Kyrie, but the NBA saved their asses #FreeAyesha



Nope, 73 wins in a league where San Antonio has the most wins in history by a team that didn't win the championship (prior to Golden State), while waxing OKC and Cleveland during the regular season is proof they were better this year.

Everybody needs to stop overreacting.

Steph got hurt in the 1st round and was never physically the same player who could create space after that. They were great enough to cover up for fact until they got to Oklahoma City and Westbrook and Durant, who exposed how different of a team they were.

At the same time Cleveland peaked at the right time AND were on their way to getting bounced out in 5 until the NBA changed the series with bad calls and a suspension to Draymond Green.

Y'all are talking like they got swept or something.

They lost a finals, big deal. Magic's Lakers lost 3 finals. Bird's Celtics lost 2. Hell, LeBron has lost what 4? They're not all-time greats?

I stand by my thread and all my posts in it, but bad breaks happen. Injuries happen, bad calls happen, other teams peak at the right time. Does not make them the '01 Mariners who went out in the first round of the playoffs and were never great again. They have a chip from last year and won the won the 2nd most games over a 2 year period in history. Let it go.

The NBA saved Cleveland????

If that's the case,GSW got saved by the NBA while facing OKC bruh

 

[Gravity]

I disagree. He was hurt in the Houston series, missed 2 weeks in the middle of the playoffs, and was never the same after that fact. The fact that he's not playing in Rio shows you that he most def still hurting

I don't know why you people keep tryna make this weak ass excuse.

at him not playing in Rio being proof that he's hurt. Maybe he's mentally, physically, and emotionally exhausted from 2 straight runs to the NBA finals including a 73 win regular season. Maybe he's just embarrassed by how the season ended and he and his family don't want to deal with the media attention. Maybe he just doesn't want to deal with the zika shyt. Or maybe It's a combination of all of those things. To imply that the only reason that he's not going is because he's hurt is silly.

You people argue like bytches. Logic and common sense doesn't matter to you people and that's how women operate. I can't respect that.

Again, I disagree. Plenty of people consider the '83 Sixers, the '72 Lakers, and the '67 Warriors some of the greatest teams in NBA history and they only won 1 championship.

Hell, Jerry Wests' Lakers only won that one chip in '72 after losing 8 times in a row in the NBA Finals, but you won't see anybody saying Jerr West isn't an all-time great or that the '72 Lakers aren't possibly the greatest team ever.

Wilt's Warriors lost a ton of times to Boston in the playoffs and yet their 67 team is all-tiem great.

The '83 4-5-4 Sixers are an all-time great team by any metric and they lost to Magic's Lakers and Bird's Celtics regularly.

The Golden State Warriors won the most games in a season in NBA history (season and playoffs combined). They were a possession from winning the NBA finals for a second consecutive year, they're an all-time great team. Get over it.

at your feminine ass "get over it" attitude as if your opinion here is right/fact. You're literally offended that I don't share your opinion which is more evidence of your bytchassness.

This part of your argument is irrelevant to this discussion because GS didn't win the title this year. It would just be a deflection to get into whether those teams are truly mentioned amongst the very best teams of all time. Every one of those teams that you listed actually won the championship. The time to make this argument for GS being an atg based on the strength of one title run was last year and last year's GS team doesn't compare to those teams that you list above either.

See, you've tried dumb my argument down. It's not just about accomplishments and stats. It's about the play on the court. While I won't say that those teams that you mentioned get the respect that teams who sustained their greatness over time get, I will acknowledge that those teams are respected for how great they were for one year and it isn't based on stats. Every team that wins a ring isn't celebrated like the teams that you listed so why are they respected more than other one year wonder teams? It's their play on the court. Those teams looked like one of the best teams that have ever played when you watched them play. What were the regular season stats for the '83 sixers? Do you know how many regular season games that they won without looking it up? Nobody gives a fukk about what the '83 sixers did in the regular season, they go down as a great team because of how they dominated that post season and got their ring. Same with those other teams that you listed. Those teams didn't struggle against supposedly inferior opposition. When I analyze this GS team it's not about their stats, regular season wins and accomplishments. It's about their play on the court. I even said that they could've beaten the Cavs this year. The series came down to the last minute of game 7. They could have easily won but they still wouldn't be an all time great team to me because their quality of play isn't all time great. Steph didn't play like one of best players of all time and the team as a whole didn't look like one of the best of all time. That's my argument here. You cocksuckers only want to talk stats and accomplishments because you can't defend their quality of play. That's where the excuses come in. There's simply no argument to be made for saying that GS looked like one of the best teams of all time based on their play this playoffs.

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

The NBA saved Cleveland????

If that's the case,GSW got saved by the NBA while facing OKC bruh

And OKC was handed the series against San Antonio or are you forgetting "inboundgate"

Also, give me what games were handed to GSW against OKC by the NBA?

What OKC players were kicked out of the game over bullshyt?

I don't know why you people keep tryna make this weak ass excuse.

at him not playing in Rio being proof that he's hurt. Maybe he's mentally, physically, and emotionally exhausted from 2 straight runs to the NBA finals including a 73 win regular season. Maybe he's just embarrassed by how the season ended and he and his family don't want to deal with the media attention. Maybe he just doesn't want to deal with the zika shyt. Or maybe It's a combination of all of those things. To imply that the only reason that he's not going is because he's hurt is silly.

You people argue like bytches. Logic and common sense doesn't matter to you people and that's how women operate. I can't respect that.

at your feminine ass "get over it" attitude as if your opinion here is right/fact. You're literally offended that I don't share your opinion which is more evidence of your bytchassness.

This part of your argument is irrelevant to this discussion because GS didn't win the title this year. It would just be a deflection to get into whether those teams are truly mentioned amongst the very best teams of all time. Every one of those teams that you listed actually won the championship. The time to make this argument for GS being an atg based on the strength of one title run was last year and last year's GS team doesn't compare to those teams that you list above either.

See, you've tried dumb my argument down. It's not just about accomplishments and stats. It's about the play on the court. While I won't say that those teams that you mentioned get the respect that teams who sustained their greatness over time get, I will acknowledge that those teams are respected for how great they were for one year and it isn't based on stats. Every team that wins a ring isn't celebrated like the teams that you listed so why are they respected more than other one year wonder teams? It's their play on the court. Those teams looked like one of the best teams that have ever played when you watched them play. What were the regular season stats for the '83 sixers? Do you know how many regular season games that they won without looking it up? Nobody gives a fukk about what the '83 sixers did in the regular season, they go down as a great team because of how they dominated that post season and got their ring. Same with those other teams that you listed. Those teams didn't struggle against supposedly inferior opposition. When I analyze this GS team it's not about their stats, regular season wins and accomplishments. It's about their play on the court. I even said that they could've beaten the Cavs this year. The series came down to the last minute of game 7. They could have easily won but they still wouldn't be an all time great team to me because their quality of play isn't all time great. Steph didn't play like one of best players of all time and the team as a whole didn't look like one of the best of all time. That's my argument here. You cocksuckers only want to talk stats and accomplishments because you can't defend their quality of play. That's where the excuses come in. There's simply no argument to be made for saying that GS looked like one of the best teams of all time based on their play this playoffs.

nikka, aint nobody in here arguing like bytches except yo dumb ass. My whole post was logic using NBA history and the great teams in them. What bytch you know talking about the '83 Sixers, nikka?

Now you're talking about all-time great teams now struggling?

Dude, Jordan's Bulls were taken 7 in '92 by the Knicks who never won a title. Then they were taken 7 by the Indiana Pacers. In '98, they were 1 possession from going 7 against the Utah Jazz. Plenty of great teams have struggled against inferior teams.

Magic's Lakers lost to the Houston Rockets in '86

Now, of course Steph said, "I'm back". What is he supposed to say? "I'm only about 70%, so please other teams take advantage of that fact?" What great athlete in the history of sports has ever said anything other than "I'm fine"?

These guys have pride. Even when Isiah Thomas had the busted ankle in the '88 finals, he still played even thou could barely walk. He didn't say, "Hey, I'm hurt, please take pity on me", so I don't even see what that gif is supposed to accomplish. Yes, Steph said he was back, but anybody watching him saw that he wasn't the same player against Portland, OKC, or Cleveland and had no explosiveness or ability to create space. That's if you actually watched the games at all.

Also, we're not just arguing about GS this year. We're arguing about what they've accomplished the last TWO seasons and where that ranks with all-time accomplishments. I say, regardless of what happens in the future, this team is in the record books and there's nothing anybody can do to take that away.

They already won the championship last year and won 73 games this year. That makes them one of the greatest teams over a two year period ever.

We consider Magic's Lakers and Bird's Celtics some of the greatest teams ever, not just because of the titles they won, but because of the times they made it to the NBA Finals and lost as well. We don't just count the teams that won, just like we don't just look at the Patriots Super Bowl wins and call them a Dynasty. We also look at the team they had that went undefeated before losing in the Super Bowl. Now, if the Pats never won a ship, then fine we can just write them off, but they had ships already when they lost to the Giants, so still we have to look at them as an all-time great dynasty, even though they lost to the Giants twice in Super Bowls.

Same thing with the Warriors. They won the title last year, were a possession from winning it this year. They didn't get swept or run out in the first round.

They were in prime position to win the finals and then injuries and bullshyt caught up to them. That shyt happens, but they still have a chip. They still won more games than any team in history, and it still took an all-time performance from one of the greatest players ever, and NBA bullshyt to beat them by one possession.

 

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nikka, aint nobody in here arguing like bytches except yo dumb ass. My whole post was logic using NBA history and the great teams in them. What bytch you know talking about the '83 Sixers, nikka?

Now you're talking about all-time great teams now struggling?

Dude, Jordan's Bulls were taken 7 in '92 by the Knicks who never won a title. Then they were taken 7 by the Indiana Pacers. In '98, they were 1 possession from going 7 against the Utah Jazz. Plenty of great teams have struggled against inferior teams.

So now tell me how many times those teams were blown out like this GS team? In their last two series against the only two teams that they faced that had any real chance to beat them they went 7-7 with 5/7 losses coming by 28-24-30-14-15(points). '92 Bulls were never blown out by that Knicks team by 20+. That '98 Bulls team were never blown out by the Pacers by 20+. We just saw GS lose by 30 in finals. 3 of their 4 losses in the finals were by 14 points or more.

Those Bulls teams were never down 1-3 nor did they lose a series after being up 3-1 either. Your comparison is invalid.

Magic's Lakers lost to the Houston Rockets in '86

And? They already had 3 titles with Magic by '86 and they went on to win 2 more back to back after that loss to the Rockets. Another invalid comparison.

Now, of course Steph said, "I'm back". What is he supposed to say? "I'm only about 70%, so please other teams take advantage of that fact?" What great athlete in the history of sports has ever said anything other than "I'm fine"?

These guys have pride. Even when Isiah Thomas had the busted ankle in the '88 finals, he still played even thou could barely walk. He didn't say, "Hey, I'm hurt, please take pity on me", so I don't even see what that gif is supposed to accomplish. Yes, Steph said he was back, but anybody watching him saw that he wasn't the same player against Portland, OKC, or Cleveland and had no explosiveness or ability to create space. That's if you actually watched the games at all.

fukk you mean "what was he supposed to say"? He wasn't supposed to say anything. He didn't have to say or do anything. He chose to do showboat and all that because he was feeling that good. That wasn't pride that was arrogance/cockiness. I have nothing against that by the way. It is what it is tho. After he came back from the injury he was in pre-game doing dunks and shyt in the OKC series. The excuse doesn't fly. Isaiah didn't strut around the court swagging after his an all time great performance on bad ankle and his shyt was in the finals against a true atg team. He was too busy limping around on one leg to do all that. Curry never played with a limp. He's never been an explosive player either. I didn't see him play with any physical limitations. Obviously against better competition and more physical play he's not going to look the same as he did in the regular season.

Also, we're not just arguing about GS this year. We're arguing about what they've accomplished the last TWO seasons and where that ranks with all-time accomplishments. I say, regardless of what happens in the future, this team is in the record books and there's nothing anybody can do to take that away.

Just going off of accomplishments this team doesn't compare to the all time greats. 2 finals appearances and 1 title doesn't qualify GS as atg. The Heat's 4 straight finals appearances including back to back titles is a more accomplished run and nobody promotes them as atg. The only record book that GS is in is the regular season record.

They already won the championship last year and won 73 games this year. That makes them one of the greatest teams over a two year period ever.

at how you move the goal post. Even going by this "one of the best over a 2 year period" qualification, they'd still be behind every other team that went back to back. So would you concede that GS hasn't even proved that they're as good Lebron's Heat teams from 3 years ago?

We consider Magic's Lakers and Bird's Celtics some of the greatest teams ever, not just because of the titles they won, but because of the times they made it to the NBA Finals and lost as well. We don't just count the teams that won, just like we don't just look at the Patriots Super Bowl wins and call them a Dynasty. We also look at the team they had that went undefeated before losing in the Super Bowl. Now, if the Pats never won a ship, then fine we can just write them off, but they had ships already when they lost to the Giants, so still we have to look at them as an all-time great dynasty, even though they lost to the Giants twice in Super Bowls. Same thing with the Warriors. They won the title last year, were a possession from winning it this year. They didn't get swept or run out in the first round.

You're trying to compare a team on a two year run where they just had an epic choke job to teams who sustained greatness over years and years. It's not the same thing. Your comparison is invalid. GS would have to compete for titles for years to come to make your comparison valid even on paper. Again, I'm more focused on their play on the court tho. Atg teams don't get routinely blown out in the playoffs and give up 3-1 leads(or fall down 1-3 for that matter) with home court advantage. atg players don't shrink as the stage gets bigger while look like they're being exposed in the process. You don't have to ale excuses for atg teams and players.

They were in prime position to win the finals and then injuries and bullshyt caught up to them. That shyt happens, but they still have a chip. They still won more games than any team in history, and it still took an all-time performance from one of the greatest players ever, and NBA bullshyt to beat them by one possession.

Injuries are the only reason that they have a ring in the first place. If it weren't for injuries last year they might not have beaten the Grizz last year and they damn sure wouldn't have beaten Cleveland in the finals? The Xavs had much more significant injuries last year than GS did this year.

See how that works? Stop with the agenda bruh. If this GS is truly atg then they will prove it over time. There's absolutely no reason to rush to crown them as something that they haven't proven to be. They just may not be as good as you think.

 

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So now tell me how many times those teams were blown out like this GS team? In their last two series against the only two teams that they faced that had any real chance to beat them they went 7-7 with 5/7 losses coming by 28-24-30-14-15(points). '92 Bulls were never blown out by that Knicks team by 20+. That '98 Bulls team were never blown out by the Pacers by 20+. We just saw GS lose by 30 in finals. 3 of their 4 losses in the finals were by 14 points or more.

Those Bulls teams were never down 1-3 nor did they lose a series after being up 3-1 either. Your comparison is invalid.

And? They already had 3 titles with Magic by '86 and they went on to win 2 more back to back after that loss to the Rockets. Another invalid comparison.

You're trying to compare a team on a two year run where they just had an epic choke job to teams who sustained greatness over years and years. It's not the same thing. Your comparison is invalid. GS would have to compete for titles for years to come to make your comparison valid even on paper. Again, I'm more focused on their play on the court tho. Atg teams don't get routinely blown out in the playoffs and give up 3-1 leads(or fall down 1-3 for that matter) with home court advantage. atg players don't shrink as the stage gets bigger while look like they're being exposed in the process. You don't have to ale excuses for atg teams and players.


Injuries are the only reason that they have a ring in the first place. If it weren't for injuries last year they might not have beaten the Grizz last year and they damn sure wouldn't have beaten Cleveland in the finals? The Xavs had much more significant injuries last year than GS did this year.

See how that works? Stop with the agenda bruh. If this GS is truly atg then they will prove it over time. There's absolutely no reason to rush to crown them as something that they haven't proven to be. They just may not be as good as you think.

Dude, The buffalo Bills lost 4 Super Bowls in a row and are STILL considered one of the great teams of all-time. And plenty of people consider their going to 4 straight super bowls one of the greatest achievements in the history of football?, why? Becasue no one's ever done it. If you do something NO ONE has ever done, then it's an accomplishment.

NO team has ever won 73 games? right?

No player's ever had a higher PER than Steph did this year, right?

Then what's the problem?

I'm not even a Warriors fan, but I can't look at a team that won a championship last year winning 67 games and won 73 this year, and were within one possession of winning again, if not for injuries to Bogut & Curry and a bullshyt suspension to Draymond Green that changed the series.

You nikkaz are the one with an agenda.

If you LOOK at the title of the thread. It says I was WRONG about the Golden State Warriors. You know why? Because I didn't like them. I rooted against them and did everything I could to deny their greatness, but even as much as I didn't like them, even I could see how great what they've accomplished this far is.

Plenty of teams only win one title like the '85 Bears and are considered all-time great and they should be. Their defense is still considered by many the greatest of all-time even though they only did it once. Who cares? Greatness is greatness, even if it's not sustained greatness.

Open of a record book and the Warriors are gonna be there. Simple as that.

And oh yeah, the '87 Celtics lost to the Pistons, who hadn't even won a title yet by 26 points IN BOSTON GARDEN, and this is just a year after their '86 team, which many consider the greatest NBA team ever. I guess the Celtics of the '80s can't be an all-time great team now, they got blown out by the Pistons and then lost in the NBA Finals in 6 games. Guess they can't be great now.

 

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Dude, The buffalo Bills lost 4 Super Bowls in a row and are STILL considered one of the great teams of all-time. And plenty of people consider their going to 4 straight super bowls one of the greatest achievements in the history of football?, why? Becasue no one's ever done it. If you do something NO ONE has ever done, then it's an accomplishment.

NO team has ever won 73 games? right?

No player's ever had a higher PER than Steph did this year, right?

Then what's the problem?

I'm not even a Warriors fan, but I can't look at a team that won a championship last year winning 67 games and won 73 this year, and were within one possession of winning again, if not for injuries to Bogut & Curry and a bullshyt suspension to Draymond Green that changed the series.

You nikkaz are the one with an agenda.

If you LOOK at the title of the thread. It says I was WRONG about the Golden State Warriors. You know why? Because I didn't like them. I rooted against them and did everything I could to deny their greatness, but even as much as I didn't like them, even I could see how great what they've accomplished this far is.

Plenty of teams only win one title like the '85 Bears and are considered all-time great and they should be. Their defense is still considered by many the greatest of all-time even though they only did it once. Who cares? Greatness is greatness, even if it's not sustained greatness.

Open of a record book and the Warriors are gonna be there. Simple as that.

And oh yeah, the '87 Celtics lost to the Pistons, who hadn't even won a title yet by 26 points IN BOSTON GARDEN, and this is just a year after their '86 team, which many consider the greatest NBA team ever. I guess the Celtics of the '80s can't be an all-time great team now, they got blown out by the Pistons and then lost in the NBA Finals in 6 games. Guess they can't be great now.

So it's an excuse for draymond being a testical toucher and bogut injury this year but you forgetting kyrie injury the year before

 

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Dude, The buffalo Bills lost 4 Super Bowls in a row and are STILL considered one of the great teams of all-time. And plenty of people consider their going to 4 straight super bowls one of the greatest achievements in the history of football?, why? Becasue no one's ever done it. If you do something NO ONE has ever done, then it's an accomplishment.

Nobody considers that Bills team as one of the best teams of all time. To say that them losing 4 straight SBs is one of the greatest achievements of all time is just stupid. They didn't even achieve their goal. The ultimate achievement is to win the SB not just get there. You're full of shyt dude.

NO team has ever won 73 games? right?

No player's ever had a higher PER than Steph did this year, right?

Then what's the problem?

No team that won 70 has ever not won the title before. No team has ever blown a 3-1 lead in the finals. No (unanimous)MVP has ever shrunk in the finals like Steph did. There is no problem. GS as a team and Steph as an individual player have put up impressive regular season stats. I'm just telling you that those regular season stats don't qualify them as being one of the best teams of all time.

I'm not even a Warriors fan, but I can't look at a team that won a championship last year winning 67 games and won 73 this year, and were within one possession of winning again, if not for injuries to Bogut & Curry and a bullshyt suspension to Draymond Green that changed the series.

You damn sure sound like it. Your arguments are shytty and obviously biased toward the Warriors. You give them props for almost winning this year, making excuses for why they didn't win this year while not even acknowledging the luck that was involved with them winning it last year. "If not for injuries to Bogut and Curry". I've already told you that "Curry was injured" bullshyt doesn't fly.

You nikkaz are the one with an agenda.

If you LOOK at the title of the thread. It says I was WRONG about the Golden State Warriors. You know why? Because I didn't like them. I rooted against them and did everything I could to deny their greatness, but even as much as I didn't like them, even I could see how great what they've accomplished this far is.

Nobody gives a fukk. You clearly don't know what you're talking about either way.

Plenty of teams only win one title like the '85 Bears and are considered all-time great and they should be. Their defense is still considered by many the greatest of all-time even though they only did it once. Who cares? Greatness is greatness, even if it's not sustained greatness.

Yes the '85 Bears are considered one of the best teams of all time because they completely dominated the '85 season from start to finish. GS didn't do that. The Bears didn't dominate the regular season only to struggle in the playoffs and end up choking in the SB. That's the equivalent to what GS did. Their 73 wins in the regular season doesn't cancel out the fact that they struggled(in comparison) in the playoffs and ended up choking away a 3-1 lead in the finals.

Open of a record book and the Warriors are gonna be there. Simple as that.

Yes their regular season stats and win total last year will be in the record books and so will the fact that they didn't the championship. So will the fact that they're the only team to blow a 3-1 lead in the finals. So will the fact that they're only 70 win team to not win the ring.

And oh yeah, the '87 Celtics lost to the Pistons, who hadn't even won a title yet by 26 points IN BOSTON GARDEN, and this is just a year after their '86 team, which many consider the greatest NBA team ever. I guess the Celtics of the '80s can't be an all-time great team now, they got blown out by the Pistons and then lost in the NBA Finals in 6 games. Guess they can't be great now.

The '87 Celtics didn't win the title and that squad isn't considered all time great because of the '87 season. That team is considered great because of what they did in the decade before '87 which included winning 3 titles. Them losing one game by 26 to a team that went on to win back to back titles themselves doesn't equate to GS losing by at least 24 points 3 times to two different teams.

 

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Nobody considers that Bills team as one of the best teams of all time. To say that them losing 4 straight SBs is one of the greatest achievements of all time is just stupid. They didn't even achieve their goal. The ultimate achievement is to win the SB not just get there. You're full of shyt dude.


No team that won 70 has ever not won the title before. No team has ever blown a 3-1 lead in the finals. No (unanimous)MVP has ever shrunk in the finals like Steph did. There is no problem. GS as a team and Steph as an individual player have put up impressive regular season stats. I'm just telling you that those regular season stats don't qualify them as being one of the best teams of all time.

You damn sure sound like it. Your arguments are shytty and obviously biased toward the Warriors. You give them props for almost winning this year, making excuses for why they didn't win this year while not even acknowledging the luck that was involved with them winning it last year. "If not for injuries to Bogut and Curry". I've already told you that "Curry was injured" bullshyt doesn't fly.

Nobody gives a fukk. You clearly don't know what you're talking about either way.

Yes the '85 Bears are considered one of the best teams of all time because they completely dominated the '85 season from start to finish. GS didn't do that. The Bears didn't dominate the regular season only to struggle in the playoffs and end up choking in the SB. That's the equivalent to what GS did. Their 73 wins in the regular season doesn't cancel out the fact that they struggled(in comparison) in the playoffs and ended up choking away a 3-1 lead in the finals.

Yes their regular season stats and win total last year will be in the record books and so will the fact that they didn't the championship. So will the fact that they're the only team to blow a 3-1 lead in the finals. So will the fact that they're only 70 win team to not win the ring.

The '87 Celtics didn't win the title and that squad isn't considered all time great because of the '87 season. That team is considered great because of what they did in the decade before '87 which included winning 3 titles. Them losing one game by 26 to a team that went on to win back to back titles themselves doesn't equate to GS losing by at least 24 points 3 times to two different teams.

You're a moron, first off because the NFL ITSELF considers the Buffalo Bills one of the greatest dynasties of all-time



Now, I could just completely ignore everything else you said based on how erroneous that dumb ass statement that "Nobody considers the Buffalo Bills all-time great", when the NFL ITSELF does, but I'll humor you a little.

1. The Warriors didn't "blow" anything. The NBA (wrongfuly) suspended their most effective player of that series and they lost their starting center for Game 7 of the NBA finals. WE don't consider the Cavs having blown last years finals because they didn't have 2 of their starters either

2. You conveniently ignore that they won 67 games last year, which is 5th most of all-time and won the championship, again. If you have a team that won 67 games and a championship and then won 73 and the next year and came within possession of a repeat, if not for injuries to key players and an all-time great performance from one of the greatest players of all-time, that's a great team.

3. You're so dumb that you dont' even realize that if I was a Warriors fan, then the title of the thread wouldn't have been "I'm Man Enough To Admit That I was WRONG About Steph Curry & The Warriors". The thread title would've been "I Told You nikkaz The Warriors Were Great" or some shyt like that.

4. Jordan's Bulls struggled in the playoffs against the Knicks, Pacers, Cavaliers, Suns, and Utah, and Portland. Virtually all of those teams pushed the Bulls to either elimination games or were within a possession or two of pushing them to elimination games. The Knicks had the Bulls down 0-2 in '93. That's not struggling? Are Jordan's Bulls not great now?

Once again, you keep trying to just judge Golden State on what happened in game 7 of this years finals instead of looking at the entirety of the last 2 years.

I don't care what you or anybody else says.

You show me a team that wins 67 games and a championship one year and 73 and are 1 possession from winning chip the next, they're a great team.

They were closer than the '85 Bears or the '83 Sixer or the '72 Lakers to repeating. They were within one play from repeating and you keep acting as if they got blown our. They lost in the last minute to a guy that many are calling the all-time greatest now with a performance that many are considering the all-time greatest achievement in basketball history.

You biased nikkaz just need to admit that you can't stand GSW for whatever reason and let it go

So it's an excuse for draymond being a testical toucher and bogut injury this year but you forgetting kyrie injury the year before

The NBA didn't kick Kyrie out to prolong the series. He got injured on his own volition. The NBA handed Cleveland two games for reacting the way that es Barkley and a ton of Hall of Famers said he should have reacted when a grown man put his dikk on his back.

 

[Juggalo Fred]

You're a moron, first off because the NFL ITSELF considers the Buffalo Bills one of the greatest dynasties of all-time



Now, I could just completely ignore everything else you said based on how erroneous that dumb ass statement that "Nobody considers the Buffalo Bills all-time great", when the NFL ITSELF does, but I'll humor you a little.

1. The Warriors didn't "blow" anything. The NBA (wrongfuly) suspended their most effective player of that series and they lost their starting center for Game 7 of the NBA finals. WE don't consider the Cavs having blown last years finals because they didn't have 2 of their starters either

2. You conveniently ignore that they won 67 games last year, which is 5th most of all-time and won the championship, again. If you have a team that won 67 games and a championship and then won 73 and the next year and came within possession of a repeat, if not for injuries to key players and an all-time great performance from one of the greatest players of all-time, that's a great team.

3. You're so dumb that you dont' even realize that if I was a Warriors fan, then the title of the thread wouldn't have been "I'm Man Enough To Admit That I was WRONG About Steph Curry & The Warriors". The thread title would've been "I Told You nikkaz The Warriors Were Great" or some shyt like that.

4. Jordan's Bulls struggled in the playoffs against the Knicks, Pacers, Cavaliers, Suns, and Utah, and Portland. Virtually all of those teams pushed the Bulls to either elimination games or were within a possession or two of pushing them to elimination games. The Knicks had the Bulls down 0-2 in '93. That's not struggling? Are Jordan's Bulls not great now?

Once again, you keep trying to just judge Golden State on what happened in game 7 of this years finals instead of looking at the entirety of the last 2 years.

I don't care what you or anybody else says.

You show me a team that wins 67 games and a championship one year and 73 and are 1 possession from winning chip the next, they're a great team.

They were closer than the '85 Bears or the '83 Sixer or the '72 Lakers to repeating. They were within one play from repeating and you keep acting as if they got blown our. They lost in the last minute to a guy that many are calling the all-time greatest now with a performance that many are considering the all-time greatest achievement in basketball history.

You biased nikkaz just need to admit that you can't stand GSW for whatever reason and let it go


The NBA didn't kick Kyrie out to prolong the series. He got injured on his own volition. The NBA handed Cleveland two games for reacting the way that es Barkley and a ton of Hall of Famers said he should have reacted when a grown man put his dikk on his back.

I didn't think you could prove yourself as being more of a fakkit than you were when making this thread but you proved me wrong. go enjoy your pride parades, pirate boy.