Real talk: looking back, most of that def jux/anticon/rhymesayers indie nerd rap was fukking garbage

[Zero]

JMT style rappers kind of took over that underground void imo.

JMT...

Stoupe was a real dope producer for minute...he fell off long before he left the group though. I tried to bump that Psycho-Social album knowing damn well all those biblical references went over my head

Legacy of Blood was when I stopped taking them seriously. Violent By Design was their best work.

 

[KravenMorehead™]

Aesop rock and atmosphere "when life gives you lemons you paint that shyt gold" the only ones i was aware of

and still never listened

typa shyt you heard about online then did the little 30 second preview at FYE but that's it

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

JMT...

Stoupe was a real dope producer for minute...he fell off long before he left the group though. I tried to bump that Psycho-Social album knowing damn well all those biblical references went over my head

Legacy of Blood was when I stopped taking them seriously. Violent By Design was their best work.

Yeah when Jus left the group you had only Vinnys Islamic rants to hold u over. Their dope production made them tolerable however. When Jus can back he changed his style, and even though I didn't hate it, it was a step down from his previous delivery and lyrical skill. They can still drop some dope cuts but jus left again so now it's just Vinny spitting redundant raps. That last album was maybe their most forgettable effort. VBD is definitely their best shyt. Classic underground grimey shyt. Much more digestive than Def jux.

 

[Zero]

On the subject of packpacker rap, who remembers trying to like Jurassic 5?

 

[No Homo]

Man that shyt was awful then..like real elitist and if you didnt agree you aint know shyt about hip hop ..reading some sites and boards back then muhfukkas would really have a top all time mc list that would look something like this

Aceyalone
Del the funky homosapien
Saafir
Cannibal ox
Sage Francis
Aesop Rock

 

[infamousred]

I always thought Yak Ballz was nice, his producer Mondee had some fire. WTF happened to him and Cage? I was a fiend for underground back then, checking sandboxautomatic.com weekly for the new releases to find on MP3. But listening back now, so much of it was basura. I always thought Natural Elements were really nice, but they were around back in 95 so maybe that's not a part of this conversation.

Natural elements had nothing to do with that whole movement...that would be like mentioning l da headtoucha, smooth the hustler, b1, half a mil, godfather don etc...completely different styles and far better mcing

 

[DJ Mart-Kos]

On the subject of packpacker rap, who remembers trying to like Jurassic 5?

Jurassic 5 where fire!
Power In Numbers was my shyt.

 

[ZEB WALTON]

That hiphopinfinity garbage

Cage, doom, can ox... I fukked wit then

fukk the op list tho lol.

Edit: real talk my harddrive is filled wit this shyt. People telling me all these corny groups were good.

Add living legenda to the dope list. I put morebthan a few heada on them from jersey before murs ever popped off.

Madlib and jdilla, jedi mind tricks, mr lif, rjd2, tame 1.

How could i forget.... Non phixion. Necro always got hated on but dude put on a producing run like no other in 2004.

I was a ug head thru n thru

 

[Shiva]

Cage is a great mc. Hell's Winter is an album that's still really ahead of its time - the beats were really futuristic and the lyricism was all storytelling, no pretentious using big words for the sake of big words filler shyt.

El-P and Cannibal Ox are still cool. Cunninlynguists are dope. Also MF DOOM. Despite having a weird voice, Eyedea was a dope battle rapper / freestyler.

But yeah there was a lot of weak shyt during that era. The 2000's were an ehh decade for music in general really, things didn't really pick back up until 2010 after MBDTF dropped imo.

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

Jurassic 5 where fire!
Power In Numbers was my shyt.

I wouldn't call them fire they came out in the wrong decade. Charli 2na was dope, that voice should've took him to a better career. He drop anything recently?

 

[Lurking Class Hero]

JMT...

Stoupe was a real dope producer for minute...he fell off long before he left the group though. I tried to bump that Psycho-Social album knowing damn well all those biblical references went over my head

Legacy of Blood was when I stopped taking them seriously. Violent By Design was their best work.

Pyscho-Social was awful, never liked it. Listen to how bad this sounds



You're definitely right about VBD being their best work. GOAT tin foil hat album. Stoupe improved massively between Pyscho Social and VBD. Vinnie Paz was such one dimensional mc. You've heard one Paz verse you've heard them all. I liked him on an ironic level though. Last JMT album I heard was Servants in Heaven, didn't even know Stoupe left. Seems he wasted his prime on Vinnie Paz, same way Khrysis wasted beats on wack ass Sean Boog.

 

[Lurking Class Hero]

Cage is a great mc. Hell's Winter is an album that's still really ahead of its time - the beats were really futuristic and the lyricism was all storytelling, no pretentious using big words for the sake of big words filler shyt.

El-P and Cannibal Ox are still cool. Cunninlynguists are dope. Also MF DOOM. Despite having a weird voice, Eyedea was a dope battle rapper / freestyler.

But yeah there was a lot of weak shyt during that era. The 2000's were an ehh decade for music in general really, things didn't really pick back up until 2010 after MBDTF dropped imo.

Cage is nowhere near great breh. Beyond having a poor rapping voice and not riding beats well, son has some of the most corny, embarrassing music in the history of the genre (i.e. most of the Movies for the Blind album). I don't see how anyone who isn't a depressed/angry/troubled adolescent can listen to songs like 'Suicidal Failure' and 'The Soundtrack' without cringing. Cage also has one of the WOAT albums of any genre (Depart from me). I haven't listened to Hell's Winter since around the time it came out, but even if it still stands up that's still just a "One hot album every ten year average". Dude regressed to the mean and went back to being wack straight after.

 

[Xane Vic]

nikkas finding out shyt was sorry in retrospect like it wasn't sorry all along.

 

[Unknown Poster]

I always thought Yak Ballz was nice, his producer Mondee had some fire. WTF happened to him and Cage? I was a fiend for underground back then, checking sandboxautomatic.com weekly for the new releases to find on MP3. But listening back now, so much of it was basura. I always thought Natural Elements were really nice, but they were around back in 95 so maybe that's not a part of this conversation.

I used to mess with sandboxautomatic....and the real player preview files on there

This is still my favorite yak ballz track.

 

[Unknown Poster]

Lyrically, he really wasn't bad but his voice was

And I'm not sure why folks in here are giving Copywrite a pass when all that tough guy punchline battle rapper shyt went out the window when he got knocked out on multiple occasions on camera

This still goes for me...