REAL TALK: When Did Hip-Hop Get So Lazy?

[The Devil's Advocate]

I can support some of your points. I think part of the problem is TEMPO. The beats are so slow now, so the rapper doesn't have to rap at the pace they did in the 90's or early 2000's. Golden Age Hip Hop usually ran from 80-95 bpm (or 160-190). Nowadays, beats can be as slow as 50, and average at about 60-70. The lyrics CAN be lazy, definitely. To call the producers lazy though? That's not really fair. Some of the beats being made are very layered, and it's way less sample based. Arguably harder to make than a good sample-based beat.

I agree though, I was underwhelmed by Vince's new album, even though some songs I definitely liked, particularly Lift Me Up. Earl's new album was pretty much trash save a few songs. I almost think that Hip-Hop is in a "glam era", like rock was in the 80s. We're all waiting for a new, improved sound with classic Hip Hop in it. I don't count people like Joey Badass, who are really not doing anything new.

badass is another one tho... don't get the press.. dont get the pub... but actually tries to rap... and outsold all them dudes

there really is no part of what these new dudes are doing, that is getting them money... not more money than the ones doing 100k-200k-300k first week while future doing 20k and shyt

there should be 5 more badass clones instead of 35 future clones

 

[noumena]

badass is another one tho... don't get the press.. dont get the pub... but actually tries to rap... and outsold all them dudes

there really is no part of what these new dudes are doing, that is getting them money... not more money than the ones doing 100k-200k-300k first week while future doing 20k and shyt

there should be 5 more badass clones instead of 35 future clones

I can support that... But Future Hendrix way more creative than Joey Badass

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

LolWut

The Rolling Stones, The beach boys, The beatles, The monkeez all of those
of 1950's/1960's Rock N' Roll bands were primarily targeting young adults/teens.
This is without mentioning that they were young people themselves when making
that music.
That's also who Berry Gordy and his loads of producers and artists were targeting.
The young Black/White dollar.
Marvin ? Stevie ? The Temptations ? The Supremes ? Jackie Wilson ? And all of the other artists
on these labels and other labels with similar goals WERE NOT targeting adults.


It's BEEN prevalent because they (Labels and musicians...) recognized this EARLY ON.
"Young people" probably recognized the brilliance in Mozart and Beethoven but they
didn't dance to it in the 1940's/1930's because Jazz was tearing up the charts (Swing was THE dance
music then....).
"Young People" probably saw the brilliance of Bebop artists but they didn't dance to it
because by then Jazz was on it's way to being replaced by Rock music as a dominant force
in (Popular) American music.
"Young people" still do think Rock is cool but for the most part Hip Hop has carved out it's
on niche in the past 30-40 years and well people still like dancing to it

I say this without mention Funk/Soul/Disco all of which heavily focus on common time
and being danceable.


Pretty much all of these art forms changed a great deal as they moved away from
being "Music you dance too" to "Music you listen intently too".
Usually once that happens the young people find SOMETHING ELSE, there's a reason
Electronic Dance Music has and still does have a hold on the public and probably will
for the foreseeable future.

"Popular Music " WAS and STILL IS in some ways seen as disposable, it's only now that
decades have past that people realize the popular song has staying power and can
be considered great like the "Art music" of European Masters (Beethoven, Brahms, Bach etc.)

I kinda disagree, but only because I think that we may be disagreeing on what we mean by "young people".

The young people The Beatles, Stones, Nirvana, early Hip-Hop, etc. . . were people in their late teens and twenties.

That's different than the Disney audience that modern popular music is for.

It's like this, good pop music is generally for people who are young, but not too young. You have to have some knowledge to get The Beatles' "Sgt. Pepper's" or The Beach Boys' "Pet Sounds"

People who listened to that were in no way watching Disney at that point in their lives.

Modern pop music is for people who are between the ages of say 11-18. By the time you get 18, you've aged out of modern pop music, that's the difference.

People in their twenties are smart enough to get good music, but young enough to still be passionate.

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

I can support that... But Future Hendrix way more creative than Joey Badass

Joey puts way more thought into his lyrics than future does.

 

[noumena]

Joey puts way more thought into his lyrics than future does.

Doesn't mean he's more creative. You can be thoughtful but not creative. Future's sound is more innovative than Joey's that's for sure.

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

Doesn't mean he's more creative. You can be thoughtful but not creative. Future's sound is more innovative than Joey's that's for sure.

Really?

Future is actually one of the inspirations for this thread (along with ASAP)

I listened to that Honest joint and it was just this weird 808 heavy, lazy half-assed rapping that sometime is half-singing that I'm talking about.

I was happy as hell when the record ended, cuz that shyt was starting to make my head hurt.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Really?

Future is actually one of the inspirations for this thread (along with ASAP)

I listened to that Honest joint and it was just this weird 808 heavy, lazy half-assed rapping that sometime is half-singing that I'm talking about.

I was happy as hell when the record ended, cuz that shyt was starting to make my head hurt.

Pay no attention to these future stans

They are talking innovation about an artist doing what at least 15 other people was doing 5 years before that.

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

Really?

Future is actually one of the inspirations for this thread (along with ASAP)

I listened to that Honest joint and it was just this weird 808 heavy, lazy half-assed rapping that sometime is half-singing that I'm talking about.

I was happy as hell when the record ended, cuz that shyt was starting to make my head hurt.

I was gonna respond by basically saying the same thing but I didn't want this to turn into a future vs joey b thread.

When I hear future all I hear is a dude half rapping half singing on auto tune talking about being on lean while flossing. His producers can prob be described as creative, but future himself




But to be fair I ain't gonna pretend that joe b is creating a new style or anything like that but I will give him props for being a really talented emcee who's seasoned beyond his years.

 

[Ronnie Lott]

I've been listening to a lot of Hip-Hop lately and outside of like a few really dope records, there seems to be this overriding trend of these really lazy sounding records with nothing but 808 beats and weird synth lines and an MC just spitting like "meh", or even worst, this half singing/half rapping kind of Drake, Fetty Wap, Future, type bullshyt.

I mean, the production's lazy, the lyrics are lazy. I had a headache after listening to the last A$AP Rocky joint. That shyt made me wanna slap @SirBiatch for having this nikka as his avatar.

Then, I was listening to the Earl Sweatshirt record and it's like more lazy, weird shyt with 808 beats.

Who the fukk are they impressing with this shyt? Who's buying this shyt.

Even the Vince Staples record was disappointing to me. A fukking long ass album with just weird ass beats and 808s and I'm like, "what the fukk, Hip-Hop".

On another note, that Ghostface/Badbadnotgood record is dope as fukk, so at least I got something to listen to.

Basically you like that boom bap "lyrical miracle" shyt

 

[Wild self]

I've been listening to a lot of Hip-Hop lately and outside of like a few really dope records, there seems to be this overriding trend of these really lazy sounding records with nothing but 808 beats and weird synth lines and an MC just spitting like "meh", or even worst, this half singing/half rapping kind of Drake, Fetty Wap, Future, type bullshyt.

I mean, the production's lazy, the lyrics are lazy. I had a headache after listening to the last A$AP Rocky joint. That shyt made me wanna slap @SirBiatch for having this nikka as his avatar.

Then, I was listening to the Earl Sweatshirt record and it's like more lazy, weird shyt with 808 beats.

Who the fukk are they impressing with this shyt? Who's buying this shyt.

Even the Vince Staples record was disappointing to me. A fukking long ass album with just weird ass beats and 808s and I'm like, "what the fukk, Hip-Hop".

On another note, that Ghostface/Badbadnotgood record is dope as fukk, so at least I got something to listen to.

Because large quantities of trash on a catchy beat and hook equals hustling. That is why I refuse to support trash in any way.

 

[Wild self]

Basically you like that boom bap "lyrical miracle" shyt

Biggie was on that boom Bap shyt

Hov was on that shyt

Kanye was on that shyt

Nas da Gawd was on that shyt.

And they legends on their own right. Those 808s bums have trouble surviving their 3rd year in the rap game.

 

[Wild self]

Once criticism was no longer allowed. Think about it. Everything is hate if you don't run with the masses. Nobody can tell a story worth telling. Everyone fukking your bytch. New whips and have all the money. No diversity because criticism is not allowed.

Criticism is healthy for competition. Once that was removed, people will do anything for attention and fukking ratchet bytches.

 

[Wild self]

saw an interview where Mannie Fresh, the gawd of 808s,snare rolls, and hihat triplets..was like "aye!...chill with the 808s. Its time"

The main beef with these current producers is that none of them pay homage to Mannie Fresh, Scarface, Luda, or anyone else. They are like bloodsuckers in this rap shyt.

 

[Tropical Fantasy]

when rappers started taking pride in not writing down their raps, especially post Lil Wayne

 

[Rice N Beans]

Since it went down south, pun intended.