REAL TALK: WWE & It's Stans Actually Shames Their Own Fans For Who & What They Like

[Rayzah]

I was thinking this exact same thing earlier.

Only in wrestling are fans insulted by other fans for being passionate and knowledgeable about the thing they're a fan of. It's like these guys are lowkey ashamed to still watch wrestling, so they call everybody else smark this, neckbeard that.

Then when WWE does shyt the fans don't like, they boast about it and call everybody else losers and virgins for not liking it. Apparently that's more entertaining than the actual product, and they'd rather do that than actually enjoy the show.

Yea the main ones on here throwing around those words are the actual neckbeards, even when they get something right these dudes get mad cause it didn't go 100% their way

From a business stand point i get it.

Just an example, they decide they want to push someone. Lets say someone from NXT gets called up, Johnny Gargano. WWE decides they're gonna do a load of merch, vignettes the whole 9 in pushing him. Spent a pretty penny. He goes out there....and fans reject him, nothing to warrant this rejection they simply not diggin it. Now thats money wasted.

As ridiculous as this is going to sound, if they ever give him a push then they desrve to fail, you cant compare him to Sammi Zayn or samoa joe those dudes have alrady proven to be better than half the roster.. You should look at nxt and say, well who is getting the biggest pops, who is getting the best critical reviews from guys like JR or whatever neckbeard bloggers out there, who performs the best in ring and finally which of them can cut a promo, , you come up with a 6 month to a year plan and an idea of where you want them to be by that time, then you bring em up but instead of relying on surprise appearances you give em a bunch of WELL put together vignettes some decent merch and a fair mid card push. don't pput him anywhere near Cena or any of the top guys and only have him wrestle on tv twice maybe 3 times a month max.. The fans wont reject that cause if you give a guy that can wrestle that much attention then you have nothing to not like.. If roman could work like brock or samoa Joe he wouldn't get boo'd same for cena

 

[Golayitdown]

Calling someone a wwe stan because they have a differing opinion of who and what they like, then making a thread about them shytting on you for who and what you like is kinda hypocritical. There are no victims. Both sides regularly go at each other all day every day and both sides usually make good points supporting their opinions.

I wholeheartedly agree with the rest of your points about WWE fukking with the people who paid to see them though.

 

[dh86]

Ratings have gone downwards for years and it's undeniable. When WCW was competition, your pop mattered and if someone got over to the level of Daniel Bryan, he'd be pushed to the moon. Some trolls on here believe that "smarks" and "neckbeards" aren't the General fanbase and only exists on the Internet and there's somehow a grander casual fanbase. The Internet is everywhere and the "smarks" are your fans. Since Paul Levesque took over in charge of talent, he appears to know that, and uses NXT as the second leading hook of the WWE Network (after live ppvs) and he's looking to merge what the fans want with what Vince/Kevin Dunn wants.

 

[dh86]

At the same time you can't give full control to the fans. Once you give them at power they will reject whatever they want and just fukk up the product. Cokeboy has fukked up but he isn't wrong.

Sure you can. Kevin Owens and Samoa Joe both have ready made reps and both sold lots of t shirts before even appearing on WWE television. "Smarks" wants them in prominent roles and have spent money to back up that belief. They are on the sideline for Mania in favor of Braun Strowman. How is that good business in any way?

 

[dh86]

NBA- Michael Jordan sold a whole lot of shoes and VHS tapes. Brought new fans to the TV set, but had Pistons problems. NBA promptly changed defensive rules and changed how they call games so MJ can prosper. Consequently David Stern began selling individual players and personalities over teams and Magic Johnson put over MJ on the way out leading to a NBA boom period.

NFL- Peyton Manning constantly set records in the regular season only to falter in the playoffs due to physical defenses disrupting their timing routes. NFL changes rules, defensive holding and pass interference calls explode, new offensive Renaissance. Ratings skyrocket. League rightly believed fans wanted more offense and gave it to them.

NHL- Hockey changes rules nearly on a yearly basis to promote scoring to harken back to the Gretzky/Mario days of scoring 80-90 goals per season.

UFC- Boring fighters who won and get no crowd reaction gets their ass cut. See Okami and Jon Fitch. They respond to fan reaction more than anyone else......except for Mighty Mouse.

Only WWE will trout out guys in prominent roles and push push push them to no fan reaction and assert the company is right.

 

[Rayzah]

Sure you can. Kevin Owens and Samoa Joe both have ready made reps and both sold lots of t shirts before even appearing on WWE television. "Smarks" wants them in prominent roles and have spent money to back up that belief. They are on the sideline for Mania in favor of Braun Strowman. How is that good business in any way?

Stop hating Braun Stroman has the "look" that the fans want to see, he is a larger than life character, who cares if he can wrestle or has aa personality that fans connect to he is big..

But you make a interesting point about the nba changing shyt to play to its stars strength, its fukked up but I agree I don't want to see boring finals or a boring super bowl with all defense I want to see scrambling qb's and big plays

 

[BurnSlow]

The WWE is getting that shyt right with signing outside talent though, should be interesting to see how this recent push for free agents change how fans view the product. So I can't say they're completely out of touch. This whole shyt with no blood and lack intergender tags is a bit backwards to me though. That crimson mask is a good way to sell pain and really works - shyt have me . Bubba powerbombing women through a table and the like was big-time heat magnets to me. But hey, they no the climate of they business shyt.

I just hope that they don't touch my Lucha Underground brehs when they purging talent.

 

[richaveli83]

NBA- Michael Jordan sold a whole lot of shoes and VHS tapes. Brought new fans to the TV set, but had Pistons problems. NBA promptly changed defensive rules and changed how they call games so MJ can prosper. Consequently David Stern began selling individual players and personalities over teams and Magic Johnson put over MJ on the way out leading to a NBA boom period.

NFL- Peyton Manning constantly set records in the regular season only to falter in the playoffs due to physical defenses disrupting their timing routes. NFL changes rules, defensive holding and pass interference calls explode, new offensive Renaissance. Ratings skyrocket. League rightly believed fans wanted more offense and gave it to them.

NHL- Hockey changes rules nearly on a yearly basis to promote scoring to harken back to the Gretzky/Mario days of scoring 80-90 goals per season.

UFC- Boring fighters who won and get no crowd reaction gets their ass cut. See Okami and Jon Fitch. They respond to fan reaction more than anyone else......except for Mighty Mouse.

Only WWE will trout out guys in prominent roles and push push push them to no fan reaction and assert the company is right.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

I was thinking this exact same thing earlier.

Only in wrestling are fans insulted by other fans for being passionate and knowledgeable about the thing they're a fan of. It's like these guys are lowkey ashamed to still watch wrestling, so they call everybody else smark this, neckbeard that.

Then when WWE does shyt the fans don't like, they boast about it and call everybody else losers and virgins for not liking it. Apparently that's more entertaining than the actual product, and they'd rather do that than actually enjoy the show.

Nah that shyt happens in music too. See the current state of hip hop where Drake is concerned.

It just says more about the current state of entertainment and the world in general.

It's not about what's good or what we want...it's about what's best for business :wbfb:

And I know...you like...well is'nt what's best for business what the fans want? A novel concept and very true but if Vince gives "the fans" what they want all the time, is it really is company anymore? Because that's how Vince thinks. And once you understand how that dudes thinks, you'll see why this shyt is in the state its in in 2016.

 

[StatUS]

NBA- Michael Jordan sold a whole lot of shoes and VHS tapes. Brought new fans to the TV set, but had Pistons problems. NBA promptly changed defensive rules and changed how they call games so MJ can prosper. Consequently David Stern began selling individual players and personalities over teams and Magic Johnson put over MJ on the way out leading to a NBA boom period.

NFL- Peyton Manning constantly set records in the regular season only to falter in the playoffs due to physical defenses disrupting their timing routes. NFL changes rules, defensive holding and pass interference calls explode, new offensive Renaissance. Ratings skyrocket. League rightly believed fans wanted more offense and gave it to them.

NHL- Hockey changes rules nearly on a yearly basis to promote scoring to harken back to the Gretzky/Mario days of scoring 80-90 goals per season.

UFC- Boring fighters who won and get no crowd reaction gets their ass cut. See Okami and Jon Fitch. They respond to fan reaction more than anyone else......except for Mighty Mouse.

Only WWE will trout out guys in prominent roles and push push push them to no fan reaction and assert the company is right.

 

[Da King]

Change the channel then

 

[TheAlbionist]

Change the channel then

I think I just did.

Lucha Underground just ate up my skip-through-the-watchable-bits-of-Raw hour.

NXT and PPV only from now on.

 

[Da King]

I think I just did.

Lucha Underground just ate up my skip-through-the-watchable-bits-of-Raw hour.

NXT and PPV only from now on.

Good, now don't ever let me catch you complaining about what happens on RAW again, BOY

 

[Vinny Lupton]

People call neckbeards "neckbeards" because it gets the neckbeards all worked up. It's funny. It's like the one kid in 1st grade who cries when people make fun of him. The kids are only gonna make fun of him more. If someone calls you a a fat virgin neckbeard but you don't think you're a fat virgin neckbeard, you shouldnt have anythng to worry about and you should keep it moving.

 

[Larry]

Yeah, but fans don't have an obligation to other fans because fans aren't paying other fans. They are paying customers of a brand, they have the right to demand or to complain about a brand that they use or frequent.

If I eat at McDonalds and it sucks and I post, "Man, that burger sucked", people aren't gonna jump down my throat, especially if McDonalds has been getting worse and worse in quality. You're also not gonna see people who do like McDonalds trolling the people who don't like it.

It makes no sense.

If I bought the hamburger, I have a right to think it sucks and most people generally seem to agree with that.

In wrestling though, people act as if you have to like everything a company does or somehow YOU are the problem.



Exactly, let Hollywood keep losing money because they're casting some guy the fans don't like in movies. They'll cut his ass out in a minute and they're not gonna tell the fans they're wrong.

They're gonna find somebody that will bring in money, not just keep pushing the same story or guy down everybody's throats until they like it. It's so counterintuitive, if you're trying to make money.



But that's like saying, you can't let music fans just decide who's records they want to buy. They must be forced to buy records from people they don't like too. It's insane.



And your point is?

I refuse to order the WWE Network, buy their merchandise, or PPVs BECAUSE of the way they do business and there's lots of fans who feel the same way

What you said about Hollywood is kiiiiiiiinda not accurate. The film industry has their chosen ones as well, and they'll force them down our throats just like The WWE does to make them happen..

They're doing it with Jai Courtney as we speak, Taylor Kitsch before him