Reality Files returns: Case 2, Peyton Manning the mediocre playoff QB.

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When you make a title like "Reality Files" there is a clear implication that you are saying something that hasn't been said or goes against the popular narrative. That's his actual reputation. :heh: He's known as a guy who fades come playoff time. What's next "Reality Files: MJ is GOAT"? or "Reality Files: McNabb choked in that SB".

I always :laff: whenever people talk about Flacco's playoff wins. 4 of those wins came with him passing for < 200 yds including one game where he passed for 34. And they all came with a great defense. He's 2-1 in the playoffs against Brady. Eli is 2-0. Guess they are better than Brady. :leon:

And Brady's playoff QB rating is actually lower than Mannings and he's had some very Manning like results the last few years. What happened? Did he fall off or has he just not been as fortunate as he was early on.

If you really are interested in reality Peyton has been extremely unfortunate in the playoffs. Great defense, other players stepping up, and flat out luck pretty much go hand and hand with winning in the playoffs and Mr. Manning hasn't had the luxury of any of those things for the most part. Just look at the last two L's. The Jets offense (not exactly the greatest show on turf) went right down the field for the GW FG in the last minute after Peyton's reciever dropped a pass that ices the game. Last year we saw probably the worst defensive lapse late in a game ever. However I know it's more fun to put it all on him as if it's not pretty much :deadhorse: at this point so :manny: carry on.
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I'll go ahead and ether this thread since I was tagged by name

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...postseason-chokes-exposed-as-works-of-fiction

The Myth of Peyton Manning's Postseason Chokes Exposed as Fiction
BY
RYAN MICHAEL
(SENIOR WRITER) ON FEBRUARY 18, 2009



If you have been a fan of the National Football League, no doubt you have heard the name Peyton Manning. The most productive quarterback in the history of the National Football League is often adored for his exploits both on and off the field.

Yet sometimes, you hear about the dark side of Manning's career.

Anyone who dislikes Manning or has a difficult time comprehending football is very quick to label him as a choke artist by putting the blame of his team's failures squarely on his shoulders.

After doing extensive research, I have come to the conclusion that the myth of Peyton Manning being a choker in the playoffs is an absolute work of fiction.

The opinions of many might disagree but the numbers tell a different story.

Prepare yourselves, both Manning lovers and haters alike to finally get a detailed look at the infamous postseason history of Peyton Manning.

I'll begin with the obvious.

Peyton Manning has a postseason record of 7-8. Not that a winning record close to .500 would be bad by most people's standards but you have to understand that Peyton Manning is held to a different standard than everyone else.

Since he has become the most productive quarterback in regular season history, people feel that he should easily be able to duplicate the same production during the postseason.

What people fail to recognise are the circumstances that change in that environment.

If you take a look at Manning's regular season winning record, no doubt you will notice that he has managed to accumulate an excessive amount of victories.

His regular season record is 117-59.

He also has more victories in a single decade than any quarterback in NFL history.

As a matter of fact, he's tied for sixth place one the All-Time wins list with Joe Montana, who accumulated the same amount of victories over a 16-year span.

These are Peyton Manning's career statistics in the postseason...

348 of 565 (61.5 percent) for 4,207 yards. 22 touchdown passes and 17 interceptions.

His quarterback rating: 84.8

Wait a second, if Manning has been so horrible during the postseason, his numbers have to be worse than that?

Actually no.

With the exception of a few really bad postseason games, Manning has otherwise remained quite effective during January.

To put his postseason quarterback rating in perspective, it's higher than the career quarterback rating of Roger Staubach, Jim Kelly, Len Dawson, Sonny Jurgensen, Troy Aikman, Warren Moon, Bart Starr, Dan Fouts, and John Elway. All of them are members of the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Now lets try to define exactly what one would consider a "choke-job" to be. I feel that the following would be a pretty good criteria.

  • A quarterback who posts a QB rating of less then 70.0.
  • A quarterback who throws more interceptions than touchdowns.
If the quarterback posts a rating above 70.0 he has not completely choked. For example, a quarterback rating of 75.0 is not great by any standards but it illustrates that the quarterback played well enough to not completely choke.

If a quarterback throws three touchdowns to two interceptions, he might not have played a great game but he produced more good than bad and at least didn't choke.

So now let's see how many times Peyton Manning fit the "choking" criteria posted above. Meaning that he had a quarterback rating lower then 70.0 and also threw more interceptions than touchdowns.



2002: Indianapolis Colts at. New York Jets (41-0 Loss)

Manning: 14 of 31 for 137 yards, zero touchdowns and two interceptions. QB rating: 31.2.

But how much support did he get from his running game?

Colts Team Rushing Production: 50 yards and zero touchdowns.

So as you can see, a bad game by Manning but just as bad in terms of the support he was getting. The defense allowed the Jets to score 41 points and the running game produced only 50 yards and no scores.



2003: Indianapolis Colts at. New England Patriots (24-14 Loss)

Manning: 23 of 47 for 237 yards, one touchdown and four interceptions. QB rating: 35.5.

But how much support did he get from his running game?

Colts Team Rushing Production: 98 yards and one touchdown.

So in this game, Manning played even worse then he did against New York. He had some support in the 98 rushing yards and one touchdown but that was far from a exceptional performance from his running game either. This is a game that could warrant the "choke" label.



2004: Indianapolis Colts at. New England Patriots (20-3 Loss)

Manning: 27 of 42 for 238 yards, zero touchdowns and one interceptions. QB rating: 69.3.

But how much support did he get from his running game?

Colts Team Rushing Production: 39 rushing yards and zero touchdowns.

In this game, Peyton played better then the previous two. He certainly didn't prove to be very effective but neither was his running game. This is a game the Colts might have won had the offense been more productive. I'm not sure it warrants the "choke" label but it was a poor performance none the less.



2006: Indianapolis Colts at. Baltimore Ravens (15-6 Win)

Manning: 15 of 30 for 170 yards, zero touchdowns and two interceptions. QB rating: 39.5.

But how much support did he get from the running game?

Colts Team Rushing Production: 95 rushing yards and zero touchdowns.

This was a game that was won by the fantastic performance of the Colts defense (for once) and the heroics of Adam Vinatieri who scored all 15 of the Colts points.

This was a game where Peyton played poorly but his defense and special teams saved him from losing.

He didn't have too much support from the running game but it was a little better than usual. Despite that, this performance could certainly warrant the "choke" label.

By my count, that was only four games out of the 15 Manning has played during the postseason where you could legitimately say he choked. There have been a few average performances sure, but not choke jobs by any legitimate standard.

Now that we have discussed the bad, I'm going to give you a detailed overview of how Peyton has performed in the postseason and how much support he got along the way.

Here are some details that might prove to be very revealing.

  • In ten out of the 15 postseason games, Manning posted a quarterback rating above 70.0.
  • In seven out of the 15 postseason games, Manning has posted a quarterback rating above 80.0.
  • In six out of the 15 postseason games, Manning has posted a quarterback rating above 90.0.
  • In three out of the 15 postseason games, Manning has posted a quarterback rating above 100.0.
 

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That shows us that Manning rarely played very poorly. He usually maintained a quarterback rating that was either average or exceptional.

Here are some more details.

  • In 12 out of the 15 postseason games, Manning threw for over 200 yards.
  • In eight of the 15 postseason games, Manning threw for over 250 yards.
  • In six out of the 15 postseason games, Manning threw for over 300 yards.
  • In three out of the 15 postseason games, Manning threw for over 350 yards.
  • In one out of the 150 postseason games, Manning threw for over 450 yards (that's not a typo, it's an NFL postseason record).
Essentially, Manning usually produced a fair if not impressive amount of passing yards during his postseason career.

Now lets take a look at some details about his quarterback rating during his postseason career.

  • In only five of the 15 postseason games, Manning had a quarterback rating below 70.0.
  • In six of the 15 postseason games, Manning had a quarterback rating above 90.0.
  • In three of the 15 postseason games, Manning had a quarterback rating above 100.0
Now lets take a look at the support Peyton Manning was getting from his running game during his postseason career.

  • In ten out of the 15 postseason games, The Colts failed to rush for over 100 yards.
  • In 13 out of the 15 postseason games, The Colts failed to rush for over 150 yards.
  • In seven out of the 15 postseason games, The Colts failed to score a single rushing touchdown (not including rushing touchdowns scored by Peyton).
  • In every season besides 2006, the Colts averaged only 79.4 rushing yards per game.
  • In 2006, the Colts averaged 149.5 rushing yards per game.
What we can tell from his is that during the majority of Manning's postseason career, he's had little to no backing from his running game.

The one year when his running game played a little bit impressive, he won the Super Bowl.

So as you can see, there have been many misconceptions about the postseason career of Peyton Manning.

The popular opinion seems to be that he has been a choke-artist despite the fact that you could only legitimately label him with that term in four out of the 15 games.

People also fail to consider the backing Manning had in those playoff contests.

Everyone will have their own opinion but I hope the information provided will help you gain a better understanding about Manning's postseason career.

That brings me to the conclusion that the label of "choke artist" that Peyton has received is patently absurd. People choose to focus in on the minority instead of appreciating the majority.
 

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Get that garbage out of here, everyone who has played the game will tell you qb rating doesnt show the real picture.... perfect example is peyton.....its a espn stat.... you are brainwashed by espn:snoop:
 
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We ain't done yet, we shattering fanboy myths left and right today

http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/554605-why-the-myth-of-mannings-playoff-failures-isnt-true

Why The Myth Of Manning's Playoff Failures Isn't True
  • Jason Whitlock, a sometimes reporter for Foxsports.com and most-time shill for his particular loves in life (Donovan McNabb, Jeff George, Younger Women, preferably strippers), last week wrote a column about Peyton Manning. The gist is that Manning needs to win another Super Bowl or he won???t retire as ???the greatest quarterback of all time.???

He admits that by the time Manning retires he will own every meaningful QB record in NFL history. He admits that yes, Manning is the only person to ever win 4 MVPs in NFL history. And yes, Manning has already won a Super Bowl.

But apparently that isn???t good enough. He then goes on to cherrypick stats to show that Manning doesn???t have an ???ability to execute efficiently when pressure is the highest.??? Whitlock never puts these statistics into context. He complete ignores the teams Manning played on and how good (or bad) those team???s defenses were. He ignores the fact that the Colts haven???t had a running game in 3 years or that Manning is basically the team???s offensive coordinator, surveying the defense and calling the play off of what he sees. Or that Manning was poised to go undefeated this season while breaking in 2 rookie receivers for over 100 catches total. (Garcon played about 9 minutes last year; he???s basically a rookie.) None of that is important I guess.

No Whitlock is sticking with the argument that Manning isn???t a clutch QB. This despite the fact that in Manning???s career, he has had 35 4th quarter comebacks and 44 game-winning drives. Tom Brady, who Whitlock puts on the first tier of ???high-pressure-performing QBs,??? has had 21 4th quarter comebacks and 29 game-winning drives. Montana had 31 4th quarter comebacks and 33 game winning drives. Brett Favre???who, mind you has just one Super Bowl ring as well???has 30 4th quarter comebacks and 44 game-winning drives, despite playing 816 more years at QB than Manning.

No matter. Perception is reality, and nowhere more so than in sports and since the perception of Manning is that he isn???t a big game quarterback, Whitlock regurgatates the case that he isn???t. He recites the tired argument that (at the time of his writing) Manning???s postseason record was 7-8, ignoring the fact that the majority of those performances came before 2005 and that Manning is 4-2 (not including this season) in his last 6 playoff games, the same record as Brady, and has won a Super Bowl. He also ignores the fact that in those 2 recent playoff losses, Manning???s QB rating averages out to 94.05 and Manning went 58 for 86 (a 67.4 completion percentage). In those two losses, his running backs, despite the well-executed passing offense, ran for 110 yards on 40 carries.

This is not to overly praise Manning or to knock Brady, Montana or anyone else. This is to ask???why the perception of Manning not executing in big games? Is it just because since college, Manning has had that tag stuck to his back, and that nothing he can do will shake it? I mean, Manning has a higher QB rating than Tom Brady, Brett Favre or John Elway in playoff games, yet he is not a big game QB? His playoff completion rating is higher than all those guys and is percentage points behind Joe Montana, but he still doesn???t come up big in playoffs?

Now yes, Brady won three Super Bowl rings. But can anybody tell me that the Colts defense of the 2000s compared in any way to the Belichek-led Patriots defenses? Or that the 49ers of the 80s didn???t have some of the most complete teams in NFL history? (I mean Steve Young was a backup fer crissakes.) Montana???s 4 teams that won Super Bowls???their defenses ranked 2nd, 1st, 8th and 3rd in those years. To contrast, the Colts team that won the Super Bowl...their defense was ranked 23rd that season.

I guess we shouldn???t be shocked, though, at the Whitlock article. Whitlock always sticks to his core tenets no matter the reality. For instance, in the next segment of his article, what does he do...he defends Donovan McNabb. Whitlock blames Andy Reid for the Eagles??? failure in the playoffs and vehemently defends Donovan McNabb. Donovan, by the way, went 19 for 37 in the playoff game against the Cowboys. Again, no matter what the truth is, Whitlock???s attacks the man who has won a Super Bowl and has performed comparably with the greats of the game and defends the guy who has no ring and laid an egg in this year???s playoff.

Again, we shouldn???t be shocked by a guy who implied back in 2006 that steroids were painted by the media as a ???black??? or ???foreigner??? problem, but not an issue for whites. Who, when the media crucified Roger Clemens, wrote:

The leaders of the Barry Bonds witch-hunt need Clemens. In order to prove their lack of bias and agenda, they must tie and burn Clemens at the same stake they used to roast Barry the last five years.
Who said it was ???shameful??? that Andy Reid (remember, Whitlock decided he was bad) was coaching the Eagles after his sons got busted on drug charges.

But let me tell you what???s most troubling about all of this: Andy Reid???s cowardice and the fact that we???re letting him get away with it.
But when Tony Dungy???s son was busted for drugs and for writing racist things on the Internet, what did Whitlock say?

I respect and appreciate everything that Dungy stands for. He???s good for the game and a terrific role model.

Did Whitlock ever call out Dungy for his son???s drug use, his racism? (Of course, before Dungy???s son committed suicide???I, of course am not asking Whitlock to blaspheme the tragic death of his son.) Did Whitlock call out Dungy for associating himself with the Indiana Family Alliance, which advocates making Gay Marriage illegal in Indiana?

Of course not. Whitlock makes his mind up on someone first and writes articles to fulfill his vision ever after. And that???s the point. The point is not to think. To never think. The point is to take a rumor, a once-truth, a joke, a nugget of data found on the web???and to place it firmly in your mind as Truth. And to regurgitate as needed.

And that???s what all those reporters and talking heads???have done. It???s what Whitlock has done. He???s already made his mind up about Peyton Manning???a while ago. And he???s stuck with it ever since. Otherwise, why would he write this about Manning???s performance against the Ravens:

???Indianapolis???s offense was far from sharp. Peyton Manning missed several throws.???

Manning went 30 for 44???a 68.5 completion percentage. He had 2 TD passes.​
 

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Still not done, I'm about to demolish your whole OP :ufdup:

http://captaincomeback.wordpress.co...-nfl-playoffs-learn-what-you-are-criticizing/

Peyton Manning’s Eight One-And-Done NFL Playoffs: Learn What You Are Criticizing
Posted by scottkacsmar on January 13, 2013
Posted in: Myth-busting, Well Allow Me to Retort. Tagged: Denver Broncos, Indianapolis Colts, NFL Playoffs, Peyton Manning. 42 comments
Peyton Manning lost another playoff game. Starting as a common quarterback narrative, the story has breathed too many years without more Super Bowl success to dispel, because we all know the “NFL For Dummies” handbook says to judge a quarterback based on championships won in the ultimate team sport.

So when Manning loses a playoff game, the popular thing to do is bash his reputation as a postseason quarterback, bash his losing playoff record (9-11), and call him a choker. The latest loss was probably the most painful one yet, and it gives Manning 11 playoff losses (tied with Brett Favre for record) and eight one-and-done postseason’s (another record).

But when someone throws that last fact out, they clearly do not realize what they are criticizing. If you want to bash the Colts and No. 1 seed 2012 Broncos for losing these games, five of them at home (by a combined 14 points), as a team, then feel free. They probably should have won at least 5-6 of them.

Though if you are bashing Manning based on his performances, then you need your head examined. Which other QB in NFL history could possibly produce these numbers and go 0-8 in the process without getting royally screwed over by his teammates and various other factors in a way no player ever has?

This is what you are knocking when you throw out the eight one-and-done seasons and 0-8 record:

  • 176/362 (58.3 percent) – This includes over 30 dropped passes in what equates to half a regular season
  • 2,075 passing yards (6.87 YPA)
  • 10 TD passes, one TD run
  • 6 INT – Three deflected off his own receiver’s hands, two thrown vs. 2002 Jets when Colts trailed 34-0/41-0 in 4th quarter
  • 82.0 passer rating - This would rank 23rd all time in postseason history (min. 150 attempts).
  • Six games with rating of 82.0 or better (five over 88.3, which is roughly career rating).
  • Seven losses by a combined 26 points; one other loss by 41 points.
  • Led in final 5:00 of fourth quarter five times.
  • Led in final 0:40 of fourth quarter four times.
  • Three overtime losses.
  • Two games where Manning’s last possession resulted in a missed field goal by Mike Vanderjagt (2000 MIA, 2005 PIT).
  • 2002 at Jets: Manning set Vanderjagt up for 41-yard FG, trailing 7-0. The next time he took the field, it was 17-0 Jets.
  • A memorable play where Nick Harper could have returned Jerome Bettis’ fumble for game-winning TD, but was tackled by Ben Roethlisberger.
  • Billy Volek came off the bench for Philip Rivers to lead Chargers on fourth-quarter comeback win (2007).
  • The worst average starting field position for any road team in the playoffs in the last 30 years (2008 San Diego).
These are not normal occurrences, and somehow the same quarterback keeps experiencing them, and becomes the easy target every year.

Saturday was the ultimate bow on top. Rahim Moore had a shot at a game-ending interception, and instead offers up what will go down as the worst ball misjudgment in NFL playoff history, resulting in Baltimore’s 70-yard game-tying TD. That is “Game Over” for any other quarterback. This was supposed to be “Manning’s best defense ever,” yet they suffered the biggest lapse and letdown in his career.

The game incredibly continued into overtime, and on Manning’s second possession, he went Favre and threw a bad interception. Immediately this cues the “Manning with another crushing playoff INT” talk, yet look at the list. This is the first time he’s ever thrown an interception in a close game like this that was actually his fault.

Just like how the Tracy Porter play in Super Bowl XLIV was the first time Manning ever turned the ball over in the fourth quarter/overtime in a one-score game in the playoffs. Yet the narrative is he always does these things. How does that happen when the facts show otherwise? These plays are first’s, not repeats.

What Manning usually does in the playoffs is give his team a chance to win the game in a way no other quarterback has. When they don’t, he takes the blunt of the criticism regardless of his play.

This stuff isn’t that hard to analyze. They only play 11 playoff games a year. Blame the quarterback when he deserves it. Don’t just blame Manning because of his status, and that you expect a touchdown every single drive from him. He’s not perfect. No one is in the playoffs.

In a 20-game sample, things are not going to even out, and they certainly have not evened out for Manning just yet, and he is really running out of chances. If the playoffs are supposed to be so important, so micro-analyzed, why are we seeing more garbage analysis than ever before? Just saying “9-11″ does not prove a thing.

You know why quarterbacks who win a lot of playoff games do so? It’s not because they statistically out-produce Manning, because few do in the postseason. It’s because their teammates don’t muff onside-kick recoveries like Hank Baskett in the Super Bowl, miss clutch field goals like Mike Vanderjagt, forget a snap count on 3rd-and-1 with a chance to clinch the game, or allow a back-breaking 70-yard touchdown bomb.

Winning playoff teams limit their mistakes and finish games in the playoffs. There is no magical playoff quarterback formula about it. Manning was just over 30 seconds away from clinching his 50th game-winning drive, moving onto next week’s AFC Championship, and then disaster struck. A disaster other quarterbacks simply don’t have to deal with, because games never end that way.

Stop writing your stories before the game even starts, and pay attention to what actually happens. Be a defensive writer; one who reacts to what they see. Otherwise, you end up with garbage that truly defines the word “offensive.”
 

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Get that garbage out of here, everyone who has played the game will tell you qb rating doesnt show the real picture.... perfect example is peyton.....its a espn stat.... you are brainwashed by espn:snoop:

The argument is DONE. Peyton plays above average in the playoffs and better than Tom Brady who people try to compare him to in negative light. The proof has been posted many times over. Stop being a blind fanboy and watch as I demolish this argument. This thread is mine now, cry Leslie stans :blessed:
 

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THe OP shows the facts, this dude comes back by saying its a myth:snoop:
 

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The argument is DONE. Peyton plays above average in the playoffs and better than Tom Brady who people try to compare him to in negative light. The proof has been posted many times over. Stop being a blind fanboy and watch as I demolish this argument. This thread is mine now, cry Leslie stans :blessed:
If you really think Peyton has played better in the playoffs then Brady then you are a certified idiot.
 

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Another one. There's articles like this all over the internet. Funny how people who watch game tapes and analyze deep stats know whats up, but only fanboy slurpers who check box scores still try to push the Peyton choker in playoffs myth as fact :usure:

Crushing the Myth
January 17, 2011 By Jon Washburn 9 Comments
Tom Brady can’t win the big game.

He wants to be the star. He wants all the attention (just look at his hair). He wants all the glory, but one simple fact remains. He can’t win the big game.

He has gone 5-5 in the playoffs since 2005. He finished with QB ratings of 74, 57.6, 79.5, 66.4, 82.5, 49.1, and 89 in seven of those games. In his last three playoff games (all losses), he has thrown 5 TDs and 4 INTs. He has averaged a rating of 73.5 in those games. By the way, those losses came with teams that won 16, 10, and 14 games respectively. He lost to quarterbacks named Eli, Joe, and the Sanchize.

Can you say choke?


(Cue: Sound of record coming to a screeching halt)


At this point, you have either walked away from the computer, or slammed it shut. You understand that I am a diehard Colts fan and I’m probably out of my mind. Only an idiot would say that Tom Brady isn’t clutch. You would have to be a fool to completely ignore the first half of his career at this point and claim that he’s not a winner. Right?

Right.

If you have followed the NFL AT ALL over the past five seasons, you would come to the (correct) conclusion that with the exception of 2007, Brady has simply played on inferior teams to the ones he was on in the early part of the decade. But because he has already won 3 Super Bowls, he gets the benefit of the doubt because you have seen him win before, and you believe that if he played on a team with that much talent again, he would probably win the Super Bowl.

Unfortunately, Tom Brady is the only player in the NFL that has this luxury. You would never give Peyton Manning, or Dan Marino, or any of those guys the benefit of the doubt.

That’s wrong. But don’t worry, it’s not your fault. You have merely fallen victim to the BIGGEST misconception that football fans everywhere have been deceived by for years:

You think that individual players win football games.
 

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http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/2011/01/crushing-the-myth/ continued

And you have fallen into this trap for one of three reasons: you think that football works like basketball, or baseball, or another similar sport.

One of the best things about basketball is that it lends itself to easy comparisons. Everyone has to play offense and defense. Many times, the best players have to guard each other. So if two teams are relatively equal, the best player wins. After Michael Jordan went head to head against Magic, and then Clyde, and then Barkley…and beat them all…it was easy to make the argument that he was better than everyone else from that era. We saw him single-handedly dominate the games – offensively, defensively, physically, emotionally, and mentally. He was all over the floor, refusing to let his team lose.

In baseball, a pitcher can also easily dominate one game and secure victory for his team almost single-handedly. Just ask the Yankees how they felt about Cliff Lee this past postseason.

But as I’ve written before, football is different. When you factor in Offense, Defense, and Special Teams, Tom Brady played in 45% of the game yesterday. That means that for more than half the game, Brady couldn’t do anything to help his team win.

There are very specific reasons to explain why the Pats lost yesterday, but none of them really had anything to do with how Brady played. Bill Belichick got greedy with a fake punt late in the first half that ended up giving the Jets a cheap seven points. Deion Branch made a HUGE drop on the key 4th down play in the final quarter. The Patriots’ defense simply couldn’t stop the run and get the Jets off the field when it needed to. Frankly, it was Colts-Jets 2.0: bad coaching, a huge drop, and the inability to stop the run. There’s your ballgame.

The only difference is that Brady won’t receive HALF the blame that Peyton Manning received after the Colts’ lost. But hold on. I’m not here just to defend Peyton (again), I’m here to blow apart the myth that individuals win football games.
 
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