REALTALK: THESE YOUNG ARTISTS WANT TO BE ON NAS & JAY-Z LEVEL SO BAD

[dre]

So you gon compare these new booties begging to be put on the same pedastal as legends without putting any work in to Jay basically letting mufckaz know he was the best out..based on the work he put in??


Nah chill..u whylin


If u rlly wanna get down to it..

What rlly caused this is that the artists that get signed for the most part are more wide stretched when it comes to living conditions


Alot of these nikkaz aint have to start out like a Jay or Nas who grew up living this hip hop shyt..gaining notoriety by battling

Thats why alot of these new nikkaz be satisfied with just getting a deal n thats it..
They aint tryna be that nikka in rap..jus tryna get some more paper n fukk bytches...

It is what it is....

That is so important. This might illicit some Larry Holmes shyt

But I feel like any rapper who really wants to be a legend has to master the art of MCing, captivating a crowd, mastering the ceremony.

And whats a rawer proving ground then being in the street, around people who dont know you, probably wanna laugh you out, battling or ciphering and proving your worth on your bars alone...and im not even talking just punchlines or technical ability..you can be on some ODB shyt and still sway the crowd

Look up and down the list of the top 10-15 artists that have debuted since 2008..how many do you think have ever been in that situation. I don't even have to name names but we know that list is very small

..that video of Big on the block freestyling is shown damn near every time hes mentioned at length..Jay, Big, Busta, AZ, GZA all them nikkas talked about battling each other in BK in school or wherever...nowadays you see a rival and you just hope he follows you back on Twitter....nikkas look at Hip-Hop more like applying for a job and hoping you get hired than they actually think about being fully equipped for it...like its another means to an end

 

[TrapHouse Rock]

I posted this in the J Cole album thread but it applies here




I'm listening to the album now so I'll reserve judgement on that.

but just some thoughts on that Let Nas down record. shyt is so weird to me.......I don't understand the mentality. At the end of the day, J cole doesn't work for Nas...what you worried about letting that man down for? Nas ain't paying your bills.....shyt if you're worried about letting someone down, worry about letting Jay down....he gave you your shot. Legend or not, do you....This shyt is borderline gay. Dude is a grown as man worried about letting another man down.....WTF.

Nas is my favorite rapper but he's not worried about letting Rakim down, he's out for those checks. I've seen NaS haul off and diss The Roots & then go do a song with Ja Rule & Ashanti.......You're worried about letting him down? You're talking about a guy who will go on MTV Diary and say he's not doing beer ads because it's bad for kids then go get a Hennessy endorsement 10 years later. I can't imagine basing my self esteem on the opinion of someone has hypocritical as Nas. Get the fukk out of here man.

I grew up on late 80s, 90s rappers....nikkas had a I don't give a fukk mentality. Ice cube said, "if you don't like how I'm living then fukk you." I miss that mentality, not this insecure, I have a dream and looking for approval mentality. shyt's lame, go take yours.


That said, the beat is crazy and it's a well put together song.....basically kanye big brother part 2.

he fukked up with that song, like to call it 'let nas down' was a huge mistake. imagine if it was titled something else and he just randomly drops that shyt about nas on there

 

[TrapHouse Rock]

i was dissapointed by the track pharell & ti made with robin thicke , i saw that shyt this morning waking up .. but i still <3 plus im tryin not to leave the tv on at night like my man said theyve got signals that not healthy fo us

neg what the fukk is this

 

[bigmanharris]

This song > than your favorite rapper

Nas - Heaven - YouTube

show some respect to the gawd!

I'm a huge Jay fan and he won the battle to me.....but this is a powerful Nas song from my favorite Nas album. God's Son was very slept on.

 

[rapbeats]

"Do they realize there is levels to this shyt.." PUN intended

2 weeks ago I watched Wale campaign for fans to stop over looking the music being released today by he and his peers. He stated that we the fans are undervaluing the music being dropped today because we're still stuck on the Nas' Jay-zs' and Scarfaces' from Hip hops past.


Well I just gave J.Cole's sophomore album a full listen and while its solid its nothing groundbreaking. When I listened to Only Built For Cuban Linx the first time I knew it was special.

Wale, your first two albums are solid. The second is arguably better but its nothing groundbreaking. Better yet, game changing. The albums drop and have little to know impact on the genre or the world.

These artists better study history and be careful what they say out of their mouths. Jadakiss, Cassidy, Fabolous had next at one point and were given opportunity after opportunity to drop game changing projects and didn't.

Stop campaigning that your great and BE great

Lupe dropped Food & Liquor and the music spoke for itself
Game dropped The Documentary and the music spoke for itself
Wayne dropped the carter and the music spoke for itself
Kanye dropped college dropout and the music spoke for itself
Jeezy dropped 101 and let the music speak for itself
Ross dropped Deeper Than Rap and let the music speak for itself
Kendrick Lamar dropped Good Kid, Madd City and let the music speak for itself

i have never heard a rapper from the golden era cry to the fans about "stop undervaluing us." never in my life seen that.

the reason being. is because those rappers didnt care about the older rappers like that. sure they respected them and gave them props. but they were on a mission to kill every verse, every album, every show. to the point where old heads then were no longer checking for their favorite 80's rapper, they are now checking for their favorite 90s rapper.

these young boys today dont understand. you have to be rap better then that. the beats, the album, the concerts have to be better then they are for you to get the love those golden era rappers had.

you should never ask for your fans to dumb down their listening skills in order to give you props.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Good thread.

It's true though, cats lean way too much on "the power of suggestion" these days. Thinkin' that if they can convince you they're great, you'll run with it and they'll become great. As noted, the issue lately has been that cats don't have the catalogues to back all the shyt they talk.

As the OP said, the true greats didn't boast about how dope they were away from the music, they had them albums on deck that would do that for them. I'm seriously convinced that cats know they're not built to be great, so they campaign so heavily to try and force the issue. But you can't fool listeners, that music won't tell the same story.

 

[10:31]

nikkas out here rapping just to take pictures


I remember when Wale was tight that he didn't have a sneaker deal.. "Meek has Puma" "Ross has Rebok"

nikka shut the fukk up and drop a GKMC and really put DC on.

 

[msims]

"Do they realize there is levels to this shyt.." PUN intended

2 weeks ago I watched Wale campaign for fans to stop over looking the music being released today by he and his peers. He stated that we the fans are undervaluing the music being dropped today because we're still stuck on the Nas' Jay-zs' and Scarfaces' from Hip hops past.


Well I just gave J.Cole's sophomore album a full listen and while its solid its nothing groundbreaking. When I listened to Only Built For Cuban Linx the first time I knew it was special.

Wale, your first two albums are solid. The second is arguably better but its nothing groundbreaking. Better yet, game changing. The albums drop and have little to know impact on the genre or the world.

These artists better study history and be careful what they say out of their mouths. Jadakiss, Cassidy, Fabolous had next at one point and were given opportunity after opportunity to drop game changing projects and didn't.

Stop campaigning that your great and BE great

Lupe dropped Food & Liquor and the music spoke for itself
Game dropped The Documentary and the music spoke for itself
Wayne dropped the carter and the music spoke for itself
Kanye dropped college dropout and the music spoke for itself
Jeezy dropped 101 and let the music speak for itself
Ross dropped Deeper Than Rap and let the music speak for itself
Kendrick Lamar dropped Good Kid, Madd City and let the music speak for itself

Read what this nikka @Ziggiy said:

....

What people have to understand about the entire situation is that artists and their music are CONSTANTLY evolving in a continued cycle of the culture. Of the newer generation of MC's to emerge within the last 4 years lets take a look at the artists who have "blown up". J.Cole, Drake, Big Sean, and Kendrick Lamar (I'm leaving Jay Electronica out of the discussion as he has yet to release a proper debut album)

what do all four of these artists have in common? Their musical identities were firmly established BEFORE they released major label debut albums through their mixtapes. Cole's musical path was forged through The Warm Up, Drake's through So Far Gone, Sean's through Finally Famous, and Kendrick's through Section 80. They gained fans and attention through these efforts, with full creative responsibility falling on their shoulders.
All four attained success through their Major Label debut albums, however, of the four, only ONE artist attained unanimous critical acclaim. Which artist would this be? Kendrick Lamar, whose label allowed him the same creative freedom that had been previously allowed him.

Drake on Thank Me Later

“Thank Me Later was a rushed album, I didn’t get to take the time that I wanted to on that record, I rushed a lot of the songs and sonically, I didn’t get to sit with the record, it was like once it was done, it was like its done,”

Drake Focuses On ‘Take Care’; Says ‘Thank Me Later’ Was Rushed « V-103 – The People's Station


J.Cole on Work Out

“That's how you get a song like ‘Work Out,’” J. Cole told Karmaloop TV. “I went to radio stations and seen how radio stations work...I went and learned all these things. That’s how I made a record like ‘Work Out,’ I went, ‘Okay, I can play that game. I’ll give you a song full of hooks,’ the catchy shyt that I knew would work on radio. That’s me playing the game.”

Born Sinner: Predictions On J. Cole's Sophomore Album | Discussing Lil' Wayne, Drake & Many More Hip Hop Artists | HipHop DX

Big Sean on building his fanbase with no label support


"I realized that I had to give them incentive to mess with me as an artist, to get fully behind me. I didn’t have a strong buzz so why would they wanna put out my album over a Young Jeezy or Kanye or Rihanna? But then I realized that any song that I put out was posted on the Internet. I realized, “I could build my own following doing this. Man, fukk a label. I’m just gonna do me.”

Interview: Big Sean Talks Being Broke, Building His Buzz, & Crying To His Mom | Complex


Compare these quotes to Kendrick

“To have an album that I have total creative control over is one of the best feelings in the world. I probably wouldn’t have been able to make a dark album if I didn’t have creative control. That’s why once [some people] get into a situation, they change their style. But I have creative control."


THAT'S what the labels aren't getting and what they fail to understand. In days previous, Nas, Jay-Z, Biggie, and Wu-Tang all made their marks with their debut albums. Their artistic identities were firmly established with the Illmatics, Reasonable Doubts, and 36 Chambers, allowing them to gain fans based upon their natural talents. These newer generation MC's are NOT being the chance to evolve naturally and progressively from their already established identities. The labels are crippling them by forcing them to come up with generic, watered down "hits" which do nothing but stagger the artist's growth. The labels need to understand that J.Cole, Drake, and Big Sean have already EARNED their fan's loyalty by releasing mixtapes and touring. The debut album should be a statement of artistic integrity rather than a manufactured introduction through a bullshyt single aimed at the top 40.

#TPC

Too long; didn't read: Artist back then had more creative control over their albums than the artists of this decade. These newer generation MC's are NOT given the chance to evolve naturally and progressively from their already established identities. The labels are crippling them by forcing them to come up with generic, watered down "hits" which do nothing but stagger the artist's growth.

Older artist had FULL control over their songs. Don't get mad at the new artists. Get mad at the labels who cripple them, breh.


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[Still Benefited]

This is a good thread breh

U gotta put everything in context doe. Jay's generation, Nas' generation (they are 20 yrs apart so they are different generations), them nikkas had it ROUGH. Jay shot his brother and sold Memphis Bleek's mother crack (this is why he took him under his wing) among other things. Puff literally had to beg Biggie to stop selling crack and put the album together. Pac, for all his lies and all that, really wasn't afraid to speak his mind. Pac was everything Yeazle is trying to be and failing. So its like these new nikkas are fighting ghosts. How can you stand toe to toe in the context of rap bravado with nikkas who lived through and did all the wild shyt you lie about? How can J-Cole's stories of being a run of the mill American go toe to toe w/something like '10 Crack Commandments'? Content wise, credibility wise, these nikkas don't stand a chance.

That's OK though. There are plenty of artists who have displayed brilliance w/o having to rely on '88 tales. Lupe, Kendrick, and yes I dont give a fukk what nikkas say, my nikka Charles Hamilton before the H. Here is where a nikka like J Cole or Wale comes up short. Lupe, Kendrick, CHX... these nikkas are hungry and creative. nikkas like Wale, J Cole, they are entitled and derivative. A nikka like Wale thinks he can have the props w/o proving he has to earn them. And he hasn't proven himself. Lot of these nikkas haven't. And a lot of these nikkas aren't really making music worth praising or even listening to really. The production game is but these dudes are not moving the game forward lyrically or creatively. Lot of these brehs drop songs and albums people talk abotu for like a month and forget about. But golden era nikkas made music people still use as measuring sticks 20 yrs later. Theres no comparison

Plus these fakkits are scared to compete or ruffle feathers. nikkas would rather put out a wack verse on a collabo and be buddy buddy than kill it and embarass a nikka. But rap has always been a competitive sport. If you dont compete in this game you are worthless. nikkas don't show up to a game to shake hands and pat each other on the back. They play to win!!!!

My advice to these nikkas.... if you are really about this shyt, you should be looking to step your bars up every time you write. You should be looking to prove you are not just good, but THE BEST, every time you step in the booth. You shouldn't be afraid of anybody. You should prove yourself instead of begging for props you don't deserve. You can't do that, get the fukk out the game. Fresh Direct is hiring. Theres too many nikkas trying to rap these days. Its time to start culling the herd and picking off weak nikkas like J Cole.

Ima play devils advocate for a second.....we can blame the young nikkas and talk about how they feel entitled or like they are better than they are.....but hold up once second,we gotta talk about these old head 90's nikkas that's tellin these dudes how great they are...tellin Jcole he's the one,tellin Kendrick,Wale,Drake they future legends in they interviews....washed up and sumtimes not washed up legends bein nice and humble and praisin the new guys,can u blame em for thinkin they the shyt when legends and they idols tellin them they already there?

Now rewind,I wuznt around to see it early on but wuz old heads constantly praisin the new nikkas in the 90's or did they act like they ain't see them nikkas,or better yet hate on other nikkas shyt blindly

Maybe unity amongst the current generation ain't the biggest problem,maybe the old heads need to stop givin these new dudes credit...the lack of recognition,props given and sumtimes hate from they idols may have been motivation behind the 90's nikkas goin so hard to prove they wuz equal or superior to they idols that came before him....I think rappers respond better to hate than positive reinforcment let's be honest,and I think it shows....I don't think Wale or Jcole is entitled and Wale made sum good points,maybe these old heads need to joine forces and collectivly bring a dose of blind hate back to motivate these nikkas if its not too late....I can't even bleme them for thinkin they great and fans just don't see it.....how can fans sayin they just "ok" compete with they idols and goat level nikkas tellin them they the truth and will be legends?of course we can't tell them shyt.

I always thought older heads bein good mentors and supportive of the new crop would be a good thing...but I'm rethinking my stance,I think I want my old heads less diplomatic and hating on everything new and callin it corny...kinda like how fans of the 90's do here on the-coli..

 

[DaPresident]

Ima play devils advocate for a second.....we can blame the young nikkas and talk about how they feel entitled or like they are better than they are.....but hold up once second,we gotta talk about these old head 90's nikkas that's tellin these dudes how great they are...tellin Jcole he's the one,tellin Kendrick,Wale,Drake they future legends in they interviews....washed up and sumtimes not washed up legends bein nice and humble and praisin the new guys,can u blame em for thinkin they the shyt when legends and they idols tellin them they already there?

Now rewind,I wuznt around to see it early on but wuz old heads constantly praisin the new nikkas in the 90's or did they act like they ain't see them nikkas,or better yet hate on other nikkas shyt blindly

Maybe unity amongst the current generation ain't the biggest problem,maybe the old heads need to stop givin these new dudes credit...the lack of recognition,props given and sumtimes hate from they idols may have been motivation behind the 90's nikkas goin so hard to prove they wuz equal or superior to they idols that came before him....I think rappers respond better to hate than positive reinforcment let's be honest,and I think it shows....I don't think Wale or Jcole is entitled and Wale made sum good points,maybe these old heads need to joine forces and collectivly bring a dose of blind hate back to motivate these nikkas if its not too late....I can't even bleme them for thinkin they great and fans just don't see it.....how can fans sayin they just "ok" compete with they idols and goat level nikkas tellin them they the truth and will be legends?of course we can't tell them shyt.

I always thought older heads bein good mentors and supportive of the new crop would be a good thing...but I'm rethinking my stance,I think I want my old heads less diplomatic and hating on everything new and callin it corny...kinda like how fans of the 90's do here on the-coli..

Truth...

Man I think blind hate would be perfect, except it's a bit too late for guys like Wale, Drake, Kendrick, etc. I think if you woulda gave THESE cats that blind hate then we could've seen some REAL music come out.

Man imagine what Wale would've done if Jay said "man, who? Wale? I think this new crop of mcs need to hone their skills the way we did" that could've made Wale into an almost Tupac obsessive type who LIVED in the studio to prove his idol/mentor wrong...to justify his place. Now a days this nikka woulda quit the rap game if Jay had said something like that.

I also blame the technology/media too. When we (the 27+ cats) were coming up there was no internet(just dial up) there were no blogs, twitter, instagram. Nah artists had more mystique back then. We didn't see how, let's face it, wack some of these cats are. I'm a huge Jay fan, when I was coming up I didn't see nothing about Jay, or Nas, or Big or any of em except what I read in Vibe, Source, XXL or saw on MTv or BET. They had an aura. But now I see these cats tweeting like me, on instagram showing off stupid ish that I feel like artists are on my level minus the money lol.

Now, cats just want to be seen in the strip club throwing wads of cash. That's all they looking for. They wanna be in KOD making money carpets and waiting in line to shake Wayne/Ross hand and get a French Montana shout out and feature they content with that. Instagram single-handedly made a cat like Fabolous lame. We know too much of u man, Jim Jones doing the same thing. Have some privacy about you man, stop making me feel like you're no better than me. That's what artists had back then, u felt they were bigger than life. Now, u likely to be their neighbor

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

@StillNotSoft its a lot of old heads doin that though... and then just getting called haters

So its a catch 22

If nikkas dikkride artists dont try and the music sucks

If nikkas offer constructive criticism, artists ignore them or write them off as haters, and the music STILL sucks.

This generation can't take competition or criticism... nikkas think its fair for fans to be on their dikks just for being alive and famous

What the game needs is a new Pac... a new SMARTER 50.... a young nikka with the catalog and credibility to call it like it is regardless of who doesnt wanna hear it. Old nikkas cant do it cause nobody takes them seriously if theyre not dikkriding. Young nobodies cant do it cause people just take their criticisms as jealousy. A young hot nikka is impervious from dismissal.

 

[Danie84]

I think it's funny how they put themselves in the same air as the legends, and then hang their own self when that "groundbreaking music" comes out

 

[Abstract83]

A lot of gems being dropped in here

 

[10:31]

Get off twitter


Get in the studio and go hard


Its no reason Nas is making untitleds at his age and pushing mainstream rap to new heights but these young acts are running round buying nikes like they just discovered them...


Wale & J.Cole should've dropped Watch The Throne

I don't hear Rick Ross saying, I'm the next Biggie.. This is my "Ready to Die" nikkas would laugh him out of the genre

"I let BIG down"

Get in the studio and push the envelope. Kendrick did that.. The nikka Drake... did that

 

[CashmereThoughts]

Did you see Wale's Power 105 interview 2 weeks ago? He's almost begging for fans to praise his music or at least appreciate it like its a masterpiece


I have never heard Kendrick say such things. Kendrick doesn't come across like hes feeling himself.

Excuse me Wale Attention Defecit, Ambition are OK albums. Stop throwing around Nas and Jay-Zs name like its Fat Trels

Wale come off like a bytch in every interview.